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Sanyassan

  • Nominated by: LelalMekha (talk) 18:03, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: I don't feel ready with that one, but you never really feel so, do you?

(3 Inqs/4 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Inqvote --Eyrezer (talk) 11:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Excellent work, Lelal! ~SavageBOB sig 15:16, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Plagueis327 (talk) 01:33, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 01:47, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Did some copy-edits. Looks good to me. Trak Nar Ramble on 08:03, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Wonderful. Do Terak next. Menkooroo (talk) 10:38, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Now eligible for archiving. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 21:52, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Object

Eyrezer
  • "Some time after the Battle of Hoth, the Imperial Sergeant was requisitioned for Emperor Palpatine's second expeditionary mission to Endor." Is the Imperial Sergeant Jhorn? At the moment this sentence doesn't work very well.
    • Well, yes, the Sergeant is Jhorn. It seems I left out the name just after "Sergeant", for some reason. That's what you'd call a homoioteleuton. It has been fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:23, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
  • Is the Moddell sector a sector or subsector? --Eyrezer (talk) 06:42, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
    • Well it seems that the Modell sector is called "Moddell sector" but is in fact a subsection of the Zuma sector. I'll try and fix the wording. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:23, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
      • Great! Thanks for the guest nom. Get Balinaka and B'rknaa nominated and you can be a fully fledged member! --Eyrezer (talk) 11:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
        • Thanks. B'rknaa is close to completion, but Balinak still needs working. I shall nominate them as soon as they're finished. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:31, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
Savaged…
  • You should add "Sentient" to the infobox, under the |designation= field.
  • If they are called "reptilian" in the sources, you should also add "Reptile" to the infobox in the |class= field.
  • You should format the quotes with the "Quote" template, not the "Dialogue" one. We only seem to use the latter for the Quote of the Day; most everything else uses "Quote." Let me know if you have any trouble formatting anything.
    • I only discovered very recently that the dialogue template should not be used here, so I'm not quite used to it yet. Fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:54, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
  • Do the Fact Files really state that the New Republic scouts found no trace of the Marauders, or simply that they made no mention of them?
    • I can't quote the exact sentence right now (because I'm away from home), but yes, the Fact Files state the scouts found no trace of the Marauders and Charal. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:54, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
      • No problem. I just wanted to make sure it was an explicit mention of the Marauders and not an inference. I mean, lots of sources fail to mention the Duloks as inhabitants of Endor, but we don't assume they were wiped out somehow. Glad to see that's not the case here. :) ~SavageBOB sig 15:16, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
  • Can you make articles for the two Marauders who attacked Star Tours? It sounds like there's enough information to distinguish them as unique individuals.
    • I've just created the redlinks, but I don't really have time to write the actual articles now. I'll give a try tonight. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:54, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
  • Can you spell out MMORPG for those readers who may not be gamers?
  • Should we list Endor as a homeworld in the infobox? Granted, Terak and the Marauders lived there, but they're just one colony. We tend to restrict homeworld for the origin world of the species when one is known.
    • Removed it.
  • I'm not sure the Sephi business about pointy ears is necessary in the BTS. I think it's clear Chee is talking about pointy-eared near-Humans, not any species at all that has pointy ears. I mean, I don't think we'd mention his comment in the Trianii page. :) ~SavageBOB sig 12:17, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
Attack of the Clone
  • Pre-nom: all URLs need to use some form of citation template. {{WebCite}} should be used in this case for ref 25. CC7567 (talk) 21:00, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
    • I'm willing to do it immediately, but I'm kind of stuck: the link is dead and the Wayback Machine hasn't archived a capture for that URL. So what should I do? (Additionally, I thought I had to use the SWArchive template, not the generic citeweb one.) --LelalMekha (talk) 21:12, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
      • Would be best to still use the archive field, even though the site hasn't archived it yet. CC7567 (talk) 21:14, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
  • "and at least two of them pledged allegiance to a Sith Lord": those "two" should ideally be pipelinked here, or perhaps even named so that we can get some example names in the intro.
  • "the Sanyassans of Endor suffered a terrible defeat": some event should be linked here.
  • There were some cases of underlinking in the intro, which possibly extends to the rest of the article as well. Please take some time to go through the rest of the article to check for articles that might not have gotten linked; this can be used for reference. Linking is probably the easiest (or at least the most straightforward) part of writing articles, so it's worth spending some time to make sure everything is there. I'll continue once you've checked. CC7567 (talk) 19:17, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
    • The easiest part, and yet I cannot seem to do it properly. Quite honestly, it is not that "easy" to think of all the article that may possibly have been created and you don't know of. If there are cases of underlinking, that certainly doesn't mean I didn't take time to investigate, that means I was mistaken. However, I'm willing to check it once again—although I don't suppose I'll suddenly notice things I didn't see before. --LelalMekha (talk) 19:47, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
      • Sometimes it helps to assume something along the lines of that every noun is an article. It doesn't have to be that extreme, but taking some time to carefully read through the article, and then checking if something has an article on the site, should prove helpful. I realize it might be rather tedious, but it'll help you to recognize what needs to be linked in the future. It's also helpful to use your internet browser's "find" or "search" function to see where articles should be first linked in the infobox, intro, and body. Also, please note that the article for Scout (profession) only refers to hyperspace/galaxy explorers and should only be linked for that context. CC7567 (talk) 19:54, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
        • How is this going? I just wanted to give you the opportunity to add any links that you saw before I started reviewing myself. Once you're done, I'll start reviewing; just let me know. CC7567 (talk) 22:42, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
          • I guess you can start reviewing yourself, yes. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:13, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
Marauder? I barely know her!
  • A few preliminaries: "From this moment on, the use of the term "Marauders" has been restricted to the group of Sanyassan pirates who crash landed on Endor." isn't a self-sourcing statement, and should be referenced to something. Maybe some sw.com databank entries that mention the Marauders but that don't use the term "Sanyassan" (see Noa's "Sources" section for some examples) and a couple of other sources that distinguish between "Sanyassan" and "Marauder."
    • In fact, I think it would be sufficient to reference this statement to Endor and the Moddell Sector, since the article uses both terms and was the first source to introduce the distinction. Does that sound right to you? --LelalMekha (talk) 13:32, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
  • Also --- should those other databank entries (Noa, Wicket, etc) be included in the "Sources" section, even if they don't mention the name "Sanyassan" ? I notice that you've included Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds in "Sources" despite it not mentioning the name "Sanyassan."
    • I added those entries, although with a "As Marauders" tag—which I also added elsewhere when appropriate. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:17, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
      • Nice, but --- check the spelling of "Marauders." Also, give Wicket's databank entry some love!
  • Could the BTS paragraph about the Marauder of Endor mention his resemblance to the card-playing guy from the TV movie?
  • When using {{CSWECite}} in the "Sources" section, remember to leave out the page number. The page number should only be used for inline citations throughout the article.
  • Missing source: Cindel's entry in Fact File 123. No mention of "Sanyassan," but it does mention "evil alien Marauders." I'll e-mail you scans of the pages... now. Menkooroo (talk) 11:14, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the Fact File entry. There doesn't seem to be any real new info there, however. And also, boy, those Fact File entries sure were pretty biased! --LelalMekha (talk) 13:17, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
      • Good stuff. However, check out this page. A handy guide to when the different Fact Files were released. Now you can move it to its correct position in the "Sources" section; hooray! Menkooroo (talk) 13:36, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
        • Those things you learn! I didn't even know Tope had made such a guide. Some day, I think I may start adding the release dates of individual fact files in their respective articles. (As far as "Maraude(u)rs" is concerned, please pardon my French. Literally.) --LelalMekha (talk) 13:49, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
  • In the intro: "They engaged in piracy as the scourge of their native Moddell sector since time immemorial." This doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article itself, particularly the "History" section. Also, can you use a more accurate and less dramatic description than "immemorial" ?
  • "at least two of them—Bar'injar and Tun-Badon—pledged allegiance to a Sith Lord." I don't think it's accurate to say that Bar'injar pledged allegiance to a Sith Lord. The Crucible may have been founded by a Sith Lord, but it doesn't seem like there were any Sith still around when Bar'injar was working for it.
  • "Sanyassans in the galaxy" sources the fact that the Crucible was founded by Ieldis to KOTOR 44, but it doesn't look like Ieldis was actually mentioned in that issue. That part of the sentence will need its own source.
    • Sourced to the "Knight Errant" novel. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:26, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • I feel like the second paragraph of the intro is incomplete without mentioning that they were originally much more advanced. It's also quite a bit shorter than the other two intro paragraphs, so beefing it up certainly wouldn't hurt.
    • Added. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:26, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
      • Nice, but the term "modern era" isn't really an appropriate one, as every era should be treated equally. Also, a new one: I think it's worth noting in "Society and culture" that at one point they had an advanced society and culture.
  • The intro dates the Battle for Endor to "around" 3 ABY, but Behind the Magic establishes that it's definitely in 3 ABY (specifically 3.5 ABY). The 3 ABY date is also missing from the article itself (outside of the intro).
    • Fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:26, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
      • Not seeing a change here...
  • The Wildlife of Star Wars: A Field Guide is linked in the in-universe part of the article. Instead, an article on its in-universe equivalent (akin to The Essential Guide to Alien Species should be created and linked to. Menkooroo (talk) 03:46, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
    • Article created and linked. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:26, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • "Some members of the species exhibited cranial ridges on the parietal bones..." This is a small enough fix to normally fall under the {{Sofixit}} clause, but I want to make sure you know: Never link to a Wikipedia article in the in-universe section of a Wookieepedia article. If it's worth being linked to, it should get its own Star-Warsy article on the Wook, although in this case I think just adding a note to the bone article about parietal bones would be a better idea.
  • Claiming that the Sanyassans did not feel comfortable while alone and that they preferred to be in large groups, and using Battle for Endor as the source, seems like extrapolation to the point of speculation. Sure, they hung out in groups and raided in a large group, but we can't infer from that that they were uncomfortable being alone.
    • That was a bit of references being mixed up. It actually comes from The Illustrated SW Universe. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:31, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • Similarly, with: "Sanyassans typically wrapped their feet in rawhide or cloth and tied that on with laces for foot covering." --- I like that this is mentioned, but I think it would be better attributed to the Marauders in particular rather than the species as a whole. After all, they've been stranded on the moon for a century; proper footwear is probably hard to come by.
  • I noticed that Alien Encounters isn't in the "Sources" section, but the fact that the Sanyassans developed a writing system, the production of primitive manufactured goods, and road networks is referenced to Alien Encounters. What's the connection here? Does Alien Encounters say that that's typical of a feudal-level civilization? Even if so, it would be speculation to attribute those specific details to the Sanyassans if Alien Encounters doesn't mention the Sanyassans.
    • Alien Encounters doesn't mention them, but I was indeed assuming those details could be attributed to the Sanyassans, since those are necessary conditions to define feudal level. However, since you feel it's too speculative, I just removed it and went only by what we know for sure—the writing system. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:55, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
  • Can you source the fact that Charal is a Nightsister?
    • Done. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:31, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
      • Just want to confirm: Can everything in that paragraph up to the Nightsister part be referenced to ISWU? Like the stuff about them domesticating horses and Blurrgs and Terak ruling them? It was previously referenced to Battle for Endor. Menkooroo (talk) 10:32, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
        • While I'm pretty sure the blurrgs were mentioned in ISWU, I can't remember if horses were, and I don't have my book here. So I just added back a ref to Battle for Endor. --LelalMekha (talk) 10:36, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  • The stuff about Salak is currently referenced to Illustrated Star Wars Universe --- is this correct? I thought he wasn't mentioned in there...
    • Fixed (reffed to the databank entry on the Sanyassan Marauders). --LelalMekha (talk) 08:31, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • "Many years later" is used to transition from some time after the Battle of Hoth to the events of Battle for Endor, but BFE actually takes place in the same year as Hoth.
  • Can you source the statement that Charal was trapped in her raven form forever?
  • The stuff about Yavid trying to seize power is referenced to Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds, which I don't think is correct.
  • Is there a source for the Galaxies Sanyassans being designed by Jason Temujin Minor? It's currently referenced to the game itself, which seems weird.
    • Added a reference to Minor's website. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:31, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • Gimme some context on Leland Chee!
  • The BTS varies between past and present tense when discussing material from different books --- it goes from "still listed the species' true name as unknown" and " Monsters and Aliens from George Lucas contained the wanted poster..." to "The Illustrated Star Wars Universe and the Ultimate Alien Anthology are in conflict on how old Sanyassans could get. While the former source states..." Best to pick one tense and stay consistent.
    • Done. There is still an instance of "are" in the BtS, though, but I must admit I frankly didn't know what to do with it. Is it correct to say "The Illustrated Star Wars Universe and the Ultimate Alien Anthology *were* in conflict on how old Sanyassans could get"? --LelalMekha (talk) 15:55, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
  • Check out my copy-edit! Linking and whatnot. Try to avoid using "this" and "these," which we usually treat as present-tense. Good job. Menkooroo (talk) 04:18, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the advice, I had no idea "this"/"these" were treated as present-tense in English. I removed one or two other occurrences whenever possible. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:55, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
      • FWIW, "this" and "these" have no tense in English, as they are not verbs. Just a quick note from a former ESL teacher, since I know English isn't your mother tongue. Menk is referring to the opinion of many around here that those words seem to refer to presently existing things and circumstances rather than stuff a long time ago and far, far away; when folks speak of the terms being present-tense, they aren't meaning that literally. :) ~SavageBOB sig 01:07, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 23:16, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

  • Guest nomination for the WookieeProject Aliens. --LelalMekha (talk) 18:03, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
  • Just a thought, Lelal: While editing Fleebog for FAN, I noticed this note: "Although it does not mention the Fleebogs by name, Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds, p. 40, allocates only 1% of Endor's sentient population to species other than Ewoks and Yuzzums." You could probably indicate in the Sanyassan article that their numbers on Endor never reached 1% of the total sentient population of the moon using this reference. ~SavageBOB sig 16:16, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the tip, SavageBob. --LelalMekha (talk) 10:43, October 21, 2012 (UTC)