Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Meetra Surik's armband

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Meetra Surik's armband

  • Nominated by: – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 18:20, February 17, 2018 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Back in business

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Support

  1. —Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 07:35, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Object

Tommy
  • Some more links are needed: Color, starship in intro, hyperspace, asteroid, mining, sexes in intro, exile in intro, Peragus Mining Facility in intro.—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 19:16, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done sans "Exile" in the intro, I don't see a natural way to link it, as "the Jedi Exile" is name. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 06:30, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
  • Color parameter in infobox needs to be filled in.—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 19:16, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
  • BTS needs to be fully referenced.—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 19:16, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 06:30, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
      • You still need to source Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords.—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 20:56, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
  • Wouldn't "the asteroids of the Peragus asteroid field" sound better?—Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (TAKE A SEAT) 19:16, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
    • Hmm, you are right, consider it done. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 06:30, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
Jangeth
  • Is there a reason why you're using the same image twice? JangFett (Talk) 03:19, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
    • Because there's no other imagery for it, as those armbands aren't visible in the game whatsoever except in the inventory (pic is from there). I felt not having image in the article text would be bad. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 05:36, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
      • We generally don't repeat an image and if there's only one image depicting the subject, we only use it in the infobox. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 06:37, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
        • Allright thanks, it is goneþ – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 07:08, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
Grunny
  • "Sith assassins of Darth Sion" — This could read as the people who want to or did assassinate Darth Sion, but I assume Darth Sion sent them? If so, might be better as "Sith assassins sent by Darth Sion."
  • I made some edits, please make sure I didn't unintentionally change the meaning of anything you intended. :) grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 06:37, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
    • Those were good edits, thanks. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 16:20, February 24, 2018 (UTC)
  • The infobox says the purpose is "Improved combat abilities," but the article content only mentions improved "constitution," which generally refers to the health/stamina of the person. If the infobox purpose is correct as well, it should be worked into the body of the article. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 14:23, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
    • It gives +1 constitution and that's it, should infobox be reworded? – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 17:03, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I'd reword it, because if it only increases constitution, it doesn't improve combat abilities (at least not directly), so I'd say the infobox is currently inaccurate. So, I'd make that infobox field closer to what is in the description section. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 17:09, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
        • Tried to fix that. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 10:35, March 16, 2018 (UTC)
          • Looks OK, the only thing I wonder is if "Constitution" is the best word to use, or if we have a less game mechanics-type word/phrase we can use instead. For example, is it detailed what specifically "Constitution" refers to in KotOR? In RPGs, it usually refers to a combination of stamina or health, and maybe we can say something along those lines if "Constitution" is defined clearly somewhere in the game. What do you think? grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 17:04, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
            • Constitution indeed is more game mechanics, so I did replace it with "health and reciliency" in the article and then explained it in the Bts. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 17:14, April 4, 2018 (UTC)
              • OK, can that be done in the intro as well for consistency, as that is still using "constitution"? grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 17:38, April 4, 2018 (UTC)
                • Missed it before, fixed. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 09:18, April 15, 2018 (UTC)
                  • It now reads "it provided an increase to her Improved health and resiliency."" so that sentence needs cleaning up. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 05:29, April 18, 2018 (UTC)
  • I think the history section could use more context for the time period and Meetra Surik, something similar to the first paragraph of the history section in Meetra Surik crystal where the time period has context (post–Jedi Civil War) and a very brief reason for her exile is given. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 14:23, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
    • I'll try come up with something not too detaily. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 10:35, March 16, 2018 (UTC)
      • I did some writing, but I ended up putting more than I expected so let me know if this is too much. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 08:47, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
        • Yeah, I think that's probably a little too much, particularly the details of Goto, Kreia, and so forth, and you want to make sure you keep the focus on the topic of the article. Right now, the armband isn't explicitly mentioned in the History section until the last paragraph. My suggestion would be to go back to the previous version as a starting point, and provide a little extra context while keeping the focus on the armband. For example, you could modify the previous version's opening sentence to be something similar to (not familiar enough with source material to know if this is all accurate): "In 3951 BBY, at the height of the Dark Wars, Human Jedi Knight Meetra Surik returned to Republic space after her exile to the Unknown Regions for defying the Jedi Council's wishes during the Mandalorian Wars. She was taken as a passenger on the Republic Hammerhead-class cruiser Harbinger, with her armband among the possessions she kept in her cabin aboard the ship." What do you think? grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 17:04, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
          • Yours was pretty good as is, so I slotted it in. Indeed that's much more compact and sane that way. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 17:14, April 4, 2018 (UTC)
  • "who was also known as the Jedi Exile" — this is currently intro-exclusive information, so should be worked into the body (or cut).
    • More I thought of it, less point I saw to have that in the intro anymore, so now it's gone. Her exile is mentioned in the history section and I think that suffice for the "jedi exile" context.
  • Looking at the article for Dark Wars, it looks like the name "Dark Wars" cannot be sourced to KotOR II. Should the ref for the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide be move to after "Dark Wars," assuming that source can be used for the name of the time period?
    • Indeed, fixed.
  • "it could be worn on either hand" — just checking, since it's an "armband," should that read "could be worn on either arm"? grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 17:38, April 4, 2018 (UTC)
    • Brainfart, I fixored that. – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:~$ 08:46, April 15, 2018 (UTC)
  • On the same track as the Dark Wars objection, is the fact that she's Human actually able to be referenced to KotOR II, or would that also need to be covered by the ref for the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide? grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 05:29, April 18, 2018 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Leaving this same objection here and for the crystal nomination. I'm to understand that the game's "official" name for the player-character, assuming the player doesn't choose their own customized name, is "the Exile." Not "Jedi Exile" or "Meetra Surik," both of which came later. Therefore, the article name for this subject should be exactly what the game would call the subject by default, which would be [[The Exile's Band]], according to the referenced game files: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords dialogue file, StrRef 125630, 125687, 126926: "{c01}<FullName>'s Band" That would be the official, non-conjectural name for this armband. We shouldn't be applying revisionary logic to name this subject, because the name "Meetra Surik" never applied to this game, only "the Exile" did, so that should be how we name it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:30, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Unaddressed objections more than 10 days old. Imperators II(Talk) 07:09, April 29, 2018 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:10, April 29, 2018 (UTC)
  3. ACvote 10 days is 10 days. 1358 (Talk) 10:38, April 29, 2018 (UTC)