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Susalee
- Nominated by: Panther436 (talk) 17:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Formerly a GAN
- Date Archived: 06:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Final word count: 1111 words (155 introduction, 843 body, 113 behind the scenes)
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- OOM 224 (he/him) 17:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Was eyeing this over on the GAN last night. Nice work —spookywillowwtalk 18:36, 11 October 2023 (UTC)- The bts stuff I mentioned on the GAN was the last thing so comfortable supporting Lewisr (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
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Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC) - Bonzane10 (holonet) 05:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Booply (talk) 21:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 06:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Object
Anil
I'd say Cavan Scott's clarification on Twitter is redundant now as it's also confirmed by a reference book.- I think it's definitely still relevant enough but I added that it was confirmed by the reference book in the Bts. Panther436 (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- I personally feel like the Twitter confirmation of the Lonto's status as a species belongs to the Lonto page instead and is not relevant for the character Susalee, but the current wording works for me as well. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- I personally feel like the Twitter confirmation of the Lonto's status as a species belongs to the Lonto page instead and is not relevant for the character Susalee, but the current wording works for me as well.
- I think it's definitely still relevant enough but I added that it was confirmed by the reference book in the Bts. Panther436 (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Could you also please check if THR Encyclopedia can be used to have fewer unique references, the ones used for context, pronouns, etc. in particular, as it is encouraged by the sourcing policy? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Was able to remove one reference and I moved her pronoun ones to the encyclopedia too just cause. The only other one I'm seeing that maybe could be condensed is the Path of Vengeance one but the encyclopedia is not out in my country, so I don't know for sure. If you or anyone who has the book knows if those two points about the Leveler and the Battle of Jedha can be cited to it, please let me know. Panther436 (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks to Lewisr I was now able to update this with the encyclopedia and was able to remove two references. Panther436 (talk) 22:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Nice work! Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Nice work!
- Thanks to Lewisr I was now able to update this with the encyclopedia and was able to remove two references. Panther436 (talk) 22:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Was able to remove one reference and I moved her pronoun ones to the encyclopedia too just cause. The only other one I'm seeing that maybe could be condensed is the Path of Vengeance one but the encyclopedia is not out in my country, so I don't know for sure. If you or anyone who has the book knows if those two points about the Leveler and the Battle of Jedha can be cited to it, please let me know. Panther436 (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Lew
I'd like to see just a little more work in the bts regarding the species/religious group aspect, and for this to be implemented onto Lonto as well. Essentially what I think needs to be done is mention the original sources which talk about Lonto as a religious group and note they only estbalished them as a religious group. Then mention Cavan's response on twitter, and finally state that the encyclopedia confirmed Lonto was a species. I hope this makes sense, let me know if you need further clarityLewisr (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC)- That makes sense for the Lonto article but per Anil I don't think too much info about the Lonto's bts history here is needed, I'm only keeping the tweet included because the question and answer were specifically about what Susalee's species was. But even then, the clarification in the bts of them being a species and not a religious group doesn't come from them being previously established as just a religious group, but from the actual tweet that Cavan responded to, which asked about that. The Lonto are never really established to be a religion, the Convocation is only said to be made up of religious groups (and a religious species being a part of it doesn't contradict that). That's also why in the original version of the Lonto article that passed I only referred to them as a religious group and not a religion. Panther436 (talk) 21:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think considering that Susalee is the sole Lonto character and is the one who this has been directly brought up in regards with, that it adds a bit of notability to it being mentioned on her own page. I did speak with Anil about this because I did see the above objection from him and didn't want to just completely go against what he had said. He did say he was fine with it being added if I felt so, and I did speak with another Inq as well in the first place regarding just the encyclopedia part, which basically evolved into this noting a bit more Lewisr (talk) 02:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think you missed the rest of what I said. There's nothing to add. The bit in the bts of them being a species instead of a religious group comes from that question being asked in the actual tweet Cavan responded to, not from them being established as only a religious group in any earlier sources (they weren't). Panther436 (talk) 02:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well they were, the Peace and Unity story explicitly says that it was made up of various religious groups, and Path of Vengeance also referred to the groups as Force religions. There was no indication of them being a species beforehand Lewisr (talk) 03:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Path of Vengeance does not refer to the groups part of the Convocation as "Force religions," at all it refers to "other Force religions on the pilgrim moon" and the "various Force religions of the galaxy" as a whole in a completely separate context. And the quote from Peace and Unity is "An advisory body designed to promote understanding between the various religious groups on Jedha," which doesn't even mean that the advisory body is made up of religious groups, just that it's promoting relations between religious groups (of which there are many more on Jedha than just the ones on the Convocation). Plus, like I said before, the term "religious group" is far too vague (and could very easily include a religious species or an ethnoreligion) to indicate that it was in any way not a species and the Lonto were never referred to with it directly so it's especially irrelevant. And I don't think Scott constantly dancing around the word 'religion' is a coincidence considering he said he always saw the Lonto as a species. There is no contradiction here. Panther436 (talk) 05:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well they were, the Peace and Unity story explicitly says that it was made up of various religious groups, and Path of Vengeance also referred to the groups as Force religions. There was no indication of them being a species beforehand Lewisr (talk) 03:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think you missed the rest of what I said. There's nothing to add. The bit in the bts of them being a species instead of a religious group comes from that question being asked in the actual tweet Cavan responded to, not from them being established as only a religious group in any earlier sources (they weren't). Panther436 (talk) 02:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think considering that Susalee is the sole Lonto character and is the one who this has been directly brought up in regards with, that it adds a bit of notability to it being mentioned on her own page. I did speak with Anil about this because I did see the above objection from him and didn't want to just completely go against what he had said. He did say he was fine with it being added if I felt so, and I did speak with another Inq as well in the first place regarding just the encyclopedia part, which basically evolved into this noting a bit more Lewisr (talk) 02:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Striking as I think this isn't going anywhere, apologies, my intent was just to suggest what I thought was a good idea Lewisr (talk) 06:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- That makes sense for the Lonto article but per Anil I don't think too much info about the Lonto's bts history here is needed, I'm only keeping the tweet included because the question and answer were specifically about what Susalee's species was. But even then, the clarification in the bts of them being a species and not a religious group doesn't come from them being previously established as just a religious group, but from the actual tweet that Cavan responded to, which asked about that. The Lonto are never really established to be a religion, the Convocation is only said to be made up of religious groups (and a religious species being a part of it doesn't contradict that). That's also why in the original version of the Lonto article that passed I only referred to them as a religious group and not a religion. Panther436 (talk) 21:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 06:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)