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Solha

  • Nominated by: Samonic (talk) 19:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:
  • Date Archived: 21:33, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 2305 words (342 introduction, 1936 body, 27 behind the scenes)
  • Word count at nomination time: 2414 words (385 introduction, 2002 body, 27 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): Novels, Durge's Lance, Chiss

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  1. Inqvote Such a curiously arrogant figure; an intriguing review.—spookywillowwtalk 23:44, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
  2. BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 19:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  3. Excellently done. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 19:16, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Commander Code-8 Hello There! 23:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Feels good to finally get around reviewing this. Nice work. OOM 224 (he/him) 23:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
  6. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 08:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
  7. Inqvote JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 21:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Object

Lewis
  • There are multiple links missing, e.g. standard month, lightsaber. Everything that can be linked should be linked.
    • This also applies to the introduction as well.
      • On it Samonic (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
        • Introduction addressed. Is the objection addressed now? Thank you. Samonic (talk) 10:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The circumstances of Padme meeting Solha should be expanded.
  • You should specify what blaster Solha used.
  • Duplicate links should be removed
  • Date is intro exlcusive. Lewisr (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
    • There is no specification on what blaster he used. The circumstances can't be expanded as there is no more information on the source. There are only dates in the intro. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
      • All objections are addressed. I believe so at least. Thank you for your objections. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 21:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
        • The date needs to be included in the main body as well. Yes there is more information to be added on the circumstances, please actually read it again and you will see. There are still multiple links missing, and they should be linked at the first mention (example: the mining link needs to be moved to the first mention of mining) Lewisr (talk) 22:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
          • Alright, I'll address them in some minutes. Thank you! - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
          • Dates addressed. Thanks. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 13:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
          • Circumstances addressed too I believe. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 13:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
            • Date cannot be sourced to the book. Circumstances still not addressed, look at what comes directly after Padme says when she met him once. And the links are still not all there, and again they need to be linked at the first mention (example again being factory) Lewisr (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
              • What can I source the date to? - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 17:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
                • Dates addressed. Mining moved, I'll address the circumstances and links as I'm able to. Thanks. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 19:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
                  • Added a bunch more links. Do you think there are yet more to link? Samonic (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • You should include Padme's response about what people in the Republic actually thought of him. Lewisr (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • What exactly is being sourced to the Star Wars Encyclopedia issue? Does it say the whole paragraph? Lewisr (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    • What paragraph? The one in "Early life"? It's sourcing that he joined Dooku's rising faction on Serenno. Samonic (talk) 17:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Erebus
  • Welcome to the FAN. There are a few things I've noticed so far:
    • Missing Category:Galactic Republic defectors
    • No need to mention that Thrawn: Alliances was a canon novel since there is no Legends counterpart for Solha. Also, please state what installment of the Thrawn series the novel was.
    • Does the novel or Encyclopedia issue in fact state that his Serennian cloak was "distinctive"?
    • I'm assuming that the image of the B2 is supposed to illustrate the cortosis super battle droids?
    • The novel does not state that Coruscant was a planet. Please source from "capital planet of the Republic" to Star Wars: Galactic Atlas, since it does, and then put the Alliances reference after the comma at Coruscant. So "...Coruscant,[1] the capital planet of the Republic.[2]" Erebus Chronus (Talk) 20:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Thank you, no it doesn't state that it was distinctive, I'm removing that now. Yes, the image is supposed to illustrate the Cortosis Super Battle droids. I'll source it now. Thank you for your objections! - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
        • All objections addressed. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 22:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
          • Could you provide in the caption that Solha oversaw the cortosis SBDs construction or something similar, then, please?
            • Addressed. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 08:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Please use {{EncyclopediaCite}} when referencing Encyclopedia issues. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Addressed. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 9:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • In the intro, there is a grammatical error in the sentence surrounding the factory's purpose for Order 66 by Sidious. Could you please amend that?
    • I believe I have, thank you. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 9:03, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • There are still signs of present tense in the article. Please change it to past tense as I've previously pointed out.
    • I'll look into it. Thank you. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 9:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
      • There are still some in "Raid on the factory."
        • I think they are now finally addressed! Samonic (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Please provide context for the Clone Wars, i.e. its combatants.
    • Added its combatants. Thank you. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 9:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • You should state that Sidious was publicly known as the Chancellor. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 22:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Addressed. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 8:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Please merge the second and third paragraphs in "Capture of Thrawn and Skywalker," they are small enough to be one paragraph.
    • Addressed. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 19:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Is "Service level" capitalized in the book?
    • No. Addressed. - SamonicChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 19:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Battle droid and "droid" should not be capitalized.
  • Can we get some variety in identifying Thrawn, Solha, Anakin and Amidala? Instead of saying their names every time they are mentioned, you could vary it by saying their titles, Jedi Knight, Senator, Duke, or the Serennian and the Chiss. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 16:51, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Addressed. Thanks. Samonic (talk) 08:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm noticing various grammatical errors, such as misuse or no use of commas, abscences of full-stops until line 6 in the first paragraph of "Capture of Thrawn and Skywalker"
    • I think I fixed the commas and full stops in "Capture of Thrawn and Sywalker." Is there anything else to address? Samonic (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
      • I'll just make a copy-edit.
  • We try to avoid using "this" in in-universe sections.
  • You are still capitalizing things that shouldn't be.
    • Addressed. At least the ones we discussed on discord. Samonic (talk) 20:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • "They entered the main building, the door to the courtyard closed and the lights came back on." - This sentence doesn't seem relevant to me. You can either remove it or reword it because it's still play-by-play like we've discussed.
    • Addressed. Samonic (talk) 20:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
      • I find it even more irrelevant, now.
        • Addressed. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 08:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • "When Count Dooku received vital information from an unknown species. The information explained of a rare metal, cortosis that could resist lightsabers. Dooku, who was pleased, made contact with his master, Darth Sidious, who was publicly known as the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic and told him of this discovery." - You should change this sentence to mention "During the war, the Separatist leader, Count Dooku, had discovered the existence of a metal known as cortosis, which was capable of resisting lightsaber strikes. As a result, he contacted his master, the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Sidious, who was publicly known as Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine of the Republic, and explained the discovery. In Sidious's desire to utilize the cortosis for future purposes, such as his plot to destroy the Jedi Order, Dooku dispatched Duke Solha alongside his siblings to the planet Mokivj to oversee the mining operations in 19 BBY," or something similar to that. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 18:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Addressed.
      • You copied my example verbatim. Please reword it to your own.
        • Done. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 08:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The link on "coordinates" is irrelevant to the subject, since it's not a galactic coordinate. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 18:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Fixed. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 08:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Dionne
  • The last sentence of the intro sounds a bit speculative. It is a likely scenario, but I can't recall the novel making any statements about Solha's final destiny.
    • No it didn't make any. I get I should remove it. - Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 20:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • "in that time, in that time" repeat in the Early life section.
    • Addressed. - Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Better, but in fact I think you could cut the first "in that time" out completely.
        • Now, addressed. Samonic (talk) 08:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • "Padmé eventually … Padmé eventually" repeat in the second paragraph of the Dispatched to Mokivj section.
    • Addressed. - Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • There is some incorrect information in the sentence: "Duja's ship and that they came to Mokijv because there was a preset hyperspace course on Duja's ship, the Possibility". It was Padmé who used the Possibility to fly to Mokivj and her arrival there was due to the message Duja had recorded before her death. The ship Thrawn and Skywalker were using was called Larkrer or something, and it had "a Techno Union feel to it", and the stuff they spun about preset coordinates was just smoke and mirrors.
    • You're right. Addressing it when I'm able to. Thank you. Samonic (talk) 20:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • "This devastating defeat devastated Solha's career." This sentence is both speculative and repetitive.
    • Addressed.- Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 20:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • LebJau, Cimy and Huga also speak about how Solha and his siblings treated the workers, it might go into the Personality and traits section. The workers were not given enough food and sometimes their work was just too hard to them and some of them died.
  • Just my two cents.--Dionne Jinn (talk) 19:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I have couple of new ones, too.
    • No need to apologize, the more objections the better the article gets! Samonic (talk) 08:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Not a fan of the quote you added for Dispatched to Mokivj. It doesn't really tell anything about Solha. Maybe a quote from LebJau/Huga/Cimy that talks about the changes Solha made to the factory early on?
    • Sure. I'll look for one. Thank you. Samonic (talk) 08:15, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Addressed. Samonic (talk) 10:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
        • Yes, that one is much better.
  • This bit also needs to be corrected: "calling Skywalker a thief, the Serennian aimed at Skywalker from the corridor in front of his cell with his blaster, and said that R2 wanted to be here and that he got here thanks to Skywalker, and for that alone he should be shot," Maybe make it clear Solha didn't at that point know that Skywalker was Skywalker. And that Solha thought there was a Jedi on the loose in the factory, and that the Jedi had wanted to come there, not R2.
    • First, yes, that will be addressed. On the other hand, looking into it but I'm pretty sure it's R2. Samonic (talk) 08:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
      • It is definitely not R2 they are referring to, but to the imaginary Jedi. On page 174 (hard cover novel) Anakin expressed fear about "him" coming after them because they kicked "him" of the ship. Why would anyone be scared of an R2 unit coming after them? So the "he" Anakin and Solha are speaking is the vanishing Jedi.
        • Yep, now I understand. Though page 174 leads me to Imperial era. Will take a bit more time. Samonic (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
          • I addded that it was the Jedi. Addressed I believe. Samonic (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
            • Different book editions are a pain, when trying to be helpful and provide page numbers. Because they can lead into somewhere completely irrelevant, as in this case apparently.--Dionne Jinn (talk) 18:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • "by his Uncle Skywalker" should propably be "by her 'Uncle Anakin'". Padmé never used "Uncle Skywalker".
    • Hmm, I thought it was Skywalker. I'll look into it. Samonic (talk) 08:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The quote/conversation at the beginning of the Dealing with Skywalker has text missing. The whole quote reads: "Captain Boroklif is, let's say, indisposed. / I need to speak to him. / Captain Boroklif isn't here. There was trouble at Black Spire. Boroklif and his crew weren't in any condition to fly. Do I have to draw you a picture. / Are you saying they're dead? All of them?". I was under impression modifying quotes is not encouraged on Wookieepedia.
    • Sorry, I must have missed that. Addressing it now in a single edit. Samonic (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Is Solha's comm worth mentioning in the equipment section? Also there is a bit of detail where Padmé first sees Solha about the cloak: throat clasps, color and ribbing, that could help to beef out the text a little.
    • It is worth it. Addressing it when I find the page on my book.Samonic (talk) 18:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
      • There is not much detail, there's just this, I might have misunderstood. I'm adding it though. Thank you! "That wasn’t just a cloak. The style, the throat clasps, the color and ribbing—all of it identified it as a royal Serennian cloak." Samonic (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Also you might want to add a little more detail about how Padmé defeated Solha by using the grappling hook to knock him out.
    • Addressed.
    • Thanks for your most recent objections, this are really useful. Addressing all of them. Samonic (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Indeed you have.
  • I think there is still some details Cimy, Huga and LebJau tell Padmé about Solha that can be cleaned from the dialogue, but I'll take a quick look to find more specific pointers of what I have in mind.--Dionne Jinn (talk) 18:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Thank you. I'll also look for them as I believe the P+T section needs some more content. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 19:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
    • I think I've extracted pretty much all information from the dialogue, there isn't much else. Is that what you wanted me to add? Or is there anything else? Thank you. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 13:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
      • There are still couple of minor things that could be made more prominent. For example, LebJau points out that the factory as a building was in existence before the Separatists showed up and changed it for their own purposes. It could also be added to "Dispatched to Mokivj" section how secretive Solha and the other leaders were about what was being build there, how they covered everything up before lower level local workers were allowed in for maintenance.
      • It might also be worth noting that Solha himself acting as a traffic controller is a bit peculiar. When they are escorted in, Anakin doesn't take him initially that seriously, believing he is someone expendable, because he's "the flunky who vectored them in" (i.e. the traffic controller).--Dionne Jinn (talk) 18:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
        • I added all that, I believe this objection is finally addressed. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 20:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The article currently says: "Amidala then went missing for months". What is the source for months? In the novel, when Thrawn and Anakin study the grass growth pattern outside Padmé's ship, Thrawn estimates the Possibility departed there about a week before their arrival. That seems to me that she was gone only a couple of weeks, max.--Dionne Jinn (talk) 19:23, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Addressed. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 19:52, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • Can we add a skills and abilities section? JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 18:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
    • There's not much in his skills or abilities in Thrawn: Alliances, I could add it but it would probably be almost empty. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 12:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Added one with the information available on the source. Addressed. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 13:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm seeing an uncountably large number of commas being misused. Please go through the article to make sure that you fix all of the ones in wrong places as well as any run-on sentences. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 00:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Please let me know if at least some portion of it has been fixed. I'll continue to fix it as I'm able to. Samonic Thrawns Chimaera (Talk) 11:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Grammatical error here: "Her disappearance prompted the Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker—husband—on a search that eventually led him to Batuu." That's not how em dashes are used. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 08:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
    • Yeah. A copy-edit added that. Removed. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 08:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Luca
  • There is definitely room for a few more images.
    • Added two. The ones we discussed. Thanks. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 18:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The "A" shouldn't be capitalized in "Skills and abilities"
    • Addressed.
  • "Born and native" is redundant.
  • "It was until, when he had an encounter with Duja, former handmaiden of Amidala." Is this sentence missing something?
    • Don't think so. I'm checking it just in case though. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 18:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
      • I mean, it doesn't really make sense grammatically. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 18:31, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
        • Addressed. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Article should specify that Thrawn is the core name.
    • Addressed.
  • It isn't clear why Anakin contacted Solha, since they were affiliated with opposing powers.
  • (Reviewing note) I'll continue reviewing the article when I get the chance. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 17:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
    • All objections are addressed. Thank you. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 19:12, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
spookly
  • The intro seems to have a differing order of events than the History, in that it mentions the work he did for Dooku on Mokivj in the first paragraph before content in the second intro paragraph, making it seem like he served the Separatists before the Republic. Some of the mentions of his defection/work otherwise seem to be said twice as well.
  • The latter half of the second paragraph in the "Dispatched to Mokivj" seems like it could be condensed slightly, as there's several sentences about book events not directly relevant to Solha (in which: is there a particular reason Anakin's referred to by first name only here?).
  • "Solha knew that there was a Jedi loose in the factory, however, he didn't know who Skywalker was, he then sent Thrawn and Skywalker to some improvised prison cells." Maybe split?
  • It seems like the "Raid on the factory" section could additionally be looked at for removing some detail. Some of the conversation dialogue between other novel characters and events have little to do with Solha himself. There's also some phrases that aren't quite sentences in there, like "And she offered him to surrender in good terms.", as well as some run-ons.
    • I'm still seeing quite a bit of it, in particular:
    • "Amidala attempted to keep the Chiss in the factory, but her attempt was in vain."
    • "Their meeting also coincided with the Chiss Ascendancy's raid on the factory, retrieving the shield generator."
    • "Skywalker then left the room and began his search for the senator once again."
    • "In the meantime, Amidala evacuated the workers with LebJau before the factory was destroyed, Thrawn joined the senator and the Jedi Knight who revealed that the ore was cortosis and that it deflected blaster bolts and disabled lightsabers, thanks to its large energy absorption rate. They learned that the ore was mined in the river next to the factory and strengthened the battle droids' armor making them invulnerable, something that could change the Clone Wars forever. Thrawn then agreed to destroy the factory after the Chiss retrieved the shield generator." - can really be summarized in one sentence, that ties Solha to it.
    • "Amidala encountered the duke, who..." this paragraph details their dialogue to the point where "then" is used five times in the same section, and "told" is used a lot of times too.
    • "Amidala asked him if he thought..." - this paragraph, same issue as bullet above.
    • "And added that it was unfortunate that he would perish on Mokivj." "And that thanks to that, everyone would remember him." - still the half sentences, here.
    • "Resulting in the explosive force doing more than merely collapsing the mine's tunnels." another, from Defeat.—spookywillowwtalk 04:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
  • The second image in the above section also seems really small on my screen, would you be against making it a bit larger?
  • In "Defeat", the image caption should specify that Coruscant is what's pictured.
  • Some P&T tweaking might be nice, in that it seems to mention his reaction to a lot of varying specific dialogue pieces, which seems unnecessary. Examples of are the sentences like "Solha was told this, he reacted with this", somewhat more like the History is phrased. Some of his skills/innovativeness in development might be better suited to skills section.
  • Is the punctuation at the end of some of the quote captions necessary? Some precdent for similar seems to not have. There's also one quote out of the many on the article that refers to Skywalker only by his last name, rather than both, like the rest. It might be nice to make them consistent.
  • Can it be established that he had joined the CIS at least by or past a certain year (likely 24 BBY given the date ref on the CIS page), given the Separatists' founding can be dated, so he must've joined past it existing?
  • Context for Batuu and Black Spire in history.—spookywillowwtalk 20:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Everything addressed, everything addressed but the first and the sixth objections, which are being worked on—the sixth one has been a problem for a while, actually. Thank you. Samonic Thrawns Chimaera (Talk) 10:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Technically it's never said that Solha’s siblings were assigned to the planet at the same time he was, just that they were working for him there by the point Amidala arrived. (Biography)
    • "the count dispatched Solha and his siblings to the planet Mokivj to oversee the mining operations[1] around 19 BBY.[4]" it's still here.—spookywillowwtalk 06:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
  • "During the war, the Separatist leader Dooku ..." - the article expands upon the count contacting Sidious, and that Dooku’d discovered the cortosis. In the Grysk scene, Thrawn theorizes that maybe they contacted Dooku about it, but there’s no way for him to confirm that, and Vader knows more than he does. It’s not said to have actually happened, but instead pivots to Vader’s reflection on the reality. The mention of the contacting and discovering does not seem to have basis, and since not confirmable, is irrelevant to Solha. Refer to our Discord conversation to see where this was brought up if unclear.
    • "In Darth Sidious's—Dooku's master desire to use the cortosis for various future purposes, such as his plot to destroy the Jedi Order, the count dispatched Solha and his siblings to the planet Mokivj to oversee the mining operations[1] around 19 BBY.[4]" To this point, I would reccomend re-reading Vader's scene, and perhaps reflecting on what Solha's intro has, which matches. The place produced the armor, which was intended by Sidious for his plans, but the way it's worded here ties it in with Dooku, as if he had a part in it or knew about it. From what the text says, that can't really be established, rather, it's two discordant events and theories of Thrawn that should be presented as such.—spookywillowwtalk 06:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
  • It would be nice to see some variation in image caption wording as two images both use "teamed up", in reference to the same characters more or less.
  • In the "Raid on the factory" section, would you consider adding a quote from Solha and Amidala's encounter? There's quite some good content there. If not, the current quote's explanation, as it's only attributing who says it, seems to have little relevance to Solha as it doesn't mention him or occur in a scene where he is present, without adding something.
  • Just one example tonote, but it would be good to go through for flow, running into a lot of "they left the factory and then destroyed the factory. " type of repetitiveness.
  • Pretty sure what is included as a quote in Equipment can't actually be added as a quote because it's her thoughts and she isn't saying it.
  • The P&T doesn't need to specify that he hails from Serenno, the biography does that. Additionally, it should be fairly easy to establish Serenno as in the Outer Rim much earlier in the article, rather than way down there.
  • Solha's noted to have an identifiable Serennian accent, that can be noted.
  • Please be mindful of the proper formatting for images, which should include underscores for spaces when calling to Files.—spookywillowwtalk 04:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
    • I believe I've fixed everything. Thank you.— Samonic Thrawns Chimaera (Talk) 08:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Please double-check your quotes punctuation and styling. Several do not match what the book has.
  • The P&T does not need to double state his hailing; it's already in the body.
  • Circling back to the "Raid on the factory" section in a fresh section for comments, though stemming off what I've said above (I'll expand to specifics, given it's not fixed):
    • The first paragraph has very slim relevance to Solha, if only at the start, and then the rest doesn't relate to his mentions at all. He's not mentioned in it, and it can basically be shortened to the equivalent of "Eventually, Thrawn and Skywalker used a crafted cord to escape from the cells Solha had imprisoned the pair in."
    • The second paragraph's start runs into the same issue.
      • Parts such as "The Jedi was scared of her going alone with the Chiss however, he ultimately accepted it." - Skywalker's fear for her, is not necessary to document here.
      • "which involved Thrawn and the senator going alone to the roof to retrieve the lightsaber." can be trimmed off.
      • same with "Skywalker then left the room and began his search for the senator once again."
    • Third paragraph:
      • "they also witnessed some spheres which descended onto the factory, which were part of a Chiss mission to retrieve a deflector shield generator from the factory." is not relevant to Solha himself
      • "Until he met with his wife who gave him his lightsaber and told him that Thrawn had abandoned them." - half sentence.
      • "Skywalker fought several B2s and discovered that their armor disabled lightsabers and deflected blaster bolts. However, he used the Force and disabled them." - also not relevant.
      • In keeping the most important parts of these three paragraphs, then, ideally should be left with about one paragraph of a neat length mentioning their escape from Solha's cell, cutting to his reacquisition of his lightsaber from Amidala and Thrawn's efforts, keeping the bit about the cortosis droids encounter, and finishing with Skywalker's brief B2s fight.
    • The 4th paragraph doesn't mention Solha at all.
    • I still strongly feel, which has not been amended in the conversations that we've had, that the 5th and 6th paragraphs detail every piece of dialogue they share.
    • (To above) "As Solha continued to threaten the Republic and Amidala, Amidala told the Serennian that the rising amount of threats wasn't productive. Solha observed the senator waiting for something to happen, and then asked if she was waiting for his siblings to make an appearance. He continued and stated that his siblings and droids were making sure the ships in the courtyard couldn't fly and that the others were attacking the insurgents. He finished by saying it was unfortunate that Skywalker perished in such an unknown battle and place." Bits like this, aren't summarization, they're stating he said this, she said this, he continued, and continued, and finished by saying...she said back... There's precedent for status articles to have quips of dialogue here and there, but then summed up by the action of just saying, "they argued", and it resulted in whatever it was. The majority of this isn't necessary.
  • The Equipment section should specify when he wore the garments, such as, that he wore the cloaks and such when he met Skywalker etc.
  • The image from the "Raid on the factory" section discusses the diplomatic excursion they attended. Though they discuss the past event, it occurred much prior to. Should be tweaked at present to reflect that they're not currently at said diplomatic exchange.
  • "Solha knew that there was a Jedi loose in the factory. However, he did not remember who Skywalker was, he then sent Thrawn and Skywalker to some improvised prison cells." I'm not sure this bit makes sense. It reads as if, he knows there's a Jedi, and he doesn't remember Skywalker, but then proceeds to go and put him in a cell, which implies that he would know, having done that.
  • "The pair agreed on running a test..." a paragraph that can be shortened, as it does not mention Solha within it/he isn't present.
  • "Then two B2s blocked the courtyard's opening to prevent any escape." - half sentence, under "Dealing with Skywalker"
  • Instances of repetitiveness:
    • "Solha tried to impress Skywalker with his title, but his title did not impress the Jedi."
    • "he would open the shield when he was on the coordinates of the courtyard, that he was not stupid and he would not open it until it was truly necessary"—spookywillowwtalk 06:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
      • I've tried to fix everything. Please let me know if my attempts have been succesful. Specifically the first paragraph of "Raid on the factory." Thank you again for your help :) — Samonic Thrawns Chimaera (Talk) 09:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
SE
  • Do we know in what capacity Solha served the Republic?
    • Sadly, we do not. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 12:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
  • "The duke, along with his brother and sister, were dispatched to the planet Mokivj by the Separatist leader Count Dooku, a world where workers mined and proccessed cortosis, a metal that deflected blaster bolts and powered down lightsabers." Please break this sentence up in the intro.
  • Can you reword this sentence in the intro? It reads weird to me. "Under his direction, the complex also produced cortosis covered clone trooper armor, which was intended by the secret overseer of the factory, the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, to be an safeguard of success for his upcoming Order 66 initiative." Supreme Emperor Holocomm 04:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
  • In the intro you say he served the Republic, in what capacity did he serve it?
    • Per above, we don't know. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 16:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
  • " By that time, Solha believed the Republic and the Senate viewed him as a joke." The quote in the Early life and Republic service section also mentions "or did't notice him at all", please add that.
  • That quote also notes "many" thought of him in that way, the above line should be tweaked to reflect the "many".
    • Noted. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 16:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
      • Slightly tweaked.
  • In what capacity did he work for the Separatist military? Supreme Emperor Holocomm 16:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
    • As the leader of the Mokivj droid factory. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 16:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
      • This should be added to the start of the "Dispatched to Mokivj" section. Currently it just says he oversaw workers, not that he was the head of the factory. Supreme Emperor Holocomm 01:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
        • Added. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 08:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Are there articles for Solha's brother and sister we can link to in the above section? Supreme Emperor Holocomm 01:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
    • They are linked in "Early life." Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 07:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
  • "In an effort to keep Mokivj factory's products a secret, Solha and his siblings covered every level of the factory except for ones used by maintenance workers." What do you mean by covered?.
    • Tweaked. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 08:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
  • "Amidala eventually received a message from Duja, who relayed the suspicious findings of her investigation into Separatist activities." How did she get a message after Duja was dead?
    • Well, Duja sent it before her death, and Padmé received it after Duja died. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 08:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
  • "The pair asked Solha about Duja's fate, and also informed him how they acquired Boroklif's ship," What did Solha respond with?
    • Well, he said "I see. What about her?" and Anakin started talking about Boroklif. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 08:19, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
  • "As their group entered the building, Skywalker used Force-powered telekinesis to move his lightsaber around" As I recall, didn't he also destroy some droids with it? Supreme Emperor Holocomm 02:59, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
    • Yes. Added. Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 08:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Duke Ziara
  • is the "diplomatic excursion" where Solha and Amidala met the first time worthy of a page?
    • I'm afraid not. I CAN'd something similar and in the bin it went… Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:05, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  • core name for Thrawn in Intro
    • Added, I'm not going to go into further detail since it's a Serennian's intro. The Thrawn stuff isn't that relevant. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Order 66 context needed
    • Added in the body; in the intro, I don't consider it necessary as anyone on the Internet knows the Order 66 memes, and it's the intro so less detail is needed. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  • link to core name in history
    • It's pipelinked through "Thrawn" in its first mention. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Thrawn isnt a commander :p
    • He poses as one in Alliances, I've established he is a senior captain but I'll use commander in this article since it originates from Alliances. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  • you use "Skywalker", "Thrawn", "Amidala" quite alot, introduce variety with "Chiss" "Jedi" "Senator" etc.
    • I've changed some instances of Skywalker, but overall, the article uses enough variations, and changing it further could create confusion. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  • context for Chiss Ascendancy BloodOfIrizi Sabine Starbird (talk) 18:48, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
CC-8
  • Order 66 being a command placed in all clones would be better off sourced to one of the Clone Wars episodes about it or any other source that discusses it, just because Episode III doesn't go far into the nature of how the order worked. I'm sure there's better phrasing to use than "installed" as well. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 10:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Reworded and changed source. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 13:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments

  • Special thanks to Erebus Chronus, Lewisr, YakovChaimTzvi, Supreme Emperor, Imperators II and Shayanomer for the help, I appreciate it a lot! - Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 19:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I put this here, because I'm not sure it qualifies as an objection. It's more like a question that I believe needs to be settled. In the Thrawn: Alliances Clone Wars timeline Thrawn indeed introduces himself as a Commander, but the later novel, Thrawn Ascendancy: Chaos Rising reveals that his actual rank in the Expansionary Defence Fleet at that point was Senior Captain. Which rank is the correct to use in this article?--Dionne Jinn (talk) 16:02, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Senior Captain, addressed. *Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 16:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I've recently expanded the article, I believe there is no longer any content to add. (In any case, it would be minor) Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (Ah, yes. The negotiator.) 08:16, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
  • As the Forum:CT:Pronouns in infobox passed, I thought I should establish that we know that Duke Solha is male. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 20:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 21:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)