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Offices of the Imperial Head of State
- Nominated by: Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 22:35, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
- Nomination comments:Moved up from WP:CAN
(5 ACs/0 Users/5 Total)
Support
Good job working through those objections. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 02:59, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks! :)
Thanks for humoring me. CC7567 (talk) 02:23, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Always a pleasure. :P
Kilson(Let's have a chat) 20:29, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:26, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 18:52, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
Object
Jujiggum
Various mood/tense issues. Try to avoid the subjunctive, which doesn't state things as facts; it states things as they may or may not be—the subjunctive expresses wishes, opinions, possibilities, and potential future events, but not specific past events, and therefore it should be avoided in article prose.- Does this look any better now that I moved some stuff around?Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 18:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- The main problems are the usages of words like "could" or "would" that are indefinite and don't grammatically actually state that something did or did not in fact occur. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 18:59, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 19:40, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Good job. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 15:33, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks.Cal Jedi
- The main problems are the usages of words like "could" or "would" that are indefinite and don't grammatically actually state that something did or did not in fact occur. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 18:59, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Does this look any better now that I moved some stuff around?Cal Jedi
The history section has too much coontext that has absolutely nothing to do with the offices.- downsizedCal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 18:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- downsizedCal Jedi
Also in the history section, you make it sound like Jaina broke off their engagement because Jag couldn't get Tahiri a good enough lawyer, which is not the case at all. Her reasons for breaking off their engagement had nothing to do with Tahiri's trial.- Left out the part about Tahiri now. Thought it probably wasn't very relevant to this article.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 18:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Left out the part about Tahiri now. Thought it probably wasn't very relevant to this article.Cal Jedi
Can you find one or two relevant quotes to put in the main body sections?- Added one for the history section.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 18:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Added one for the history section.Cal Jedi
Remember to use the last names of people after their first mention, not the first.- Right, got it.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 18:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Right, got it.Cal Jedi
Why do you mention the alternate title of "Residence" in the intro, but not "Quarters"? Also, this is current intro-exclusive information, which is not allowed. Remember that nothing in the intro is sourced, because everything in the intro is supposed to appear in the main body, and so sourcing the intro would be redundant. However, if you leave information in the intro out of the main body, then that information is completely unsourced.- How does this look?Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 18:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- How does this look?Cal Jedi
Please use a structure infobox instead of a generic location infobox.- Oops! Sorry. Got it now.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 18:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Oops! Sorry. Got it now.Cal Jedi
- Possibly more to come. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:40, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
In the intro you label it "Quarters of the Imperial Head of State," but in the description and BTS you call it "Quarters of the Galactic Empire Head of State." Which is correct?Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 18:59, June 16, 2011 (UTC)- Oops!Ha-ha! Messed up there.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 19:40, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Oops!Ha-ha! Messed up there.Cal Jedi
Perhaps it's worth a mention that he had aides nearby, just outside the offices?- Got it in the description section.
Continuing that line of thought—in the history section's quote you mention a secretary for the offices. Why don't you mention that secretary anywhere else in the article?Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 15:33, June 17, 2011 (UTC)- Mentioned the secretary in the history section now.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 16:10, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Could we get a link for this character? Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:01, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Added page and link.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 23:20, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Added page and link.Cal Jedi
- Could we get a link for this character? Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:01, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Mentioned the secretary in the history section now.Cal Jedi
Attack of the Clone
Just one really minor one: in the infobox, is "Galactic Empire" interchangeable with "Imperial Remnant"? The only reason I ask is because you use "Imperial Remnant" throughout the rest of the article when referring to everything related to Fel and the Imperials, yet in the infobox it's different. Please clarify. Good work otherwise.CC7567 (talk) 23:38, June 23, 2011 (UTC)- That was already brought up when it was under WP:CAN. But, I see what you mean, and according to what was decided in the comprehensive objections, I changed it to Galactic Empire in the article. Thanks for the review!!Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 01:22, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm. Well, the thing is that even though it may get called the Galactic Empire (by Fel, at least), it still sounds like all other sources (and all other Wookieepedia articles, even though they're not sources) are saying the Imperial Remnant. Is there any way for you to verify that it was the Empire or the Remnant, one way or the other? I know that Jagged Fel is calling it the Empire, but if that's just him, than it may simply be just that—him simply trying to extend the Remnant's power, at least in name. If you need help with this, you might consider consulting Jonjedigrandmaster or someone else who's also knowledgeable in the Legacy era, since I'm definitely not. CC7567 (talk) 01:42, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I see what you mean, but have you looked at the link to the Comprehensive objections yet? If not I would suggest that you look at that since this was already covered there. The outcome was to call it the Galactic Empire. But I'll ask someone else just to make sure.Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 02:13, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've looked at the CAN page, and that's the reason I asked. CC7567 (talk) 02:14, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Apologies for intervening, but canonically it's the Imperial Remnant. Jag insists that they call it the Empire as what seems to be a sort of stint to make it seem stronger to both its own members and its potential enemies, but for all literal canonical purposes, it's still the Remnant. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 02:17, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- OK got it. Thanks. Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 02:21, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- OK got it. Thanks. Cal Jedi
- Apologies for intervening, but canonically it's the Imperial Remnant. Jag insists that they call it the Empire as what seems to be a sort of stint to make it seem stronger to both its own members and its potential enemies, but for all literal canonical purposes, it's still the Remnant. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 02:17, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've looked at the CAN page, and that's the reason I asked. CC7567 (talk) 02:14, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I see what you mean, but have you looked at the link to the Comprehensive objections yet? If not I would suggest that you look at that since this was already covered there. The outcome was to call it the Galactic Empire. But I'll ask someone else just to make sure.Cal Jedi
- Hmm. Well, the thing is that even though it may get called the Galactic Empire (by Fel, at least), it still sounds like all other sources (and all other Wookieepedia articles, even though they're not sources) are saying the Imperial Remnant. Is there any way for you to verify that it was the Empire or the Remnant, one way or the other? I know that Jagged Fel is calling it the Empire, but if that's just him, than it may simply be just that—him simply trying to extend the Remnant's power, at least in name. If you need help with this, you might consider consulting Jonjedigrandmaster or someone else who's also knowledgeable in the Legacy era, since I'm definitely not. CC7567 (talk) 01:42, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- That was already brought up when it was under WP:CAN. But, I see what you mean, and according to what was decided in the comprehensive objections, I changed it to Galactic Empire in the article. Thanks for the review!!Cal Jedi
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 18:52, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Here's link to said CA nomination. –Tm_T (Talk) 05:03, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks Tm! :PCal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 20:02, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks Tm! :PCal Jedi
- Just for my clarification, one of the listed sources, presumably Allies, literally refers to this as the "Offices of the Imperial Head of State"? Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:34, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. In Fate of the Jedi: Allies it is called the Offices of the Imperial Head of State. Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 21:11, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. In Fate of the Jedi: Allies it is called the Offices of the Imperial Head of State. Cal Jedi