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Foreign Affairs scandal
- Nominated by: Stake black msg 21:35, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Yay.
(0 ACs/1 Users/1 Total)
Support
- Clone Commander Lee Talk 19:56, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
Object
Lee's attack
Could you add a short intro.Context for Plagueis and Theed.Isnt' Amidala also a participant (Infobox)?Is NOTOC really needed?- Interesting stuff. Clone Commander Lee Talk 20:39, March 22, 2014 (UTC)
- Hey Lee, thanks for the review. An intro is not always necessary, as per rule 7. Also, NOTOC is not being used in the article. Context and Padmé's participation have been added; have a look. Stake black msg 01:56, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
In around 33 BBY: In or around?- Otherwise it looks good. Please remember that one objection to Onderon-mission still needs to addressed. Clone Commander Lee Talk 14:17, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Around. Stake black msg 16:27, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
Jang
Per Rules 4 and 7, please section the article. This isn't the CAN. JangFett (Talk) 13:21, March 24, 2014 (UTC)- Jang, rule 7 states: "…have a proper lead that gives a good summary of the topic if the length of the article supports it. This may not be appropriate on articles with limited content." Splitting such a small article into sections would make it needlessly repetitive. There's no more information on this subject, I'm afraid. Stake black msg 01:46, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Referring to the intro alone. If you look at your content, you have enough information for another section. Try it out. JangFett (Talk) 01:55, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Have a look. Stake black msg 02:51, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Referring to the intro alone. If you look at your content, you have enough information for another section. Try it out. JangFett (Talk) 01:55, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Jang, rule 7 states: "…have a proper lead that gives a good summary of the topic if the length of the article supports it. This may not be appropriate on articles with limited content." Splitting such a small article into sections would make it needlessly repetitive. There's no more information on this subject, I'm afraid. Stake black msg 01:46, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
Thunderforge
The Behind the Scenes section says that "the events described in A Summer's Dream were later included in later canonical works" (plural), but there is only one appearance for it and one source, which is an indirect mention. Could you please address this? -Thunderforge (talk) 02:14, April 5, 2014 (UTC)- The scandal is only mentioned in Secrets of Naboo, but the actual story of the comic has been referenced in SoN and Star Wars: Darth Plagueis, that I know. Stake black msg 02:34, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
- I guess I'm not quite convinced, from the article alone, that Secrets of Naboo is referring to this event. This article states that Secrets of Naboo "mentioned that Veruna got entangled in 'less-than-noble offworld politics,' referring to the king as corrupt and having a double agenda." This seems too vague to me and doesn't provide any specific information that would link it to the ambiguously canon Tales comic (it could be some other scandal). Are there any other passages within Secrets of Naboo that could be linked to this scandal? -Thunderforge (talk) 04:53, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
- You're right, but the phrasing is so vague that even it if wasn't mentioning any event in particular, it could be used for any foreign policy scandals. "Less-than-noble offworld politics" refers to his general conduction of foreign affairs, which was the source of the scandal. Seems a no-brainer. Stake black msg 12:37, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
- While I agree that "less-than-noble offworld politics" would fit as the source of the scandal, I don't think that the fact that it fits proves that the scandal itself is canon. As you said, the statement could be referring to any foreign policy scandal, but since it doesn't provide any further information linking to this particular scandal, I don't think that it raises the event in the Tales comic from ambiguously canon to full canon. To provide an alternative example, say that some source later referenced that "Jar Jar Binks' was hated by his father." While that fits with George R. Binks, it's too vague to make the story canon (and the elements within, such as his father's name, the fact that he owned a business, the fact that Jar Jar was trapped on an island, etc.). I think that this event should be marked as ambiguously canon, but I would encourage these supporting events in order to basically say that although these canon events don't specifically reference this ambiguously canon event, they do support it. -Thunderforge (talk) 00:18, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
- See, at least 3 sources that I can recall already confirm the overall story in A Summer's Dream as canon (End Game, Secrets of Naboo, Darth Plagueis). The fact that this fleeting mention of the scandal was not mentioned later on does not make it automatically non-canon. There's no reason to suspect that this would be non-canon if the main story was deemed canon, and in fact I'd be surprised if this sort of suspicion was ever previously raised here on the Wook. This confirmation by later sources is mainly just to sort silly comics like What They Called Me from the more serious ones. On another point, it's worthy of saying that this scandal is described so generically, that no canon source could specifically refer to it, so it seems a demand a bit excessive to make. Stake black msg 03:48, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
- By the way, I found more sources for it. Have a second look. Stake black msg 15:14, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused by the Star Wars Fact Files. What does "AMI1, Padmé Amidala" mean? And is there a reason that they aren't used as references? Right now, they are the only Sources that are not also used as references. -Thunderforge (talk) 23:54, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
- Not every source has to be used as a reference. The Fact Files simply repeat information. "AM1" is the page number. Cade
Calrayn 23:56, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm still not completely convinced that this event is canon rather than ambiguously canon, but I've decided to withdraw my objection. If others have similar objections and can better express them, they're certainly welcome to, but I'm willing to admit that I may have it all wrong. -Thunderforge (talk) 00:37, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
- Not every source has to be used as a reference. The Fact Files simply repeat information. "AM1" is the page number. Cade
- I'm a bit confused by the Star Wars Fact Files. What does "AMI1, Padmé Amidala" mean? And is there a reason that they aren't used as references? Right now, they are the only Sources that are not also used as references. -Thunderforge (talk) 23:54, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
- While I agree that "less-than-noble offworld politics" would fit as the source of the scandal, I don't think that the fact that it fits proves that the scandal itself is canon. As you said, the statement could be referring to any foreign policy scandal, but since it doesn't provide any further information linking to this particular scandal, I don't think that it raises the event in the Tales comic from ambiguously canon to full canon. To provide an alternative example, say that some source later referenced that "Jar Jar Binks' was hated by his father." While that fits with George R. Binks, it's too vague to make the story canon (and the elements within, such as his father's name, the fact that he owned a business, the fact that Jar Jar was trapped on an island, etc.). I think that this event should be marked as ambiguously canon, but I would encourage these supporting events in order to basically say that although these canon events don't specifically reference this ambiguously canon event, they do support it. -Thunderforge (talk) 00:18, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
- You're right, but the phrasing is so vague that even it if wasn't mentioning any event in particular, it could be used for any foreign policy scandals. "Less-than-noble offworld politics" refers to his general conduction of foreign affairs, which was the source of the scandal. Seems a no-brainer. Stake black msg 12:37, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
- I guess I'm not quite convinced, from the article alone, that Secrets of Naboo is referring to this event. This article states that Secrets of Naboo "mentioned that Veruna got entangled in 'less-than-noble offworld politics,' referring to the king as corrupt and having a double agenda." This seems too vague to me and doesn't provide any specific information that would link it to the ambiguously canon Tales comic (it could be some other scandal). Are there any other passages within Secrets of Naboo that could be linked to this scandal? -Thunderforge (talk) 04:53, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
- The scandal is only mentioned in Secrets of Naboo, but the actual story of the comic has been referenced in SoN and Star Wars: Darth Plagueis, that I know. Stake black msg 02:34, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
Cadeth
- Please break up the last History sentence. Cade Calrayn 19:25, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Done. Stake black msg 19:29, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
- After consulting with other users, I think that this needs to adhere to the Layout Guide. The battles section specifically states: "There are some guidelines for the organization of battle and event articles within Wookieepedia." I think sectioning off a Prelude and Aftermath shouldn't be difficult. Cade Calrayn 19:35, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, a prelude section isn't that obvious. Pretty much every appearance Veruna makes in sources refers to him as Amidala's bad predecessor. What would you like to see in a Prelude section, specifically? Stake black msg 14:29, May 8, 2014 (UTC)
Cav
- Why is there an empty "Prelude" section? - Sir Cavalier of One
(Squadron channel) 13:08, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Comments
Vote to remove nomination (AC only)
- Multiple objections past 2 weeks old. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:28, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 22:07, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
- Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 22:07, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
