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Taloron
- Nominated by: ~ SavageBob 16:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: More canonized concept art. I think Wallace and Fry were trying to retcon these guys as a lost colony of Chiss in the Altas, though that's just a hunch. ~ SavageBob 16:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
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--Eyrezer 10:04, December 1, 2010 (UTC)- Green Tentacle (Talk) 23:15, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 14:44, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 22:02, January 27, 2011 (UTC)- Great job. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:05, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
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Green Tentacle
Despoliations is a nice word, but I'm not sure sending people running for the dictionary is particularly necessary. Using it twice in one article also sticks out a mile."As a result, several Talorons left their home system to find work as bounty hunters, turning their intolerance toward pirates to take the fight to pirates and criminals throughout the galaxy." The end of that doesn't read quite right. Something like "putting their intolerance toward pirates to use by fighting pirates and criminals throughout the galaxy" would work. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:51, January 21, 2011 (UTC)- I love the word despoliation probably too much. I've changed it, though, as other words are perhaps clearer in this instance, as you suggest. I've also tried to tweak the sentence you cited above; I like your version too if you prefer it. I can change it once more. Thanks for taking a look; I appreciate it! ~ SavageBob 23:05, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
Xd1358
The last sentence of the intro comes out of nothing and sounds strange. See if you can make better (perhaps say "they were good at engineering or whatever and constructed...) because it is currently rather awkward.Should "pirate conflict" be capitalized when the whole name (Taloron Pirate Conflict) isn't included? I see at least one instance with it capitalized. Whaddaya think?I'm not entirely sure what this sentence is trying to say: "'After a stint with the Ragnar Syndicate,[1] a member house of the Bounty Hunters' Guild,[17] Crutag left[1] with his Taloron Prey Chaser, the Scent of Fear.[16]" What did Crutag exactly leave?1358 (Talk) 13:35, January 22, 2011 (UTC)- Why, "Awkward" is my middle name, Xd! ;P I've tried to address both the first and third points; is that any better? As for the [P/p]irate [C/c]onflict, I was thinking of it like World War II. When used as a complete title, we capitalize World and War, but when we say something like, "The U.S. decided to enter the war," we don't. Does that make sense? ~ SavageBob 17:51, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
I'm somewhat confused over the referencing of "Classic Adventures: Volume Two." The only relevant listing in the Appearances/Sources is Domain of Evil - Classic Adventures: Volume Two. If that's literally what the article is intending to reference in these instances, that appearance, the referencing should include the "Domain of Evil" designation for clarification's sake."Infiltrator" is typically capitalized when referring to the actual Infiltrators group, which I must assume this is intending to reference. I think it would be best to capitalize here, but is there any specific reason the source might give that might instead suggest not capping? "The Taloron served as an Alliance infiltrator, eventually joining Scandium Team, one of the Rebellion's earliest Special Operations units, to take his fight to the Empire. Even after Scandium Team disbanded, Korgath officially maintained his position as an infiltrator"Might as well use CSWECite for reference 27.Since the article is outwardly professing to presume that the individual from Star Wars Adventures Volume 1 is not in fact a Taloron Hunter, I would strongly suggest just removing that item from the Appearances list. It would be one thing if the article was, for some reason, assuming that the character was a Taloron, but since we're asserting he's not, listing the item as an Appearance is really only serving to be incongruous with the rest of the article.Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:27, January 28, 2011 (UTC)If the species was created for the original SW Sourcebook, should that item not have a {{1stm}} tag?Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:27, January 28, 2011 (UTC)- I've addressed all but one of these; nice catches. The one that remains is the Infiltrator bit. According to Korgath's bio in the Star Wars Adventure Journal, the Scandium Team was a group of infiltrators/Infiltrators. Korgath remained an Infiltrator after the group disbanded, but the article doesn't say among whom. I think our article on Infiltrators is thus incorrect to assert that all Alliance Infiltrators were members of that particular regiment. I wanted to get a second opinion, though, before I made a short, generic "Infiltrator" article. What do you think? ~ SavageBob 16:15, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm thinking this might be another case for the "duck test," essentially. In my experience, AJ material is almost invariably inspired from information originally appearing in older WEG sourcebooks, meaning, as I interpret it, if it's referring to an "Alliance infiltrator," I think it's safest to assume it's intending to refer to the general Alliance Infiltrators. Without any real evidence to the contrary, I think I would just stick to that. Does the sourcebook say that Scandium Team was a SpecForce unit? If it does, then I would definitely say go with Infiltrators, because the Infiltrators are well-established to be a SpecForce unit. This might just be a case of capitalization inconsistency in canon, which, though not uncommon, is the root of our confusion here. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:56, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
- I think you're right; I was getting caught up on the "5th regiment" bit of the Infiltrators article. I've changed the link, as I'm pretty sure now that the article is indeed referencing the Infiltrators (and not just infiltrators). ~ SavageBob 05:13, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm thinking this might be another case for the "duck test," essentially. In my experience, AJ material is almost invariably inspired from information originally appearing in older WEG sourcebooks, meaning, as I interpret it, if it's referring to an "Alliance infiltrator," I think it's safest to assume it's intending to refer to the general Alliance Infiltrators. Without any real evidence to the contrary, I think I would just stick to that. Does the sourcebook say that Scandium Team was a SpecForce unit? If it does, then I would definitely say go with Infiltrators, because the Infiltrators are well-established to be a SpecForce unit. This might just be a case of capitalization inconsistency in canon, which, though not uncommon, is the root of our confusion here. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:56, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
- I've addressed all but one of these; nice catches. The one that remains is the Infiltrator bit. According to Korgath's bio in the Star Wars Adventure Journal, the Scandium Team was a group of infiltrators/Infiltrators. Korgath remained an Infiltrator after the group disbanded, but the article doesn't say among whom. I think our article on Infiltrators is thus incorrect to assert that all Alliance Infiltrators were members of that particular regiment. I wanted to get a second opinion, though, before I made a short, generic "Infiltrator" article. What do you think? ~ SavageBob 16:15, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
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Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 03:05, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
- Is there still a thread alive somewhere where Fry and Wallace answer questions about the Atlas? I'd like to see if the Taloron/Chiss connection was intentional. ~ SavageBob 15:46, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Here on boards.theforce.net (backup link not verified!) It's a huuuuuge thread with five years of history, but a few navigation tips: Jason was very active in the thread in the months leading up to the Atlas's release, answering questions about some of his plans for the book and stuff, but info on retcons and stuff that he tried to slip into the book itself likely doesn't start until after the release of the book, which would begin about here on boards.theforce.net (backup link not verified!) That's still about a thousand posts shy of the (current) end of the thread, so some of your other options would be to look through Jason's list of posts on boards.theforce.net (backup link not verified!) or Dan's list of posts on boards.theforce.net (backup link not verified!), or, if you don't have a JC forums account, I can ask the question in the thread if you want. Just let me know what to say; if it's already been answered somewhere in the thread, I doubt if I'll be begrudged for asking it again, considering how massive the thing is. Menkooroo 04:38, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Cool! I doubt it's been asked before; the Talorons are pretty damned obscure as far as SW aliens go, so if you're willing to ask, I'd be grateful! I basically am curious whether the placement of the Taloron system at the outskirts of Wild Space (and near the Uknown Regions) was intentional to imply a connection between the Chiss and the Talorons, both blue-skinned, order-loving, militaristic near-Human species. What makes this seem even more likely is the fact that the system is located at coordinates I-6, which, by the Legacy era, seems to be within the Chiss sphere of influence. Intentional? Happy coincidence? ~ SavageBob 05:15, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Question asked! on boards.theforce.net (backup link not verified!) I'll let you know if/when I get a reply. Menkooroo 05:40, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Sweet! ~ SavageBob 17:13, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Cool! I doubt it's been asked before; the Talorons are pretty damned obscure as far as SW aliens go, so if you're willing to ask, I'd be grateful! I basically am curious whether the placement of the Taloron system at the outskirts of Wild Space (and near the Uknown Regions) was intentional to imply a connection between the Chiss and the Talorons, both blue-skinned, order-loving, militaristic near-Human species. What makes this seem even more likely is the fact that the system is located at coordinates I-6, which, by the Legacy era, seems to be within the Chiss sphere of influence. Intentional? Happy coincidence? ~ SavageBob 05:15, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
