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Ello Asty
- Nominated by: Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 22:10, August 26, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: This guy is Episode 7's Wes Janson: Ace pilot whos in everything.
(2 ACs/7 Users/9 Total)
Support
Imperators II(Talk) 16:35, August 29, 2016 (UTC)- Nice work, though I'm worried that, since he's confirmed to be mentioned in upcoming sources, the article may need an update. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 18:00, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Great stuff! Lewisr (talk) 01:17, August 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Cevan
(talk) 16:01, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:01, September 3, 2016 (UTC)
IFYLOFD (Talk) 01:39, September 14, 2016 (UTC)- The Brave Goldfish (talk) 15:01, October 19, 2016 (EET)
- Great work!
AnilSerifoglu (talk) 04:05, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
- ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:55, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Imperators II
Per the Background section, shouldn't the first item in the Sources list also have {{1stm}}?Imperators II(Talk) 06:42, August 27, 2016 (UTC)- Well the databank really came out first on Force Friday, but I was generalizing since they were both out before the movie. Do you think I need to make it clearer? And thanks for the copy-edit! Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 14:23, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
- I do believe this should be clarified. If Asty wasn't first revealed in his action figure, then the article shouldn't say so. Imperators II(Talk) 05:43, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Changed up. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 16:28, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Changed up. Corellian Premier
- I do believe this should be clarified. If Asty wasn't first revealed in his action figure, then the article shouldn't say so. Imperators II(Talk) 05:43, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
- Well the databank really came out first on Force Friday, but I was generalizing since they were both out before the movie. Do you think I need to make it clearer? And thanks for the copy-edit! Corellian Premier
AV
Previews from the upcoming book Star Wars: Poe Dameron: Flight Log have clarified that Asty is from Abednedo; this will need to be added to the article. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:19, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I wonder if I'll have this done by November and then have to go back and update it... Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 18:29, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
Cevan
Asty's final words shouldn't be under the 'New Republic service' section. Assuming you still want to include that quote in the article, have it moved to the appropriate section, and, if possible, try to get a quote from Bloodline that's relevant to Asty.Cevan(talk) 16:28, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking it over. Added his sole dialogue from the book there. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 18:29, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking it over. Added his sole dialogue from the book there. Corellian Premier
Is there any chance of getting another image somewhere in the article? Perhaps a behind the scenes image, or a full-body shot of Asty in his flightsuit (such as the one featured in the Abednedo article.Cevan(talk) 00:25, August 30, 2016 (UTC)
- You bet. How about the ones I added? Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 02:43, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- You bet. How about the ones I added? Corellian Premier
Ayrehead
Pablo confirmed on Twitter that Asty's costume was reused for a different Abenedo pilot in the scene following his death where the Resistance waves off Rey. I think this is probably worth mentioning as the post-death appearance might confuse some.Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:05, September 1, 2016 (UTC)- Done. Thanks. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 16:35, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- WP:S rule 10: please provide a screenshot. Imperators II(Talk) 16:54, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- That has been done. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 00:25, September 3, 2016 (UTC)
- That has been done. Corellian Premier
- WP:S rule 10: please provide a screenshot. Imperators II(Talk) 16:54, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks. Corellian Premier
Floyd
I honestly don't think the Bio needs any subsectioning at all. Not long enough.- Ooookaaay. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 15:21, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
- Ooookaaay. Corellian Premier
Connect Starkiller Base and the destruction of Hosnian Prime together.IFYLOFD (Talk) 01:47, September 13, 2016 (UTC)- This has been done. Thanks for looking it over! Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 15:21, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
- This has been done. Thanks for looking it over! Corellian Premier
Toprawa
- Some basic formatting issues:
I would strongly recommend going no further than two or three cascading bullets deep in the infobox's Affiliations field. Wikia skin's very narrow margins make the article's current presentation look terrible. I'd suggest toggling back and forth between skin views to see what I mean. Just stick to his most critical affiliations. Things like "Resistance military" are entirely unimportant here.- I agree. Removed. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Here's a good rule of thumb for this: If the article body isn't mentioning something, don't list it in the infobox. In this case, New Republic military and Starfighter Corps are extraneous. Removing them will help that field look better. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:33, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Two sections each now. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 16:36, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Two sections each now. Corellian Premier
- Here's a good rule of thumb for this: If the article body isn't mentioning something, don't list it in the infobox. In this case, New Republic military and Starfighter Corps are extraneous. Removing them will help that field look better. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:33, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- I agree. Removed. Corellian Premier
The Biography has more than enough space to be subsectioned, which will allow you to use more quotes and images if available. More to the point, this will set you up to use some image in the Bio, which is more important than sticking an image in the P/T if you have to choose between them.- Well, the bio did have a couple short sections. I was asked above to remove them and just have one bio section. You still think I should re-add them? Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't realize another reviewer made this objection. I can talk to him if need be, but yes, I absolutely think you should reintroduce subsectioning. Five paragraphs is a relatively long Bio as far as GAs ago. Anytime a GA goes past three, I typically recommend it. I suspect this is also a case where Wikia skin plays a factor, since formatting between skins can be so radically different. If you toggle to that skin, you'll immediately see the need to divide this section. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:37, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Re-added. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 16:36, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Looks a lot better, but you probably don't need three subsections here. I would recommend turning the last two into a single subsection, which will allow the image to fit a little nicer. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Put down to two. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 15:39, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
- Put down to two. Corellian Premier
- Looks a lot better, but you probably don't need three subsections here. I would recommend turning the last two into a single subsection, which will allow the image to fit a little nicer. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Re-added. Corellian Premier
- I didn't realize another reviewer made this objection. I can talk to him if need be, but yes, I absolutely think you should reintroduce subsectioning. Five paragraphs is a relatively long Bio as far as GAs ago. Anytime a GA goes past three, I typically recommend it. I suspect this is also a case where Wikia skin plays a factor, since formatting between skins can be so radically different. If you toggle to that skin, you'll immediately see the need to divide this section. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:37, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, the bio did have a couple short sections. I was asked above to remove them and just have one bio section. You still think I should re-add them? Corellian Premier
Once the preceding objection is handled, the article will most likely be more aesthetically prepared for a minor expansion to the intro. Two sentences is pretty short for a Bio so long.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:04, September 27, 2016 (UTC)- Sounds good, thanks. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- You should do more to expand the intro. The focus isn't so much how many sentences there are as how many lines of text there are, which is a variable factor depending on the infobox, images, etc. In this case, two or three more lines of text in the intro would do good to complement the Bio aesthetically. The "eye test" applies here. Again, this is all with regards to using Wikia skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Ok, added a couple more sentences. —Unsigned comment by Corellian Premier (talk • contribs)
- You should do more to expand the intro. The focus isn't so much how many sentences there are as how many lines of text there are, which is a variable factor depending on the infobox, images, etc. In this case, two or three more lines of text in the intro would do good to complement the Bio aesthetically. The "eye test" applies here. Again, this is all with regards to using Wikia skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds good, thanks. Corellian Premier
- This article currently clocks in at 1,220 words by my count, which means it's too long for GAN. You're welcome to nominate it for FAN instead. The AC will remove this nomination per procedure shortly. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:52, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Cevan
- I'm not going to add this is an objection since you aren't guaranteed a response, but you may want to try and contact Pablo Hidalgo or someone else who works at Lucasfilm and may know the answer on Twitter as to why Asty's callsign is Red Six, but he's said to be part of Blue Squadron. Cevan
(talk) 16:02, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- I already did, and was ignored. :( Maybe @WookOfficial could try? Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 16:09, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- If that works, I have a list of unanswered questions for @WookOfficial. :P - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:21, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- I don't like to bother creators with continuity questions on the Wookieepedia Twitter, so I'd rather not tweet the question. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:57, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- If that works, I have a list of unanswered questions for @WookOfficial. :P - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:21, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- I already did, and was ignored. :( Maybe @WookOfficial could try? Corellian Premier
- Okay, just to be sure before I make the edits: Poe's Flight Log puts Ello in Red Squad. Since this is the most recent source, ok to overwrite the other sources which put him in Blue Squad? Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 21:26, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
- Made a slight edit to the article, please take a look.
AnilSerifoglu (talk) 04:05, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
- OK, update complete. Minor changes to Bio and P&T Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 15:40, August 16, 2017 (UTC)