Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Xamuel Lennox (third nomination)

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Xamuel Lennox

  • Nominated by: OOM 224 (he/him) 20:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Our third catch's the charm? Continuing the tradition of resurrecting Imperial former FAs from The Empire Strikes Back. Sadly not included in the Shakespearean adaptation.
  • Date Archived: 16:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 3463 words (370 introduction, 2255 body, 838 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:AMB, WP:COMICS, WP:VG

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Support

  1. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 12:23, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
  2. Didn't have much to object to, well done! Hope someone tackles Needa as well someday. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Lewisr (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote —spookywillowwtalk 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Commander Code-8 Hello There! 08:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Ayrehead02 (talk) 00:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Object

Lew
  • Would Lennox's line/family be notable for some form of page? Lewisr (talk) 20:54, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Hmm, so the info presented here is everything we know about them. Specifically, Insider 96 says Lennox was "part of a proud legacy of military men" and refers to "his predecessors," while CSWE says "the scion of several generations of military officers." Erring on the non-assumptive side, I'm not sure if it'd be accurate to treat this as a family or a genetic lineage, and I'm not sure if a hypothetical...social? for lack of a better term...lineage (as in master-apprentice, teacher-learner relationships) should deserve an article itself. OOM 224 (he/him) 21:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Fair point, thanks for taking the time to explain it. Agree with you though that it doesn't quite deserve an article Lewisr (talk) 21:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Sorry to interject here, but 2013 Topps Star Wars Galactic Files Series 2 Card: Captain Lennox (Imperial Officer) says that he was part of a "proud military family" so a page for that should be created. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 19:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Just to confirm all the first pronouns usage are citable to the curret cites? Lewisr (talk) 20:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Yep OOM 224 (he/him) 21:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Thrawn
Uber
  • Little confused about some info between the intro and body: "He fought in the war against the Alliance to Restore the Republic, which he viewed to be threatening to restore a Republic that was just as corrupt as the Galactic Empire he served, and became cynical about the deceitful nature of the universe." and "Lennox grew cynical due to playing his colleagues at their own game, practicing deception as ably as he did warfare, believing that the only truth was the universality of deceit." Here, universe and universality mean two different things.
  • "Recognizing the corruption of the Galactic Republic that preceded the Galactic Empire, Lennox joined the Imperial Navy and attempted to follow in his forebears' noble footsteps,[1] and was dedicated to his own crew.[5] He despised the betrayals and political maneuvering among his fellow naval officers, but conscious of the precarity of his own position, he too became a master of both deception and warfare." Most of this very much sounds like P&T material rather than historical information.
  • You'll want to mention that Lennox at some point got a myoelectric replacement for his hip earlier in the body. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks, all sorted. I do think the motivation for Lennox's choice to join the Imperial Navy is important to mention so I've left a tiny bit of the personality-based info in the first paragraph. OOM 224 (he/him) 19:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I'd prefer if you used another image of Lobot, to be honest. There's plenty of choices out there, and plenty of them have Cloud City in the background. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Yeah that wasn't the best image. Got one from the same Price of Victory set. OOM 224 (he/him) 09:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
CC-8
  • Using the word "dispatch" in the context of Rachi Sitra makes it sound like she's being sent somewhere by the Empire, could you find an alternative word?
  • I'm not sure that it's necessary for the BTS to go out of its way to state that Lennox wasn't in Choices of One, unless there's a specific character that could be Lennox Commander Code-8 Hello There! 07:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Done for the first point. For the second, I suppose so. It's more so because Choices of One is set after the Battle of Turkana and before the leadup to Hoth, which means Lennox commanded the Tyrant before and after the Tyrant's appearance in Choices even though the novel basically only namedrops the Star Destroyer. I guess a brief mention in the novel is really not big of a thing to clarify in the BTS, so removed, thanks. OOM 224 (he/him) 01:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Ayrehead
  • Does the Hunt for General Madine section take place during the Battle of Hoth or afterwards? If it's during, then I'd move the outcome of the battle with the number of transports that are captured to the end of the Madine section rather than the previous one as it seems weird to summarize the end of the battle before going back to describe more of it. Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I think the wording of the end of the sentence "However, he was also a cautious man and was wary of being swept away by the war machine of the Empire just as it did the Republic." could be slightly clearer, is it saying the Imperial war machine swept up the Republic? Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Aren't full dates required in the BTS when two pieces of media release in the same year? Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
    • The first two are done, thanks! For the third, I believe narrowing the publication release to month only sufficies when discussing two pieces of media of the same year unless they're also released in the same month. The Layout Guide says "when two sources are being discussed in tandem […] the month and/or full date may be provided as necessary, particularly if both sources were released in the same year." OOM 224 (he/him) 00:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 16:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  • Instead of first appearing in the ESB novel, should that not just be Needa and the Avenger in a part of the novel that contradicts the film? I always interpreted it as such, considering the ESB novel to be not an appearance for Lennox and Cabbel. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:47, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
    • The character was supposed to be a separate captain, i.e. Lennox. It's more so a case of misidentification, rather than Needa being retconned out and replaced by Lennox. So I think it's better to treat it as Lennox, just under a wrong name. OOM 224 (he/him) 22:39, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Okay, I have also mentioned Cabbel reporting to Needa in the article body, but this was from an earlier part of the radio that doesn't contradict Lennox's character or the film so I haven't mentioned it in the BTS, unlike the novel. OOM 224 (he/him) 07:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Is it appropriate to list Lennox as a name shared with the Lennox region of Scotland? Lennox is a common surname, and through Wikipedia, there's a disambiguation page for the Lennox surname that lists multiple individuals with the surname noteworthy enough to have entries from before Lennox was named. I feel like general precedent is that names shared with any real world subjects or subjects of fiction in the real world, etc aren't listed unless they're confirmed to be tuckerisms, or if it would be reasonable to assume such - which wouldn't apply to the Lennox region. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
    • The surname Lennox is tied with the Lennox region, but I guess mentioning real-world connections at all isn't necessary. Unless you feel like the article should mention the real-world surname instead of the region? OOM 224 (he/him) 00:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Generally speaking, precedent is only mentioning confirmed real-world connections, or ones that can be inferred to be such. I don't think Lennox can be inferred to be a tuckerism to any real world subject. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)