Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Purrgil (second nomination)

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Purrgil

  • Nominated by: CanePlayz (talk) 23:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: All objections from the failed nomination have been addressed, let's go for round 2!
  • Date Archived: 19:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 3276 words (262 introduction, 2600 body, 414 behind the scenes)
  • Word count at nomination time: 2003 words (256 introduction, 1435 body, 312 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WookieeProject: Rebels

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Support

My Copy-edits. — Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 14:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
  1. Inqvote Well done, so long as we can keep on top of the updates. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 04:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Object

Spookywilloww
  • The "other mentions" section that is present - any particular reasoning these events aren't listed chronologically to their occurrence? Some of those occur pre-Empire, in Jenza's case, by a lot - so it doesn't make sense to have them all tucked at the end.
    • At first, the info about Tech was at another place in the History section. Then there was an objection from Immi stating that it wasn't really related to the other info around it and we decided to put it into an extra section where we also put other info unrelated from any big historical events. However, we can talk about restructuring that again if you want to. CanePlayz (talk) 22:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
      • The information does need to be chronological. Having say, 90 BBY at the very end, past the O BBY stuff, doesn't really compute. With some wiggling around I'm sure most of that section can either be sorted into the Age of the Empire or the section above, in date order.—spookywillowwtalk 18:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
        • Talked about on Discord, should be better now. CanePlayz (talk) 17:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
  • In terms of event ordering, as well, what places "At one point, the Mining Guild pilot Ahhav encountered a group of purrgil in a TIE/mg Mining Guild starfighter and fired upon them in vengeance after having survived a previous encounter." after the events of Solo? I wasn't seeing much tie in dating, given it's just a card—if there is no dating for it though, might be better to put it before Solo's part.
    • Nothing. There is no info on whether it happened before or after. What makes you think it's better to place it before Solo's part? CanePlayz (talk) 22:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
      • It's almost implying 'at some point prior to 10 BBY..." by placing it after Solo's event. If it's before that, all it's under is 'Age of the Empire'.—spookywillowwtalk 18:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
        • Oh, I understand, changed it. CanePlayz (talk) 20:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
  • The spelling inconsistency of "purgil" from "On the Wings of Keeradaks" could be stand to be tucked into the BtS somewhere.
  • Context for Corellia, Liberation of Lothal, Capital City, Peko-Peko Munzati.
    • Added context for Corellia and the Liberation. There is nothing we know about Peko-Peko Munzati and we've agreed on Discord that Capital City is self-contextualizing. CanePlayz (talk) 02:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
  • A few varying sw.com articles I've found missing from sources, please check: 1 2 3 4 5 6.—spookywillowwtalk 18:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Currently working on integrating all of them, I need to clear up some formalities about Blog posts on the Discord server first. CanePlayz (talk) 03:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
      • Done, two of your posts actually contained new information (one for the body, one for the BTS), thanks! CanePlayz (talk) 11:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Braha
  • Context for Spectres in the intro. You also seem to give context only in its second instance in the bio.
  • Context for Kessel Run, Mining Guild, Rebels Recon, JP Balmet, Dave Filoni, Pablo Hidalgo, Black One.
  • Hera Syndulla is linked at least one instance too late and is given different context with it.
    • That's completely true, fixed. CanePlayz (talk) 11:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Since Corellian is a denonym, I think it'd be good to include the species of Tivoche Bilure as well.
  • Age of the Empire could use its own subsections.
  • I think it would be worth mentioning the placing of the Call in the rebels series, specifically its season and episode numbers. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 01:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
  • " Yushyn, the boss of the gas refinery, ordered his guards to keep the space creatures from feeding on the Clouzon-36. Pursuing their plan, Sabine Wren, a Mandalorian member of the Spectres, was about to use explosives…" whose plan? The Mining Guild's or the Spectres'?
  • "That forced the Spectres to alter their plan and Bridger was knocked off his gun emplacement by a laser blast." Who's laser blasting Ezra all of a sudden?
    • Should be clearer now. CanePlayz (talk) 17:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
  • "The Purrgil King also saved Bridger from asphyxiation by finding his helmet." Ok, so Ezra's helmet is now separated from him. Did that happen when he was knocked off or what?
  • "That connection enabled him to team up with the group of purrgil in their fight against the Mining Guild. The purrgil helped the Rebels by destroying one of the TIE fighters and dragging Yushyn into the crater…" Ok, I feel like you made a little time jump here. Can you explain that they began another attack? And also the TIE fighters feels out of nowhere, the Mining Guild's TIE fighters or some thing like that would be better.
    • I hope it's better now. CanePlayz (talk) 17:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
  • "during the Liberation of Lothal from Imperial control" I'm not into the fact you mention the event with Lothal's name before you introduce what Lothal actually is. I'd recommend something like "during the liberation of the Imperial occupied planet Lothal" or something like that. Occupation of Lothal would be a beneficial link in that case as well. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 12:16, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
  • The 7th Fleet is introduced as 7th and Seventh in the intro and body respectively. I'd advise some consistency on how that's handled. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 14:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Can you source the context of Corellia to Solo? This also applies to Lothal. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 11:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
    • Nope, I can't. Added refs now, thanks. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 12:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Samonic
  • Can Purrgil be considered "Hyperspace technology"? I do not think a living being is technology… (I say this because of the category "Hyperspace technology")
    • You're right, don't know how I've never questioned that category being there. CanePlayz (talk) 10:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
  • (Review note) Nice work.— Samonic ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol 09:32, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Pronouns shouldn't link to gender per the new rules.
  • Dating in the intro?
  • In "Behavior and intelligence," you say that the leader of a purrgil pod was referred to as the "Purrgil King," linking to a specific purrgil. If this is an individual, you should move the mention of the "Purrgil King" to an appropriate "History" subsection.
    • Yep, that is an individual. And you're right, currently it sounds like that's a general name or title for them. Changed. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Duplicate links.
    • Whoops, no idea how they sneaked in. Removed. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
  • I see that you source the usage of "whale" to Creatures Big & Small. You should only source that word to the book the first time you call the purrgil "whales" in the body per precedent.
  • You should probably mention that purrgil had brains in "Biology and appearance;" you only mention it in "History" right now.
  • Do we know where the "crashing moons" were located?
  • Dating for the Clone Wars.
  • Why do you mention Solo's gender? I don't think it's necessary.
    • No idea, probably how I did context back in the day. I've removed it, if anyone is missing it, they can hit me up. :P CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Context for Nevarro and Peko-Peko Munzati. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 15:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
    • Added context for Nevarro. Not sure what I should add for Munzati. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
      • Do we know what his occupation was? eg. a pilot, a vassal, a warrior… Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 19:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Reminder for self: Noting that I have to check The Skywalker Saga's mention of purrgil.Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 12:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 02:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

ThrawnChiss
CC-8
  • The biology and appearance section still needs to start with an introductory sentence that specifies them as a species
    • What exactly do you think of? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
      • Just after a "Purrgil were a species of whales that lived in space" kind of line, the body section always needs to reintroduce the article subject Commander Code-8 Hello There! 07:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
        • Oh ok, that makes sense. Added. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 19:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Per the layout guide the heading for the Behavior section should be Behavior and intelligence
  • The content about Purrgil's being sighted aboard the Halcyon needs to be moved to a more chronologically accurate point after 382 BBY is mentioned Commander Code-8 Hello There! 08:19, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Do we know when that sighting took place? Sorry, I don't have the source at hand. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 16:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
      • According to the Halcyon article, the ship was constructed in 241 BBY, so the information concerning the sightings aboard that ship need to be moved so that they're after the events that are dated to 382 BBY. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 07:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
  • "That forced the crew to alter their plan" how exactly did they alter it?
    • They basically just improvized, Kanan and Sabine secured the landing zone and Ezra covered them with a cannon. Should that be mentioned in the article? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 12:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Grogu's sighting in The Mandalorian needs a date
  • If the mispelling of Purrgil takes place in the Clone Wars episodes captions, it should be specified Commander Code-8 Hello There! 06:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
    • It was actually misspelled on Tech's visor, I've specified that. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 12:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Needs an update in the BTS to acknowledge this: StarWars.com SWCE 2023: 10 Things We Learned from the Ahsoka Panel on StarWars.com (backup link) Commander Code-8 Hello There! 13:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
    • Sorry, what exactly from that article needs to be covered? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 02:36, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
      • Just the hint that the "space whales" will appear in Ahsoka, figure it's worth covering temporarily til the show comes out. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 12:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Referring to Grogue as Din Grogue and using an extra reference there is unnecessary, as he was only referred to as Grogu at that time. That should be all from me. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 11:59, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
    • You'd need to blame Samonic for that :P Just joking, I've reversed that one. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 06:53, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
    • Sorry, seems like I didn't pipelink it like I thought I did. :P Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 09:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Rewatched The Call: Here's some content that still needs to be covered
    • When the crew first encounters the purrgil Ezra's the only one to hear it, he describes them as making kind of a sad sound, and no one else believes him until they actually see the purrgil (This might be worth mentioning in behavior and intelligence too)
    • Should specify that both Hera and Kanan recognize them
    • Ezra then stops hearing their sounds when the purrgil calm down
    • The Mining Guild had set up guns to fire on the purrgil
    • One of the purrgil flies alongside Ezra and co as they jump out of the Ghost
    • Before getting knocked off the platform, Ezra sees a purrgil flying through the gas and realizes how they use it
    • Ezra also mentions that he can see what the purrgil are thinking
    • Ezra rides on one of the purrgil until they pass the Ghost
  • That section also should make it clearer that Ezra realizes that they can't detonate the gas without injuring the purrgil. I'd also recommend doing a thorough rewatch to cover everything. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 09:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks, I've re-worked that section by adding new stuff and reworing some of the old stuff, probably needs a copy-edit from a native speaker but I think it covers all of the relevant stuff now. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 21:14, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • You should review the recent additions due to the new source and make sure that it's all accurate and worded in a way you like. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 22:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
AC
  • In the New Republic Era section, you should state that Grogu and Din were in their ship and provide the model as well.
  • In the BTS, you should state the season and episode number "On the Wings of Keeradaks." You should word it similarly to how you did for "The Call." AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 12:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
  • It looks like there's some information/text in the image you provided in the BTS. Is there anything of value that could be added to the BTS? AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 23:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
    • The only thing I could imagine is that some marks on their bodies in the concept art are actually identified as "wounds" which goes well with their overall story. Would that be worth mentioning in the biology section? CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 19:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Lew
  • Kessel isn't located in the Mid Rim but the Outer Rim
  • You should try to reduce some of the refs being used, for example Bar'leth being a Core Worlds planet is citable to the Traveler's Guide
    • Fixed that one, thanks. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 21:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
      • I don't want to just list them out myself, but to name 2 more Lothal being an Outer Rim planet is citable to the same source, and the Ghost being a modified VCX is citable to USWNE. My advice is to just check if some of the others Lewisr (talk) 23:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
        • Yep, I was planning on doing that, but I'm quite busy at the moment hence I only fixed that one. Will do it soon. :) CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 11:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
          • Still ongoing as discussed via discord
  • I believe you should try to include when Paige's journal was written by, since we know when she died, and you could also link to it Paige Tico's journal Lewisr (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I think you could establish where the Jedi Archives were
    • Yup done. I decided to let the incoming Ahsoka edits settle first and clear them up afterwards then (and that point has come now) CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 11:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
      • Fair idea! Lewisr (talk) 17:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
  • BTS surronding Ahsoka should be updated to reflect it is now out Lewisr (talk) 23:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Yup, done. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 11:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
      • After bringing it up with another Inq, you should remove the Ahsoka stuff and instead just state that the purrgil made their first appearance in live action in Mando S3 Lewisr (talk) 23:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
  • The Rebels final scene with Sabine having the purrgil on her armor now takes place in 9 ABY per Ahsoka, so this will need updating to reflect Lewisr (talk) 23:34, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Alright, thanks for making me aware, changed. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 11:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
  • You should note about the Nighsisters referring to the purrgil as the 'travelers' Lewisr (talk) 04:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Yup, added, thanks. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 14:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
      • I think the Dathomirians could use just a tiny bit of context, simply just saying species would suffice
  • The page is missing the first two sources to depict the purrgil, these two, so the BTS will need updating to reflect. You'll also need to note they were first id'ed in the Call episode (both in the apps section and BTS) Lewisr (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Comments

  • My copy-edit. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 12:16, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
  • New source for your article. SilverSunbird (talk) 20:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Another mention in TSS, I added the Mo appearance. NPC named "Wandering Purrgil" in Pasaana's forbidden valley says "My new name is "Wandering Purrgil". As soon as I arrived here I felt my aura recalibrate and I am definitely on the Purrgil wavelength. Now, if you will excuse me, it's time to wave these dorsal fins to the beat!" so needs a small mention. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 12:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
    • Thanks for letting me know and adding it. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 09:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
  • New appearance: Chapter 17: The Apostate — once you've seen the episode, will need to complete this addition. A few edits have been made putting in some of this content, but the dating for it and other cleanup will need to be done by FAN standards.—spookywillowwtalk 18:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Now that Index pages are active, you could make one for the Purrgil article if you would like. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 12:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks, maybe I'll make one down the road. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 22:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Another thing to add per The High Republic: Quest for Planet X :P It should be noted the purrgil share their name with the starship Purrgil's Dream Lewisr (talk) 20:18, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
  • I just added some minor corrections/overall cleanup: italicizing Grapnel, added a link to the fishing crew, and fixed the spelling of "abord" to "aboard".—Vuvalan ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol (talk) 05:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
  • While I think the article is nearly done, I would recommend that you make weekly updates of the Ahsoka content, so it doesn't pile up when the show ends. AmazinglyCool Nightsisters symbol - JFO (talk) 17:17, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Yup, I'll certainly try to do that as soon as something comes up. CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 18:47, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Make sure to add that Huyang mentioned purgill and their intergalactic migrations in the "History" section. ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 11:56, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
        • Is Huyang stating that worth an entry in the history section? But sure, I'll add it if you say so. :) CanePlayz Jedi symbol (Talk) 14:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)

  1. Inqvote Currently doesn't meet standard of FAN rule #6 stability, was brought to nominator's attention prior to vote starting. Can be renominated once article is not recieving new sources.—spookywillowwtalk 19:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Messaged Cane about this, hope to see it back one day Lewisr (talk) 19:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Imperators II(Talk) 19:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)