Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Anna Francolini

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Anna Francolini

  • Nominated by:
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2
  • Nomination comments: Wanted to try this out, wookieepedia isn't my home wiki, but I do like writing random biographies sometimes

(0 ACs/2 Users/2 Total)

Support

  1. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 07:24, August 27, 2018 (UTC)
  2. Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 15:29, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

Object

Tommy
  • Article currently violates GAN rule 7. Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 20:10, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
    • Sorry it's fixed now, I'd forgotten to remove it.User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 20:21, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
Imp
  • Hi, welcome to the GAN. Please see this. Imperators II(Talk) 20:26, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
    • Fixed (hopefully) and thank you^^ User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 20:42, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
  • Please eliminate any use of double referencing, i.e., two references one after another, like [3][10]. Either attribute each sentence/part of sentence/word(s) to the precise, specific references that support each bit of info, or write out a manual reference note that explains where the information is derived from. Imperators II(Talk) 20:57, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 22:05, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
  • Please fill out as much parameters as possible and appropriate in each usage of {{WebCite}}. Imperators II(Talk) 20:57, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
    • I added all that were available, but a few didn't have authors listed, so I'm hoping that will be okay User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 22:05, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
      • How about a publisher for ref 3? And please link all the publishers. Imperators II(Talk) 10:30, June 25, 2018 (UTC)
        • Done
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 14:18, June 25, 2018 (UTC)
  • Please change all usages of ’ to '. Imperators II(Talk) 20:57, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
  • Also, I'd sure like to see the other works in the infobox organized like here. Imperators II(Talk) 20:58, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 22:05, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • All OOU articles require a Bibliography section if applicable. This serves the same purpose as the Sources section in IU articles. The Bibliography section will list all officially licensed material the actress is mentioned in. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 14:39, August 16, 2018 (UTC)
    • Added^^
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 23:29, August 17, 2018 (UTC)
  • Much of the article body suffers from redundant wording, which makes it read like you're just mindlessly listing off bulletpoints. Notice how pretty much every sentence in the second and third subsections begin the exact same way. "In 2007, [she did this]." "In 2008, [she did this]." "In 2010, [she did this]." As a writer, it's your responsibility to find various methods to make a litany of otherwise boring information (which, frankly, is all this article is) seem, or at least read, interesting. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:03, September 7, 2018 (UTC)
    • Shifted things around, I'm hoping it helped.
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 21:47, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
  • There's a significant difference between calling someone "British" or "English." People living in England will tell you that they consider themselves to be "English." The term "British" carries a separate connotation, which can refer to anyone within lands belonging to the United Kingdom and former holdings of the British Empire (read the Wikipedia articles on "English people" and "British people" if you haven't already). The point here is that if she's English, then call her that. The infobox and intro already don't agree on this in terms of pipelinking; the intro pipelinks to "United Kingdom" while the intro pipelinks to "England" -- not exactly the same thing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:56, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
    • Fixed
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 01:03, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
  • One of the pitfalls of writing OOU articles like this is, since we external-link to Wikipedia, you can virtually link to every term and subject under the sun, and frankly it becomes a big pain the you-know-where. In the intro, you link to certain things like actress but omit others like theatrical work and musicals. You should uniformly be checking every single noun to see if you can link to something on Wikipedia. Please go through the article and add Wikipedia links in where you can. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:00, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
    • Added
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 01:03, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
  • The intro needs to be mentioning years for these things she performed in. It would be appropriate to provide years next to the name of the project in parentheses. See the Peter Cushing and Treat Williams articles' intros as examples. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:03, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
    • Added
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 01:03, September 29, 2018 (UTC)
  • The article's formatting of its Citeweb instances is not good. I fixed the first one for you, which didn't even have the correct URL or publication date. I'm going to try and go through and fix all of them for you as the time and interest strikes me, because frankly I don't think you have the experience or know-how to do it yourself (another reason not to write OOU articles). This may take a while, so you're welcome to take a stab at them until I can get to it. Use my revision as your model. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:41, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
    • It also bears saying that when using the Citeweb template, you should be copying it from the template page, not from wherever it is you've found it. Because wherever you're getting it from has the parameters in the wrong order. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:42, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
    • Also, I will amend my objection here: You did have the correct URL and publication date for the first reference. It seems this website published two separate interviews with this actress under the same article name fifteen years apart, which I just realized. My mistake. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:04, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
  • I would really recommend using this image (source) for the infobox image, for a couple reasons. Firstly, color shots are preferable to grayscale shots when available. And secondly, the color image appears to be more recent. That grayscale shot is from at least 2015, while the color seems to be from 2017-2018.
  • The Bibliography needs to mention any officially licensed product that mentions the article subject's name. It would appear that she's mentioned in one of these Solo Topps card series. You will need figure out which one and add it to the Bib. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:21, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
  • As I objected to in the intro, the article should specify years for Rome, Johnathan Creek, and Down to Earth in the body. There should never be what we call intro-exclusive or infobox-exclusive information in articles. Anything mentioned in the intro or infobox needs to be mentioned in the article body as well.
  • Similarly, I'd like to see years for EastEnders, Pixelface, and Gun Shy.
  • Please also specify years in parentheses for the infobox performances like the Peter Cushing article does.
  • Redundant wording. Please revise: "Francoloni was cast in the original 2015 cast of..." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:27, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
  • Can you explain what your rationale is for selecting certain roles of hers to mention in the Biography over others? Because in some instances it seems quite arbitrary, in that one role is mentioned while another isn't without any particular obvious difference in importance between the two. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:34, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
  • You need to be linking consistently in the Credits section. Why aren't Lie with Me and Company linked? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:37, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
  • Be careful of overusing commas. I've removed some unnecessary uses.
    • Thanks, I've removed a few more that didn't seem necessary.
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 20:21, August 19, 2018 (UTC)
  • Is there a reason we need to clarify that Toby, to whom she is married, is her husband? Isn't that a given? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 20:08, August 19, 2018 (UTC)
    • I guess, not, removed.
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 20:21, August 19, 2018 (UTC)
  • Try subsectioning the biography, and keep in mind that images should be at the top of each section, just under the quote. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 20:27, August 19, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done^^ I'm afraid there's no quote for the last one around, she hasn't done any interviews recently.
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 00:51, August 20, 2018 (UTC)
QGJ
  • I would like to see the article put more focus on her Star Wars appearance, since right now it just sort-of glances over it, while it should ideally be the main crux of the article (this is a Star Wars wiki, after all). I understand that there is not much information to play with, but there are ways around it. The ones that come to mind are:
    • Try opening up the intro with her Star Wars role and then talk about the rest of her career.
    • Talk a little bit about the history of her character, like the fact that she was unnamed in the film and only received a name in sourcebooks.
    • Add a quote from Solo to the article.
  • Maybe you can think of something else, as well, to make it more Star Wars-centric, but at least consider those. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 14:13, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
    • Solved the first and second suggestions, however, she hasn't done any interviews or anything on social media about Solo, so there aren't any quotes to pull.
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 22:29, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
      • You can probably add one of her actual lines from the film for that section. Caption it as "Anna Francolini, as Falthina Sharest in Solo: A Star Wars Story" or a variation thereof. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:13, August 25, 2018 (UTC)
        • Alright added.
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 14:12, August 25, 2018 (UTC)
  • On an unrelated note, do we know her husband's occupation? Seems weird to have zero context on him, as if we're all supposed to know this person. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 14:13, August 24, 2018 (UTC)
    • Added that, but aside from a resume containing some of his work, there's not much about him on a personal level.
  1. REDIRECT User:Spookywilloww/Sig2 22:29, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Idle objections over 10 days old. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:26, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Imperators II(Talk) 15:26, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Exiled Jedi (talk) 16:30, October 20, 2018 (UTC)