Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Subject 1157

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Subject 1157

• Nominated by: Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:28, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: "Phase 17T, entry 1: Subject 1157's capacity has developed to the point of nomination"

(4 Inqs/3 Users/7 Total)

Support

1. There sure are alot of "11"s in Star Wars.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 16:44, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
2. Well done on documenting this part of Star Wars continuity! --Eyrezer 09:43, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
3. I always thought this was the real Starkiller!!!!! Plagueis327 18:40, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
4. Assuming Menkooroo's objections are satisfied. Hanzo Hasashi 17:47, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
5. Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 11:13, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
6. Menkooroo 20:11, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
7. 1358 ^(Talk) 00:01, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Object

Cal Jedi

• First off, you'll need to source the year 1 BBY to something. In the ref, you say that it can be sourced to 1 BBY since the events in TFUII happen in 1 BBY, but the game never says that. Adding an extra note to your ref saying something like "The Force Unleashed II project happens in 1 BBY according to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II comic" would work.
  • Done. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 02:58, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
• I think that the cloning technician could use an article.
  • Well, there are three possibilities for this: Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 21:29, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • A unique male individual
    • The "Lead Cloning Technician" mentioned in the TFU II databank
    • The cloning tech guy seen in the TFU II comic killed by Boba Fett.
  • I don't remember the site when it was like this very well, but I'd think that this guy should get his own article until we find out for sure who he is. You may want to ask an admin first, though.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 21:47, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • According to what was discussed here, he will definitely need his own article.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:22, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
      • Voila. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:25, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
• The intro contains many rather small, blocky sentences that don't read very well. I think that if you smooth it out and bring some of them together, it would read better.
  • Is that better? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 02:58, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
• You never specifically say that he was affiliated with the Galactic Empire in the body. That should be added to the body and probably the intro, too.
  • Both added. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 02:58, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
• The birth field in the infobox needs to have "Kamino" added to it like the death field has.
  • Done. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 02:58, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
• You need to specifically state that he was a male human in the body, perhaps in the P&T section.
  • ...and done. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 02:58, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
• Good job, CP.--Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 16:59, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
  • Ah, thanks for the review. I'll get to your objections a bit later. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 21:29, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

THX 1157

• If the website's events take place before and possibly during 1 BBY, shouldn't the birth and death dates be more approximate? Something like "Before or during 1 BBY" or "around 1 BBY" ? "Around" is used in the intro and bio.
  • Added "around" to infobox. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 17:17, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
    • Good stuff. Death is still at 1 BBY though, which doesn't jive with the reference's ambiguous "before and possibly during." Menkooroo 04:13, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, I tweaked the reference tag so it says "ambiguous" and not "possibly." How does it look? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 17:29, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
• Should "hallucinations" and "memories" be in quotations? They seem like pretty straightforward things. Hallucinations isn't in quotes in the intro, FWIW.
  • Added quotes to the intro because of the way the tech is talking about it. He precedes it with a lot of technical jargon, and they're not really 1157's memories either, they're "genetic imprints" or somesuch. Does that make sense? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 17:17, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
• Ditto "Subject 1138" --- it's the guy's name, right? If Subject 1157 isn't in quotes, should 1138 be?
  • Well, Subject 1138's name is "Starkiller", but I removed the quotations. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 17:17, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
• "Later, during entry 29 of Phase 22A, the cloning technician revealed that genetic imprints brought on hallucinations about a Human woman and caused anxiety to the clone;" --- since this article is about Subject 1157, can you present this information as coming from the Subject, rather than the technician?
  • How's that? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 17:17, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
• Halfway though! Sorry that I have to jet right now. Menkooroo 05:31, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for taking the time to look it over. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 17:17, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
• We have an article on Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II - Cloning Tank. That article claims that the Cloning Tank was an online interactive portal where the user could do various tasks. Sounds like an online game --- do you think it should go in the "Appearances" section with a link to our article on it, like we do with other online browser games? That's what our Cloning tank article does. Whaddya think?
  • Well, the thing is, it was the exact same thing as the official website, at least before the latter changed to a database. I added it to the BTS. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
    • Just tinkering around on the website? Sounds like a "Source" indeed! However, the BTS now states that the last video is still active on the Cloning Tank website before actually stating that they're no longer available on the other website. Menkooroo 04:40, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
      • Ah. I made it less equivocal. You'd think I'd have learned by now. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 15:35, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
• I'm wondering if you can standardize paragraph length in the bio. The second paragraph is huge compared to all others; if you moved some of it to the next paragraph, paragraph size would be more consistent. It would also help break up the repetition of the second paragraph ("by entry 25," "by entry 29," etc).
  • Is that a good breaking point? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
• In the bio: "an evacuation order had been given in response to the return of "Subject 1138,"" --- this is the first time Subject 1138 is mentioned. Who is he, and what is he returning from?
  • Added. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
• Ditto the next sentence. What memory imprint?
  • Its in the first bio paragraph. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
    • That paragraph doesn't indicate that 1157 is resisting the memory imprint --- why does the technician need to work on getting him to accept it?
      • I'm unable to divine why the imprint needs to hold, the source doesn't indicate he's really resisting it. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 15:35, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
• I don't think that every journal entry needs to be mentioned. "After that came entry 78, during which the cloning technician reported that Darth Vader had ordered the abandonment of all nonviable test subjects, and that Subject 1157 would be released into the training chamber." would read better if you just said that Vader ordered the abandonment, and that the technician planned to release the subject into the chamber. As the article is about Subject 1157 and not about the journal, the journal entries don't need to be deferred to all the time. The previous paragraphs actually do a really good job of this; this was the only instance where it really stuck out.
  • Nixed. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
• A question... what indication do we have that this is ambiguously canon?
  • Since we have no indication that it is canon. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
    • Our policy is generally "canon unless otherwise indicated." This guy seems to fit under "All other official Star Wars websites, such as swtor.com and HoloNet News" in our canon policy. The BTS reads "Since Subject 1157 has no appearance outside of the website, this article assumes his place in canon is ambiguous" , but there are tons of things that only appear in a single source. Menkooroo 04:35, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
      • One could make the argument that it is just promotional material...Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:43, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
        • Promotional material is canon. We use plenty of promotional images on this site, some of which were published on the official SW site prior to the release of a film. Menkooroo 04:48, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
        • There was also a lot of promotional material on The Old Republic's website that we treat as canon. Menkooroo 05:02, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
          • So are we in agreement I should remove the "ambig" stuff? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 15:35, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
            • That's what I suggest, yeah. It fits into our canon policy, and we do generally assume "Canon unless otherwise indicated." Menkooroo 05:28, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
• Alright, I removed all ambig claims. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 14:27, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
• If it is indeed ambiguously canon, that should be noted in "Behind the scenes" (with an explanation why).
  • Added-am I right? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
• That's all! Per Eyre, good work documenting an obscure and slightly bizarre piece of SW continuity. Menkooroo 03:41, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
  • Heh, thanks again. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:28, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 00:01, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Two things to note:

1. Subject 1157's videos were replaced last summer when the website changed, and the website seems to be non-operational now, anyway. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:28, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
   • Scratch that, the website still seems to be up. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 19:15, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
2. You can see Exiledjedi's copy-edit here. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:28, October 17, 2011 (UTC)