- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a Featured article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.
Tarsus Valorum/Legends
- Nominated by: Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:40, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: This article was voted to FA status in 2009 and had its status revoked in 2019 due to needing an update from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. I've now made that update as well as updated the BTS to reflect its Legends status. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:40, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
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UberSoldat
- Reviewing note: Seeing as I linked the wrong guide in the edit summary, I'm going to correct it here. Per the Linking section in the Manual of Style, compound terms must not be separated when linking a subject's first instance, like what you did with "Emissary-class shuttle" here.
I would remove the BTS image, there doesn't appear to be enough space for it.UberSoldat93
(talk) 09:39, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
- Not enough space how? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:34, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Not only is it stretched all the way down to Sources, it's unnecessarily increasing the width of the BTS paragraph. This wouldn't be an issue if the BTS was longer, but that isn't the case here. UberSoldat93 (talk) 14:42, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see any rules where this is explicitly stated. There are several FAs where this sort of format is used, including Kkkt, which you voted for. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:13, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
- I guess it's up to personal preference. I won't force you to remove it if you feel it's not necessary. UberSoldat93 (talk) 18:33, October 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I guess it's up to personal preference. I won't force you to remove it if you feel it's not necessary. UberSoldat93
- I don't see any rules where this is explicitly stated. There are several FAs where this sort of format is used, including Kkkt, which you voted for. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:13, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Not only is it stretched all the way down to Sources, it's unnecessarily increasing the width of the BTS paragraph. This wouldn't be an issue if the BTS was longer, but that isn't the case here. UberSoldat93
- Not enough space how? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:34, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
Check your file formatting. Blank spaces in filenames must be filled in with underscores.- Done, though is this a rule? Wikitext doesn't require underscores to render an image. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not that I've seen (unless I've missed it somewhere), but I've seen objections about this in plenty of nominations. UberSoldat93
(talk) 15:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not that I've seen (unless I've missed it somewhere), but I've seen objections about this in plenty of nominations. UberSoldat93
- Done, though is this a rule? Wikitext doesn't require underscores to render an image. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
"Early fifties" seems to imply that Valorum could've been born at any point between 1054 and 1050 BBY. I think you should add these dates to the article body and rework the date note to include them as well.- I wouldn't speculate as to what the text means by "early fifties," so specifying it as being up to 1054 BBY seems speculatory. Better to keep the "circa 1050 BBY" note that's in there now. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's not wrong to pull out a date range based on that wording, see Ruescott Melshi as an example. UberSoldat93 (talk) 15:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's different. "his thirties" is a clearly definable period of time based on the known date. Adding 1054 as the highest possible date is assuming the intent of "early fifties." Assume it said "mid fifties." Is that 55-57? 54-58? You could go down a rabbit hole of assuming what that means. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's not wrong to pull out a date range based on that wording, see Ruescott Melshi as an example. UberSoldat93
- I wouldn't speculate as to what the text means by "early fifties," so specifying it as being up to 1054 BBY seems speculatory. Better to keep the "circa 1050 BBY" note that's in there now. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- You should also include dates in their respectives notes too, per ample recent precedent.
- Can you provide a recent example of this precedent so I can see it in action? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- See the passed FAs from this year alone. UberSoldat93 (talk) 15:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll take a look. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- See the passed FAs from this year alone. UberSoldat93
- Can you provide a recent example of this precedent so I can see it in action? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Using "this" or "these" in in-universe text is discouraged as it implies the present tense. Please reword any instances.
- How does it imply present tense when it refers to something other than time? I changed the one instance I saw that referred to time, but otherwise it's pretty clear in other examples what "this" is referring to. "To this end" = pretty normal turn of phrase. "this bureaucratic system" referring to the sentence that came before it. "this tactic" doing the same thing. Etc. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Precedent, I've received the same objection here. I think you can substitute them with "that" or "those". UberSoldat93 (talk) 15:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'll look at it but this is silly. This precedent reads like someone imposing personal preference regardless of something being grammatically correct. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's not silly. It's proper use of the words "this" and "that." "This" is used in more personal situations. "That" is used when one is distancing themselves from the topic. "This" reads as if someone is having the article read to them. See here for more clarification on the usage of the two words. MasterFred(talk) 04:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- It's not silly. It's proper use of the words "this" and "that." "This" is used in more personal situations. "That" is used when one is distancing themselves from the topic. "This" reads as if someone is having the article read to them. See here for more clarification on the usage of the two words. MasterFred
- I'll look at it but this is silly. This precedent reads like someone imposing personal preference regardless of something being grammatically correct. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Precedent, I've received the same objection here. I think you can substitute them with "that" or "those". UberSoldat93
- How does it imply present tense when it refers to something other than time? I changed the one instance I saw that referred to time, but otherwise it's pretty clear in other examples what "this" is referring to. "To this end" = pretty normal turn of phrase. "this bureaucratic system" referring to the sentence that came before it. "this tactic" doing the same thing. Etc. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I believe you can introduce another section (and therefore another quote) after "Diplomatic efforts," related to his kidnapping attempt. The third paragraph can be cut down to accommodate this as it's currently quite big.
- Added another section. I'll need to dig for a quote. I'm traveling for awhile and don't have the book with me. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Much of the info in said paragraph is sourced entirely to Ref 8, a date note. Did you mean to source that info to another source?- Fixed. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
The image in "Personality and traits" seems redundant as the caption repeats info from the image caption in "Diplomatic efforts."- I'd like to keep the image for illustrative purposes, but I've tweaked the caption to better connect it to the text it's next to. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
His hair and eye colors are currently infobox-exclusive.- Added. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
The New Dawn's ship class should be introduced upon the ship's first mention.- Added. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Darth Plagueis and Darth Bane: Rule of Two both have another audiobook adaptation which should presumably be added to Appearances since they're unabridged (and their redlinks filled in too). When adding them, ensure that the section complies with the Layout Guide. UberSoldat93 (talk) 07:25, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'll look into this. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Comments
Some objections that were handled via the Legends channel on Discord:
- Addition of the {{CSWECite}} template.
- Removal of the GrS date in the infobox, per Wookieepedia:Layout Guide#Infobox.
- Addition of individual references for dates.
- Removal of full release date on books, only needing the year of publication.
- Removal of information about Tarsus Valorum's inclusion in canon from the BtS.
- Addition of the year that Valorum's time in office ended and who he was succeeded by.
- Addition of Darth Bane: Rule of Two (audiobook) and Darth Plagueis (audiobook) to the appearances.
Still to come:
- Fill in the Plagueis audiobook redlink.
- Find and cite a source that says Chris Trevas created the artwork for the character.
- Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:16, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
- Audiobook redlink has been filled in. I also added an Equipment section. I cannot, however, find a source that says Chris Trevas was the artist who created the image of Tarsus. Without that, I will opt to not include artist info on the page. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:25, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
- Given that there are objections over 2 weeks old, feel free to pull this nomination. I don’t have the energy to put into a so far months-long nomination (and what will probably become a years-long nomination, given the slugs-pace that reviews happen these days). I got into this re-nomination when the only objection here was that an update was needed and I assumed it would be quick. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 02:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)