Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Kep-She/Legends (second nomination)

< Wookieepedia:Good article nominations
The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a Good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Kep-She

  • Nominated by: Eddiebox28 (talk) 14:54, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:


Support

  1. Good job on your first article! RattsT (talk) 01:44, July 22, 2020 (UTC)
  2. Great work. Braha'tok enthusiast (Hello there) 12:06, August 4, 2020 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Hope to see more articles from you! MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 17:45, September 3, 2020 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Imperators II(Talk) 11:06, September 19, 2020 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Tommy-Macaroni 20:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Object

Braha'tok enthusiast
  • Does the second part of the intro need to go into so much detail when it's more about Trench, Yularen and Skywalker? It would be better to simplify it, for example saying that Trench battled Skywalker's forces multiple times until he was killed in the Battle of Anaxes.
  • Following on from above, the legacy could do with some trimming too to avoid going into too much detail on actions between solely Trench, Yularen and Skywalker. Braha'tok enthusiast (Hello there) 21:44, July 6, 2020 (UTC)
Ratts
  • Per the Manual of Style, "Do not use the plural pronouns "they," "them," or "their" to refer to individuals of unspecified gender."
    • Done. I've used Kep-She in place of pronouns. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 14:22, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Where is it stated that the Corporate Alliance participated in the battle?
    • I've looked at relevant pages and actually can't seem to find a decent source beyond Yularen's line about a "corporate fleet". I don't think that's enough so I've removed all mention of the Alliance. The mentions do still appear on other articles however. Thanks for the spot. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 14:22, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • "Kep-She led a second taskforce to the planet…" this is not stated in the episode nor its guide. To my knowledge no source states Malastare Narrows is a planet or even on Malastare.
    • Fixed the second taskforce bit, confusion on my end. As for the Malastare part: in Yularen's explanation of the battle in the episode, he begins with the overview of "A corporate fleet was blockading Malastare." In the article, I've made sure to address the battle as having taken place over the planet, not on it. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 14:22, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
      • Whoops, missed Yularen's line. I still don't think you should say Kep-She led a force "to the planet," as that could imply fighting took place on the ground, which we don't know. RattsT (talk) 21:13, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • 22 BBY and 19 BBY cannot be sourced to the Clone Wars episodes, you'll need to provide a date note.
    • Done. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 14:22, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
      • Actually, since Galactic Atlas dates the Battle of Christophsis to 22 BBY, you can just cite the book instead of having the note. The 19 BBY note should remain though. RattsT (talk) 21:13, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Most of the legacy has little to actually do with Kep-She.
  • The UK air date should be sourced using {{WebCite}}.
    • The source for the UK air date appears to be dead. I can't find a decent source, so I've removed the information and instead only listed the US air date. The UK source was acquired from the Cat and Mouse page but I must've forgotten to check it recently. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 14:22, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • You should specify that the episode aired first in the UK and then later in the US, the date of which can be sourced to its original episode guide.
  • Going off of the previous note, Kep-She was first named in that guide, which should be noted and included in Sources with a {{1stID}} tag. RattsT (talk) 06:15, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
UberSoldat
  • In relation to Ben's objection, I think it's better if you briefly mention Trench's death at Anaxes and the year it took place. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 15:54, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • The intro is way too detailed, please trim the extraneous information. It should mostly cover Kep-She, with only a brief mention of what happened afterwards.
    • Done. Should I include a mention of Trench's defeat or is it unnecessary? --Eddiebox28 (talk) 17:58, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
      • No need. What you have right now looks fine. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:36, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • With only two paragraphs in the biography, there's isn't room for sub-sectioning.
  • Similarly, removing the sub-sections would only leave space for one image.
    • Also done. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 17:58, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
      • Can you also resize the image and modify the caption so that it's from Kep-She's perspective? It looks really small currently. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:36, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Please change all instances of "taskforce" to "task force," which is what's used in the episode.
  • There is some underlinking throughout the intro and body (e.g. fleet, death). UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:22, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • Kep-She's task force and Trench's fleet can both have articles of their own.
  • Can you combine the first two sentences? It's unnecessary to say a character "lived" during an era. You can just say the individual joined the Order and became a Master before the war.
  • Saying Kep-She attained the rank of Master in "Powers and abilities" looks out of place. Also the episode guide doesn't really mention anything about competency. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:36, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. I had assumed that Kep-She would have to be competent, given her rank. I wonder if I should perhaps remove the "Powers and abilities" section altogether? --Eddiebox28 (talk) 15:59, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
      • I reworded it so that it's specific to the character. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:30, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
  • I don't believe Cat and Mouse refers to Malastare as a "planet," so you will need to source that info separately. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:30, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
    • Is the quote from the episode: "A corporate fleet was blockading Malastare." not enough? It also repeats this information in the episode guide gallery. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 20:45, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
      • No, you need to source the word "planet" to something else, because the episode doesn't call it a planet. Malastare could be a moon, a gas giant, or anything else. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 20:59, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
        • All sources that I can find repeat the statement that a "corporate fleet blockaded Malastare". In all articles that refer to the Battle of Malastare Narrows, the line from the episode is sourced. Surely the episode is enough of a source, as Yularen must be referring to the planet. In the episode Missing in Action, Colonel Gascon utters the remark: "there's no way in Malachor" and we assume that he is referring to the planet. If the line was "a corporate fleet blockaded Tatooine," we would source that line, so surely that precedent applies here? Sorry if this comes off as aggressive, that's not my intent at all. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 15:10, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
          • Not at all. You should look at other status articles to see what I mean (e.g. see how Coruscant is referenced in Xonr), because I don't believe you understand the objection above. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:08, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
            • Oh, I see. My apologies! I think I understand what you mean now. You wanted me to reference the fact that Malastare is a planet, not that Yularen was referring to Malastare: the planet. That was a misunderstanding on my part. I think I've referenced it correctly now, thanks. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 18:36, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
              • Good work, but you now have a duplicate reference after Malastare. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:39, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
  • Context for Yularen in the intro. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 11:58, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • Ref 8 needs to implement {{FFCite}} or use another source. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:11, September 3, 2020 (UTC)
  • The first instance of 22 BBY is not sourced correctly. It requires a note. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 19:58, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
    • There we go. Should be good now. However, I am starting to doubt the validity of this date. It starts with "Years ago," but does not directly follow it up with "...before the Clone Wars." It does shortly after mention that Yularen recognized Trench's tactics "during the Clone Wars" two sentences on and so I did slightly infer my information from that. I think it's safe to say that the "Years ago" is referring to the Clone Wars but there is a slight chance that this isn't the case. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 17:03, October 1, 2020 (UTC)
      • I've edited it to remove any mention of "years." UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 17:12, October 1, 2020 (UTC)
        • Thanks. Is the note okay, Shay? You didn't strikethrough. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 17:37, October 7, 2020 (UTC)
          • Yeah looks good now, sorry for the delay. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:34, October 9, 2020 (UTC)
OOM
  • "[…] which first aired in the US on March 26, 2010." There's no need to mention where the episode was first aired per precedent. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 06:13, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
    • Ah, gotcha. The problem is that the episode apparently first aired in the UK but the previous reference for that information is now a dead link. Edit: I have just found out that IMDB lists the UK air date and that it actually aired in Canada first. Can I source the air date from IMDB? --Eddiebox28 (talk) 15:10, July 18, 2020 (UTC)
      • No. Similar to Wikipedia, IMDB is a crowd-sourced site, which means we can't use it as a source. On the TCW air date, the US one should be used, so there's no need to change anything aside from deleting the US mention. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 03:30, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
        • Done. Thanks for the clarification! --Eddiebox28 (talk) 17:27, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
  • Gotta say, nice work on your first GAN. Hope to see more from you! Just a couple things:
  • Could we get some context for Trench and the blockade in the intro? I'd suggest the wording "the Harch Admiral Trench's corporate blockade," but exact wording is up to you.
    • Done. Your wording seemed the most condensed and appropriate way to put it, so I've used your suggestion. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 17:35, September 3, 2020 (UTC)
  • I think it would be beneficial to note Trench's reputation for being a cunning strategist in the "Personality and traits" section, as that would help show how impressive Kep-She's skills must have been to defeat him. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 17:00, September 3, 2020 (UTC)
    • Also done. Thanks for the compliment, means a lot coming from the leader of Project:Stardust! --Eddiebox28 (talk) 17:35, September 3, 2020 (UTC)
Tommy
  • Ranks attached to an individual's name should be capitalised: "Republic admiral Wullf Yularen."
    • Sorry to interject here, but that rank is also exclusively mentioned in the intro. Imperators II(Talk) 16:03, September 19, 2020 (UTC)
      • Done and done. Cheers guys! --Eddiebox28 (talk) 19:52, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
  • Wookieepedia:Manual of Style#Formatting: "Do not separate compound terms upon first linking instance (examples: [[Battle of Hoth]], not [[Battle of Hoth|Battle of]] [[Hoth]]; [[YT-1300 light freighter]], not [[YT-1300 light freighter|YT-1300]] [[light freighter]])." This is in regard to "Separatist navy" in the intro.
  • Can we get a timeframe for the Battle of Malastare Narrows? The body currently only says Kep-She joined the Jedi and got the rank of Master prior to the Clone Wars.
  • Personally, I don't think the bit about Trench surviving again is relevant to Kep-She, especially seeing as it's contributing another ref note to the article.
    • I've trimmed it. Is that better or should I remove it entirely? --Eddiebox28 (talk) 19:52, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
      • A little tidbit like that should be fine. Tommy-Macaroni 21:58, October 19, 2020 (UTC)
  • I think it'd be best to remove the mention that TCW is "canon" in the BTS, as it's both canon and Legends.
    • Fair enough. Done. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 19:52, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
  • Not an objection, but it'd be nice to see a audio file for the top quote, if only for consistency's sake. Tommy-Macaroni 15:19, September 19, 2020 (UTC)
    • Agreed but unfortunately I'm not that experienced when it comes to ".ogg" files. The audio clip does exist as part of another recording on the wiki, but the extraneous information would require an edit to trim it down. Where can I go about uploading an audio clip? --Eddiebox28 (talk) 19:52, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
      • I recommend downloading a program like Audacity or MixPad Multitrack Recorder to trim audio, and then use an online audio converter to make it an ogg file.
        • I've created the .ogg file but I got an Upload error. I meet all the criteria to upload and have uploaded stuff before. Might be an issue with UCP. I wondered if perhaps you could upload it if I sent it to you over Discord or something like that? Not sure if that's against nomination policy or not lol. --Eddiebox28 (talk) 23:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
          • I wouldn't worry about it, as I said earlier, audio files aren't required for a status article. We've recently moved to a new platform called UCP, which is creating a boatload of new bugs, one of the most significant being users unable to upload. I'm sure it'll be fixed, it may just take a little while. Tommy-Macaroni 20:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Ref 4 appears to have some extraneous information. If Galactic Atlas states the Clone Wars started in 22 BBY, then you can just use that and remove all mention of Cat and Mouse. Tommy-Macaroni 21:58, October 19, 2020 (UTC)

Comments

  • Welcome to the GAN, Eddiebox28. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:53, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
    • Thanks! Looking forward to getting a feel for the process! --Eddiebox28 (talk) 14:22, July 7, 2020 (UTC)

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 20:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)