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Funeral of Anakin Skywalker
- Nominated by: Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:37, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Second canon nomination! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:37, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)
Support
- Sorry that this took so long. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:48, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
- Looking good! Nivlacanator (talk) 20:29, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 02:17, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
Cade 
Calrayn 19:51, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:27, September 25, 2014 (UTC)
Object
Lee's charge
Intro: Context needed for Kenobi, Yoda, Endor and the Ewoks.- Added to intro and body. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:28, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
No head quote?- There are no quotes about the funeral in Return of the Jedi. Any suggestions? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:28, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
- Meh, I thought there was one, but that was the novel. That really sucks... Clone Commander Lee Talk 14:51, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
- There are no quotes about the funeral in Return of the Jedi. Any suggestions? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:28, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
You have two redirects in the article, please kill them. More to come.Clone Commander Lee Talk 12:07, July 21, 2014 (UTC)- I found one, but don't see a second. Can you point it out? In the future, pointing them out up front would be very helpful for anyone whose nomination you're reviewing, rather than making them search through every link on the page. It's a time saver for everyone. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:28, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Howard G. Kazanjian.BTW you can make your redirects be in orange by editing your preferences. Clone Commander Lee Talk 14:51, July 21, 2014 (UTC)- Thanks. Fixed. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:53, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
It's generally discouraged to have any links in the bolded part of the intro. Please try reworking this.1358 (Talk) 21:11, August 17, 2014 (UTC)- How's this? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:05, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
Floyd
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but is there anywhere in a canon source where it's called the "Death Star II"?- The Databank. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:37, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
I'd also like a touch of context on the Death Star in the intro. Just saying it was a space station or a superweapon or something should suffice. Same thing in the body.- I actually missed the part where you say it's a "space station" in the intro, but my objection stands regarding the body of the article. IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 01:53, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
- Done. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:27, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
- I actually missed the part where you say it's a "space station" in the intro, but my objection stands regarding the body of the article. IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 01:53, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
"Once on Endor, Luke built a funeral pyre and lit his father's armor on fire." He also lights the body as well, correct?IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 05:04, August 28, 2014 (UTC)- All we know is that the armor was burned. That's part of the update I mentioned in the comments section (which I still need to do). The Databank makes reference to burning "remains" and, on one page, more specifically "armor." I'm leaving it somewhat vague since we don't know for sure, but Lucasfilm—per George Lucas—has treated it as just his armor for the last 10 years. On the DVD commentary for Jedi, Lucas specifically said that Anakin's body disappeared on the Death Star. Not sure if we can treat that as canon, though, hence the vague text. Better to be safe than sorry. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:37, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
- .......do the update then. :P IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 01:53, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
- I'll be doing that today. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:30, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
- This is done. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:27, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
- Star Wars in 100 Scenes explicitly states that Anakin's body disappeared and the armor was empty. The page has been updated to reflect this. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 13:00, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
- This is done. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:27, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
- I'll be doing that today. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:30, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
- .......do the update then. :P IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 01:53, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
- All we know is that the armor was burned. That's part of the update I mentioned in the comments section (which I still need to do). The Databank makes reference to burning "remains" and, on one page, more specifically "armor." I'm leaving it somewhat vague since we don't know for sure, but Lucasfilm—per George Lucas—has treated it as just his armor for the last 10 years. On the DVD commentary for Jedi, Lucas specifically said that Anakin's body disappeared on the Death Star. Not sure if we can treat that as canon, though, hence the vague text. Better to be safe than sorry. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:37, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
Winterz
What..nothing on Anakin appearing as his younger self and the fact that this was changed in recent modifications (on the Bts and body)?Winterz (talk) 22:32, September 2, 2014 (UTC)- I'd ask two questions about that. One, is that relevant to the funeral scene, since that took place after the funeral? Two, is that relevant to canon, where—strictly speaking—the Hayden version is the only one that existed? Not sure what you mean by "body" either since that info wouldn't go into the in-universe section. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:38, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
- When you mention that the spirit of Anakin appeared you should note that it was his younger self seeing that even canonically speaking, Anakin didn't look like that when he died and since you're already putting that in the body, the whole explanation as to Hayden appearing and so should also receive some note on the Behind the scenes section. Winterz (talk) 22:50, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
- I added a bit in the Aftermath about Anakin appearing as a younger spirit. However, as Tope also agreed with on IRC, the Shaw/Christensen bit is irrelevant. That was all prior to April 25th, and thus has no bearing on this particular canon page. That would be relevant to pages like Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, Anakin Skywalker, or Force spirit, but not this one. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:04, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
- When you mention that the spirit of Anakin appeared you should note that it was his younger self seeing that even canonically speaking, Anakin didn't look like that when he died and since you're already putting that in the body, the whole explanation as to Hayden appearing and so should also receive some note on the Behind the scenes section. Winterz (talk) 22:50, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
- I'd ask two questions about that. One, is that relevant to the funeral scene, since that took place after the funeral? Two, is that relevant to canon, where—strictly speaking—the Hayden version is the only one that existed? Not sure what you mean by "body" either since that info wouldn't go into the in-universe section. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:38, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
Nivlacanator
In the second paragraph it does sound a little funny: "Luke escaped the Death Star II, where Anakin had died, just before the space station was destroyed by the Rebel Alliance during the battle. Once on Endor, Luke built a funeral pyre and lit his father's armor on fire." It may be a little bit of a run on sentence. And should it be "the second Death Star" not "Death Star II"?Nivlacanator (talk) 20:33, September 3, 2014 (UTC)- Objection(s) overridden by AgriCorps 01:45, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
- It's two sentences, so how could it be a run-on sentence? Additionally, as I indicated above, the Star Wars.com Databank says Death Star II. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:57, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
Cadeth
What NuCanon source identifies Vader as a Dark Lord of the Sith? Is that explicitly stated in the movie? Cade Calrayn 18:54, September 9, 2014 (UTC)- The Databank. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:32, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
Toprawa
Intro objections: Redlinks to be filled in.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:42, September 24, 2014 (UTC)Body objections: The reference to the shuttle that Luke and Vader escape aboard should be pipelinked to a new Canon article for the Lambda-class shuttle, which is yet to be created: "Luke attempted to save Anakin by bringing him to a shuttle"Several additional redlinks in the body, so please make sure the article is under the limit. I checked to make sure they were all legitimate creations based on our Notability policy, except for Vader's armor, which you might need to check some sources to see if there's a name for it exactly. Same for reactor core; it might only need to be at "reactor"; not entirely sure.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:04, September 24, 2014 (UTC)- This video uses the name "Reactor Core" so that works for me. Regarding Vader's armor, I can't find anything that specifically identifies it as "Darth Vader's armor." Sources just refer to armor, with different descriptors. How would you like me to proceed? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:39, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 01:27, September 25, 2014 (UTC)
FYI to anyone who may review this soon: looks like the SW.com Databank has been updated with more specific information that requires an update to this page. I will be making those changes here soon. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:24, August 16, 2014 (UTC)- Doesn't The Making of Return of the Jedi count as only a Legends source? Per this CT thread, the consensus was that the pre-Legends announcement OOU sources that provide only BTS info are still to be counted as Legends sources no different from the ones that actually had
canonLegends info. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:18, September 8, 2014 (UTC)- That CT makes very little sense. If we're going to count The Making of Return of the Jedi as acceptable to use in the BTS of this page, which it needs to be in order to properly document information about this subject, it seems contradictory that it wouldn't also appear in the Sources section. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:28, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
- The referencing in BTS is valid, but that does not automatically equal it being a Canon source. Take the Canon article Jerjerrod's BTS citing some stuff from Legends sources, which are still left out of the sourcelist because they don't belong in there. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:14, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
- Legends is a brand that refers to now-non-canon Star Wars stories. We shouldn't be applying that to reference books that simply document real-world information, because that's not what the official Legends brand is meant for. I'm going to wait for some second opinions here, because considering The Making of Return of the Jedi a Legends source is, in my opinion, blatantly wrong. It's neither Canon nor Legends. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:24, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
- Tbh I would still agree with your opinion, but that CT had the majority consensus of treat as Legends, and that became site policy. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 15:24, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
- Legends is a brand that refers to now-non-canon Star Wars stories. We shouldn't be applying that to reference books that simply document real-world information, because that's not what the official Legends brand is meant for. I'm going to wait for some second opinions here, because considering The Making of Return of the Jedi a Legends source is, in my opinion, blatantly wrong. It's neither Canon nor Legends. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:24, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
- The referencing in BTS is valid, but that does not automatically equal it being a Canon source. Take the Canon article Jerjerrod's BTS citing some stuff from Legends sources, which are still left out of the sourcelist because they don't belong in there. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:14, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
- That CT makes very little sense. If we're going to count The Making of Return of the Jedi as acceptable to use in the BTS of this page, which it needs to be in order to properly document information about this subject, it seems contradictory that it wouldn't also appear in the Sources section. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:28, September 8, 2014 (UTC)