Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Weir/Legends

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Weir

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Support

  1. Nominated. I started out expecting this to be a GA due to limited content available, but I found I was able to put together a pretty decent entry that exceeded 1,000 words, so here it is in FA. --Colinmcev 05:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote The Colinmcev train rolls on. ;) Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote -- Darth Culator (Talk) 00:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 04:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote EVIL motherf*cker. Graestan(Talk) 14:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Forgot to vote. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
  7. Inqvote Greyman Jan.png (Talk) 17:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
  8. Inqvote Jaina Solo(Talk) 01:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Object

  1. Toprawa:
    • Please elaborate on why he fled the battle. Did his forces lose? Was he scared off by Skywalker? "Weir fled the battle and ordered his men to pull back to their transport ships"
    • This is a tad confusing. You say he was being pursued by Numb, but then Numb is hiding out in a canyon? Please clarify: "He quickly detected that the Sullustan Ten Numb had pursued him on a speeder bike and, as his men were preparing to leave, Weir personally climbed the canyon mountain to where Numb was hiding"
    • Please clarify whose blaster he used here. Seems like he used Numb's: "Weir personally climbed the canyon mountain to where Numb was hiding and captured him by knocking him unconscious with his blaster rifle"
      • It was Weir's gun. Added the reference. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • This sentence doesn't make sense to me. The led the Rebel fighters by attacking a convoy? Please clarify/elaborate on what's going on: "which escaped a pursuit from Rogue Squadron by leading the Rebel X-wing and A-wing starfighters by attacking a civilian convoy with suicide drone TIEs."
      • Yeah, something went a little wrong there. I think some of my proofreading changes might not have made it in due to some of the bug problems I was having the day I nominated it. I cleaned it up and tried to clarify. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Please reword to avoid ending subsequent clauses with the same word: "including sizes and secret locations of military forces, which could be used in strikes against the Rebel forces"
      • Got it. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • So, Weir took Numb back to Tralus to be interrogated? Please specify This sentence makes me question this: "Upon learning that Luke Skywalker and the Rogues found the secret base due"
      • I put a reference to it right before the torture stuff. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm kind of skeptical as to describing R2-D2 as famous here. Can you confirm that the source does indeed say this, or even source this to something else? "and the famed astromech droid R2-D2,"
      • I just dropped the famed reference altogether. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • In the paragraph beginning, "As Wedge Antilles and Tycho Celchu pursued the general in stolen TIE Fighters...," you use the word "surface" three times in two sentences, including twice in a single sentence. Please reword, ideally, two of these.
      • So, you want me to use the word surface more. You got it! (Kidding, by the way ;) ). --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Just confirming. There's nothing else explaining what happened after he was captured and brought to interrogation?
      • Unfortunately, no. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Please reword to avoid using the base word "regard" twice here: "Regardless of species, Weir showed little regard"
      • Done. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
        • You've only changed "little" to "no." Specifically, I'm looking for you to reword one either "Regardless" or "regard." Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
          • lol, Oops. Fixed. --Colinmcev 00:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm confused as to how telling Numb that his torture was the product of a chance encounter is considered psychological torture: "Weir enjoyed applying psychological attacks against his subjects, such as his statements to Ten Numb that his capture and torture was the result of a purely chance encounter."
      • He said something to the affect that the mission was only meant to punish Coronet City and that they didn't even know Luke and the pilots would be there, so it was only based on pure chance that they even found Numb, and yet now he was being tortured because of it. I found it a bit difficult to condense though, and really I think there were other better psychological torments to use as an example, so I changed the sentence altogether. --Colinmcev 14:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Through the third and fourth paragraphs of the P&T section, you begin off a number of sentences with "Weir was..." Please reword some of these.
    • I would like to see a little cleaner BTS. It's not bad, all the information is just about there, but please rewrite to more effectively say who created him and what comics he appears in. Also make sure to identify the year the comics were published. If possible, you might add why he was created. What purpose did his character serve? Antagonist? Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
  2. Lil' bit more:
    • I would still like a little bit here explaining how, even though they apparently satisfied his taste for destruction, they still didn't get Skywalker: "Weir ordered the deaths of Skywalker and anyone who stood with him, military and civilian alike."
      • Changed this around a bit. Let me know what you think. --Colinmcev 00:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
    • The little blurb you've selected for its own section in the "Talents and abilities" section isn't really enough to warrant an individual section. Please move that into the P&T.
      • Got it.
    • Also, just a reminder, still one unresolved objection above. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Got it. --Colinmcev 00:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  3. Er, the "legion" quote is used twice. I'm hoping this wasn't intentional. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 18:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Nope, it wasn't. Fixed. I think I just copied the quote up there for the template and intended to replace the actual quote. I fixed it. --Colinmcev 22:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  4. From the desk of Atarumaster88
    • It's been a little while since I've read this particular issue of Rogue Squadron, but is Weir stated to be a storm commando?
      • I looked back and didn't find a specific reference (the storm commando reference was already in the article when I started editing). I still felt and feel that it's safe to call him that, since he not only wears the uniform (if a guy is wearing an Imperial Stormtrooper outfit, but isn't specifically identified as a stormtrooper, you can still tell he's a stormtrooper), but also because he demonstrates a lot of the skills and missions of the storm commandos; namely, from our article, to "instill uprisings and subdue insurrections, which is very similar to what he was doing here. I'm hoping you'll agree and that I can leave the detail in, but if you really think it has to go I'll drop it. --Colinmcev 02:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
        • I hate to be nitpicky, but the word "storm commando" is not in the comics, so I wince at the idea of leaving it in the article, knowing that our readers may take (and should take, when it comes to FAs) our articles as 100% accurate and canon, etc. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 01:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
          • For the record, you could always say in one part of the article that Weir wore armor similar in appearance to storm commando armor if you wanted to have some mention of it, but certainly not a requirement. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 04:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
          • Well, I still couldn't disagree more, but I guess that's that. Removed all references. --Colinmcev 03:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Correct me if I'm wrong; I don't think we generally cite by issue, but by story arc.
      • I don't know what the precedent is, but whatever it is, I'll be happy to follow it. I just did it this way because I figured the more specific I was with the issues, the more accurate the article would be, but you can feel free to change it or instruct me and I'll do so.
        • I checked a few other FAs and found they were referenced by story arc, not issue, just as you said. I changed it accordingly. --Colinmcev 16:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
          • Personally, I prefer citing by issue if we can for the reasons Colinmcev said. But if this is going to be done by story arc, then it's single source and the references need to be removed entirely. Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
            • I'm down with whatever; obviously I agree with Green Tentacle but I'll go with whatever direction you guys want to give. Atarumaster, since you made the objection, I'll go with whatever direction you want. Or if other inqs want to weigh in, that's cool too. --Colinmcev 04:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
              • The article Jon is a one-source FA that references it like I do this one. Is this correct or do I have to make a change? --Colinmcev 03:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Some minor little things cleaned up, but that's about it. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 20:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Image objections:
    • File:Weir.jpg: Quite distorted.
      • This image is actually not distorted; its deliberately dark and a bit off in the comic itself to make Weir look as evil and creepy as possible. This picture was here before I got to the article, but looking at it again in the comic, I can honestly say I don't think another scan could make it clearer. --Colinmcev 04:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
        • As you probably saw in other objections, I've done some additional work and cropping on this picture. Hopefully it's all better now. --Colinmcev 20:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
    • File:Weir.jpg: Even more distorted.
      • Rescanned and reuploaded. --Colinmcev 04:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • File:Weirtorturingten.jpg: Could probably be cropped a little better to remove more of the white frame at the top.
    • File:Wedgepunchweir.jpg: Needs to be cropped. The frame line is showing on the top left side, and the top right side seems …bent somehow.
      • I previously avoided that crop so Weir's whole hand would be in there, but I did the crop and reuploaded. --Colinmcev 04:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    --Imperialles 18:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. From the squalid cubicle of Graestan:
    • No better image for the infobox, sans comic frames?
      • Honestly, there really isn't a better picture of Weir. The comic frames thing is a bit unfortunate, but most of the other pictures of his face are either less adequate or similarly obscured. Plus, this image is the first time we see Weir without the mask, it's our intro to him and I think it really nails his sadistic nature. That all being said, I'm proficient enough in Photoshop that I could remove the comic frames on the top of this image and replace them with a standard white background, but I didn't know if that was allowed or not. If it is, let me know and I'd be happy to do it. --Colinmcev 04:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
        • It's been done. I'd like it. Graestan(Talk) 01:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
          • What do you think of it? --Colinmcev 03:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Category:Images of Weir could be populated with, say, the rest of the article's images.
      • Whoops. Haha. The other images are in that category now. --Colinmcev 04:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Not so keen on "Bald" as a hair color.
      • I changed it to None. Is that better? Or is hair color removed altogether in these cases? --Colinmcev 04:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
    • "Torturous" is being used a bit much.
      • I only found the word used twice. The word torture is used more, but I didn't feelt it was overused, especially considering that torture is such a big part of what Weir is all about. If maybe you could give me some suggestions of instances where you feel it should be removed or reworded, I can go from there? --Colinmcev 04:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
        • Basically, I found that in such a short article, using it twice in the exact same way and pipe-linking it both times was a bit heavy-handed. Graestan(Talk) 01:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
          • Ok. Removed one. --Colinmcev 03:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
    • "Weir was a storm commando, an elite branch…" – Please reword.
      • I see what you mean. What do you think of the change I made? --Colinmcev 04:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
        • Say he was a member of the storm commandos or something. Graestan(Talk) 01:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
          • Due to atarumaster's objections, this reference has been removed altogether anyway, so I think this is resolved. --Colinmcev 03:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
    • "After the Battle of Endor and the death of Emperor Palpatine in 4 ABY, Weir started a counter-Rebellion movement to interfere with the Rebel Alliance as it attempted to transition into the New Republic and establish itself as the dominant form of government in the galaxy." – A bit ponderous; please break up.
      • Done. Let me know what you think. --Colinmcev 04:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't exactly agree with the concept that Coronet City ceased to be a booming metropolis during the Empire. Please rephrase and clarify.
      • I changed it. Just so you know where I'm coming fro, the dialogue from the comic as they walk through the busy streets is: "Last time I was here. The city was gripped in fear. Nobody even left their houses at night...it was a city in total lockdown." "Looks like all the locks have been broken."
        • Even changing "booming" to "bustling" would work. Graestan(Talk) 01:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Explain the help from Leyli and R2 a bit; it reads like a loose end.
      • Done.
    • Graestan(Talk) 03:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • I am aware that the Discussion and Quotes page links are redlinks right now, and that the summary info for the two pictures I scanned are missing. When I put this entry together, for some odd reason, Wookieepedia wouldn't let me create any new pages, so I couldn't add any of these things. I have the stuff saved in a TXT file, so I'll try again in a day or so and hopefully it will be resolved. --Colinmcev 05:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Also, for some remarkably frustrating reason, I found that every time I tried to edit a single section, as opposed to the entire article, it removed my entry entry, reverted to the old one, and showed no sign of my previous edits in my contributions or in the history. I have copy and pasted my entry into a TXT file and saved it in case this happens again. I imagine this is just some temporary bug that is probably fixed by the time you are reading this, but just in case, maybe if you edit something you can edit the whole article, not just a section? --Colinmcev 05:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I haven't forgotten about this, Colin, just been hunting for the appropriate sources to check on Weir's status as storm commando. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 01:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)