Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/K-3PO

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K-3PO

  • Nominated by: Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 03:47, September 14, 2017 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:

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Support

Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:54, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Object

Ayrehead
  • Could you actually mention the Empire by name somewhere in the body rather than just pipe linking. Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:21, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
  • I think the article should include a little more information about its destruction since we know what point it had been destroyed by and that it was caught in debris in the control room. Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:21, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
    • I'll expand upon this section as soon as I get a new monitor for my XBOX, which currently serves as my Blu-ray player, so I can rewatch the battle. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:57, September 16, 2017 (UTC)
  • Would the rank of captain mean that it's part of the Alliance military? Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:21, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
  • Can the term photoreceptors be sourced to the film? Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:25, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
    • Changed to Visual Encyclopedia. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 04:37, October 1, 2017 (UTC)
  • It turns out that K-3PO actually plays a notable role in Disney Infinity, some of which I've found here. You should include a brief summary and a quote in the BTS. Ayrehead02 (talk) 08:54, October 1, 2017 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
  • Aaaaaah, the image caption punctuation.
  • "Manufactured by Cybot Galactica,[3] by the year 3 ABY,[1] K-3PO[4] served as a captain[7]" Ok, there's too much commas here. Did you mean to say he was manufactured by 3 ABY or that he served as a captain by 3 ABY?
  • The GCW is neither mentioned nor linked in the body.
  • I don't think you can source "Hutt crime lord" to ESB.
  • "However, K-3PO did not survive the battle, and was destroyed by falling debris when the command center sustained damage from enemy fire." The usage of ", and was" implies his (lack of) survival and destruction were two different events. However, the (lack of) survival is a result of the "destroyed by" so you'll need to connect this better.
  • The Bts needs to be rewritten so that the Canon appearances are presented first or at least earlier on than they are right now.
    • I'm not sure how to rework this, since the droid was created for a later source and then retconned into the movie. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:54, September 26, 2017 (UTC)
      • As I'm interpreting it, his appearances in Canon haven't really been retconned, have they? It appeared, albeit unnamed, in ESB, and was named in "Absolutely Everything You Need to Know". The Legends discrepancy and retcon can be covered after his Canon appearances.
        • How would you phrase it then? He didn't really first appear there, wasn't created for TESB, etc. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 04:46, October 1, 2017 (UTC)
          • Maybe something like "K-3PO's first appearance in SW canon was in TESB, and he received a name in blahblah. [paragraph break] <info about Legends discrepancy and retcon>"? 1358 (Talk) 21:35, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
            • Added; change as you see fit. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 04:34, October 9, 2017 (UTC)
  • We seem to have a citation template, {{ForceCollection}} for Force Collection.
  • I think there are more applicable categories than what you have right now, at least one for captains (maybe per faction?) and there might exist a generic one for Rebel officers.
  • One would wonder why anyone would promote a protocol droid to the high rank of captain, but Canon is Canon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1358 (Talk) 18:42, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
    • IIRC, he was only a lieutenant in Legends, but I'm going off the rank pips. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 19:10, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
      • Yeah it's not an objection, just complaining about Canon. :P 1358 (Talk) 19:21, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • I am objecting to the article's assertion that K-3PO held the rank of captain. Given the current available source material, this is nothing more than extrapolation based on unrelated evidence. You don't know that those are command pips or, even if they are, what they might mean for a droid. It could be nothing more than a badge of honor or an indication that he held some authority over other droids at Echo Base. Should a canon source come along and say he's a captain, then, by all means we can correct this article. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:33, October 2, 2017 (UTC)
    • I really don't think your argument that the evidence is unrelated holds any water. The droid is a member of Rebel Alliance with rank pips, rank pips whose function has been defined in now multiple canonical sources. To my knowledge, we have NO indication that that K-3PO had anything to do with coordinating Echo Base's droid pool (that's purely Legends) or that they just happen to be there. We've used this method to indicated rank before; I see no reason why this should be the exception. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 03:38, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

Comments

  • Did you check StarWars.com for anything that might include K-3PO? I know the Legends article doesn't include anything from the outdated Encyclopedia or the ESB parent page, and I most likely had checked that stuff and confirmed he isn't there before they went offline, but what about any of the current stuff on that website? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:12, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
  • Regarding his captain rank, I do notice that the Legends page doesn't treat him as any confirmed formally commissioned officer, despite how in that continuity those pips are also indicative of captain rank. That article only cites the old Databank formally noting him having command insignia. Should canon be treated any differently from Legends, or alternatively should the Legends article also treat him as a captain based on visual evidence? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 06:29, September 30, 2017 (UTC)
    • I'm just going by what evidence we have in canon, especially since there's nothing contradictory about K-3PO's rank in this continuity. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 04:39, October 1, 2017 (UTC)
      • FWIW, since I wrote the Legends version, I always sort of interpreted those command pips as being related to the fact that he was in charge of the Echo Base droid pool, not necessarily that he formally held the rank of captain. Like, it was a way for droids to recognize his authority. Since nothing actually said he was an officer or a captain, I didn't assert as much, nor do I think this article should. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:10, October 2, 2017 (UTC)
        • With all due respect, I don't really that that what Legends did or didn't do is relevant here. Canonically, we know that those pips mean and it would be speculation to not include that info based on Legends info. Should a canon source come along and say he's not a captain, then, by all means we can correct this article. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:27, October 2, 2017 (UTC)
          • Oh, not a problem. I'll be glad to make a formal objection out of it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:33, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Idle objection more than two weeks old. Imperators II(Talk) 17:56, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Exiled Jedi (talk) 17:58, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Womp. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 18:06, October 15, 2017 (UTC)