Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Anti-Riot Tangle Gun 7 (second nomination)

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Anti-Riot Tangle Gun 7

  • Nominated by: MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 03:59, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Let this one slip.

(4 ACs/1 Users/5 Total)

Support

  1. ACvote Let Fred have this one. Imperators II(Talk) 09:10, August 30, 2017 (UTC)
  2. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 19:27, September 3, 2017 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:01, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Exiled Jedi (talk) 19:40, September 30, 2017 (UTC)
  5. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:24, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Object

Ecks Dee
  • Is (Identified as Tangle Pistol) really necessary for all those Sources? Go with one {{1stID}} for each name and you're all clear.
    • Ah, gotcha. Done.
      • Upon consultation with my esteemed AgriCorps colleagues, we reached the conclusion that different capitalizations of the same name do not warrant separate 1stID tags. Only the "first" variant needs the tag.
        • I was thinking the same thing. Fixed.
      • Furthermore, WP:LG#Template_usage says {{1st}} and {{1stm}} should only be used simultaneously if the "mention" came first. This does not appear to be the case in this article. Accordingly, the 1stm should be changed to a 1stID tag. 1358 (Talk) 20:29, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
  • Page numbers and entry names belong in references, not in the Sources section. Wookieepedia:Manual_of_Style#CSWECite. 1358 (Talk) 21:12, August 17, 2017 (UTC)
  • As Toprawa pointed out on IRC, "also known simply as the Tangle Gun 7" in the intro is probably a bit redundant as it's just a shortened form of the proper name. You wouldn't include "Falcon" as an alternate name for the Millennium Falcon either.
    • Fair enough. Fixed.
  • I would recommend creating a category for crowd control weapons, maybe under Category:Weapons by weapon type. I can find a bunch just by looking on Google. 1358 (Talk) 20:29, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
Anti-Gun Tangle Riot
  • Formatting of the dates in BTS should be consistent. Either go with a) just the year for all sources, b) full date for all sources, or c) full date for the first source and just the year for the rest.
  • Since you've done away with noting the various capitalization in the Sources list, this sentence also no longer has any reason to be in the BTS: "In all of these reference guides, the gun is identified as a "Tangle Pistol.""
  • Could you add in the intro the briefest mention of the fact the gun was described in the IU Cracken's field guide? Imperators II(Talk) 22:21, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • Although I've never played Galaxies, I'm familiar enough with how our articles word content from that game that I'm left to question this sentence. Does the game actually say that the game was available to "various spacers" (plural), or is this the article's poor extrapolation of the fact that it was available to one spacer, the player, within the events of the game? "However, independent weaponsmiths and munitions traders who were in possession of the schematics also produced the weapon for various spacers."
  • Who considered this? Everyone? Airen Cracken? Can we qualify this? "Considered more humane than a blaster..."
    • Clarified. The Empire had it created because it needed a more humane option for crowd control.
  • I find the terminology here sort of strange, so I wanted to confirm. Does the source actually use terms like "seduction" and "mothballed"? "Therefore, when Imperial policy went from one of seduction to brute force, the weapon was mostly mothballed."
    • The source does actually use those words. I included them because I liked them, but I can reword if you think that's best.
  • In the final paragraph of the History, would CRFG not support a contextual mention that Airen Cracken is head of Alliance Intelligence? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:06, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately, it only ever calls him a general, and his bio never says anything about Intelligence. Would you like me to add that and source it to something else? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 19:45, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
  • New objections per the new changes to the article. A gun cannot by definition be both a pistol and a rifle. It makes no sense to call it by both names. I think you need to relegate the rifle information to the BTS as an inconsistency, as it seems pretty clear all of the other sources and illustrations present the weapon as a pistol, not to mention its very name, "tangle pistol." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, October 1, 2017 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi
  • The weapon is listed in Galladinium's Fantastic Technology for 300 credits with an availability rating of 3, X. The 3 means that the weapon is a specialized item that isn't found everywhere, while the x means that it is illegal on most planets.
    • Added. Did I interpret this correctly? Not an RPG expert.
  • Since it is listed in this source, you should note in the history section that it was available for sale in the 50th anniversary edition of Galladinium's Galactic Datalog of Fantastic Technology. The introduction to the book states that the catalog was released between Episode IV and Episode V.
  • The Far Orbit Project establishes that the weapon was for sale on the black market during the privateer missions of the Far Orbit, which take place around the same time as Episode IV. It is listed as an item with an X availability. The section establishes that the price of the weapon increased on the black market in the Ringali Shell during while the Far Orbit. During the first phase of the Far Orbit's campaign, it cost 300 credits. During the second phase of the campaign, the cost increases to 6,000 credits on the Ringali Shell black market. During the third phase of the campaign, it increases to 9,000 credits on the black market in the Ringali Shell. It is going to be quite complicate to describe what begins and ends each phase on the campaign due to its nature as a loose set of RPG adventures.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 01:40, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
    • Ok, I've taken a crack at this. See what you think. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 01:21, September 26, 2017 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 20:28, October 7, 2017 (UTC)