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Olaris Rhea

(6 Inqs/1 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Inqvote Rhead all about it. -- —Harrar (Cut the comm chatter) 17:26, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote IFYLOFD (You will pay the price for your lack of vision!) 21:19, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Jedi Kasra (talk) 22:34, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 22:04, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote A few things are worded a touch cumbersomely, but I think it is mostly rheady and nonetheless rheadable. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 00:18, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Just another victim in the ever-growing Skywalker body count. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 00:23, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Inqvote She never had a chance. Vestara would have killed her sooner or later anyway.—Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG (No truth in me) 17:43, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Object

  1. IFYLOFD:
    • In the intro, you refer to Ship as if it is sentient; establish if this is so.
      • Well it's not really specified whether or not Ship is sentient, it is implied that he/it is self-aware, but I think it's too speculative to put in the article.
    • Give more context for Sinkhole Station in the intro and in the bio.
      • Addressed.
    • Give context on the One Sith.
      • Addressed.
    • Give context on beyond shadows.
      • Addressed.
    • "She was known to be a strict teacher; however, she had a soft spot for her apprentice, Khai, of whom she was very fond." This is rather repetitive; saying she had a soft spot for Khai basically says she was fond of her anyway.
      • Addressed.
    • In the BtS, mention that her first name was first given as Olaris in Abyss.
      • Addressed.
    • Nice job. IFYLOFD (You will pay the price for your lack of vision!) 00:10, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Harrar
    • From the way I read the whirlpool scene, it's Ahri Raas who saves Vestara and Olaris. Can you re-read and re-check this please. For speed's sake, it's p. 193.
      • Re-checked, and Rhea uses the Force to save them both, then Ahri pulls them to shore after they're out of the whirlpopol. Fixed. Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 16:12, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  3. From the Sith Meditation Sphere Moffship of Grand Moff Tranner:
    • Only one thing: In the BTS, you say: "In Abyss, Abeloth tempts Rhea to capture the Skywalkers instead of killing them by suggesting that, should she succeed in the task, Rhea would be given a seat on the Circle of Lords, and made High Lord of the Tribe. However, in Omen, Rhea was clearly stated to already be one of the High Lords—also known as Ladies—on the Circle of Lords." - I'm a little fuzzy on the events of Omen (and even Abyss), but isn't Rhea just a Lady, not a High Lady? (The BTS note should stay either way, since she is on the Circle of Lords when Abeloth tempts her with the offer.) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 17:11, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
      • Nope, she is a High Lady, per this line on page 92 of Omen: "Next to him on either side were seated the High Lords, two of whom were female and actually addressed as "Lady"." Thanks for the review Tran. Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 20:59, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
        • So you're saying one of those two females is Rhea? Because if that's not the case, it doesn't satisfy my objection at all. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 23:56, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
          • Yes, I'm saying one of them is Rhea. To confirm this further, later on page 92, when Vestara looks over to the High Lords, she catches Rhea's eye. If this isn't enough, I'll add that to assume that the Tribe's title of "Lady" is equivalent to their title of "Lord" is speculative (there are no examples of this given anywhere in either of the two novels), whereas it states clearly that "Lady" is equivalent to "High Lord" in Omen. Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 17:47, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
            • Then the article needs to reflect the fact that she is a High Lady and not just a Lady. Lady = Lord, High Lady = High Lord. That's common sense. The line in question from Omen is merely pointing out that female members of the Circle of Lords would be addressed by the feminine form of their title. There's no reason to believe that female High Lords would be addressed as merely "Lady" if female Lords would also have to use the same gender-specific title. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:03, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Blacklist:
    • Before this is approved I have to disagree with Jonjedigrandmaster. The part that you use from Omen to justify that Olaris was a High Lady with regards to Vestara catching her eye is moot; it simply says that "As she turned back to the High Lords her gaze was caught and held for a moment by Lady Rhea…" Furthermore, in Abyss, the conversation between Olaris and Abeloth is as follows:
    • And what is it they will call you when you sit in the Circle, Lady Rhea? Lady Rhea, High Lord of the Sith?"
      "That would be the correct title, yes. If I am chosen."
      "You shall be, High Lady Rhea. Have no doubt.
    • Rhea's very last sentence states that she had not yet been chosen for the position of High Lord, and Abeloth's reply speaks of Rhea as a High Lady in future tense meaning it hadn't happened yet. Please fix the article to reflect this.—Tommy9281 (No truth in me) 03:20, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
      • I'm going to once again disagree with this decision. My reasoning is as follows: First, the first line from Omen shown above was not my main point, nor my only point, it was just one more thing suggesting that Rhea was among the High Lords. Secondly, as I said above, Omen states clearly that "Lady" = "High Lord", it does not say anything to suggest that "Lady" = "Lord". While this is, as Tranner said, "common sense," it is also unverified speculation, and therefore cannot be put in any article. If we must continue with such useless speculation, however, then I could add that the fact that she handpicked the strike team alongside the Grand Lord, the fact that she was chosen to lead the strike team, and the fact that she often spoke for the entire Circle of Lords during their important meetings, all point to her being a High Lord, rather than a Lord. However, I believe we are leaving speculation behind us. So, as Omen is Rhea's first appearance, I am treating that as canon, and I am treating the line in Abyss as a mishap. If you are going to continue to disagree with me, I suppose I will have no choice but to change it, however I feel very strongly that this proposed change is incorrect speculation, and I will continue to hold this position until you get someone on the FotJ team to confirm otherwise. Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 17:08, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
        • Show me where in Omen your claim can be verified. Everything I find shows explicit distinction between Sith Lord and High Lord, so I'd be interested to see where I am overlooking what you claim to be fact. Also, the dramatis personae of Abyss identifies Olaris Rhea as a Sith Lord, and the book on several occasions corroborates this: "A pale blond woman with pale blue eyes, Lady Rhea had a regal, lithe frame and an austere beauty as imposing as it was striking. Her manner tended to vacillate between self-assured and arrogant-not that she cared what Vestara or anyone else thought of her. She was a Sith Lord of Kesh, and it was others who needed to worry about what she thought of them." It goes on in several other instances to refer to Rhea as a Sith Lord, not ever as a High Lord. Your choice to treat the latter of the two canon sources as a mishap is a choice that will continue to hinder this article from reaching FA status. I apologize if you took offense to the wording of my objection, but the facts are there in both books, even if you choose to interpret them otherwise.—Tommy9281 (No truth in me) 22:47, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
          • No worries, no offense taken :). My claim is on page 92 of Omen, where it states that the female High Lords "were actually addressed as 'Lady'." So the fact that Rhea is addressed as "Lady" is what causes me to believe she is a High Lord. (It does not say that the plain female "Lords" were addressed as "Lady", even if this would seem to be common sense, so to assume that this is so seems speculative. However, your points about the Abyss dramatis personae etc. are valid as well. I suggest you take a brief look at page 92 (third paragraph on the page), and check out the full statement. If you still disagree, then I'll go ahead and change it. Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 23:05, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
            • I figured that's the section you were talking about. I'm still going to have to stick to my gunz though and request that you make adjustments, thanks.—Tommy9281 (No truth in me) 03:37, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
    • "Rhea and her new apprentice served in the Tribe's armada aboard the captured warship Eternal Crusader." What is the significance of this information in the part of the intro where you have it? It seems out of place in its current location, and you might want to move it somewhere further down when you start talking about the strike team and their mission.
      • It's there because that's the order that it happened. They served on the Crusader in the armada for two years before the strike team was formed.
        • Okay.
    • You also need to explicitly state that Rhea was a Sith Lord, not just a Lord of the Circle of Lords.
      • Hmm, at this point, I think the two are the same. If Rhea is a Lord on the Circle, and according to the Abyss dramatis personae she is a Sith Lord, then the two Lords are the same rank, so I'll go ahead and merge them when I have the time. Anyway, addressed.
    • The majority of the second paragraph of the intro reads like it could be from anyone's bio. Please fix it to read more from Rhea POV.
      • Addressed.
    • "Ship then revealed to the Tribe that, over the last several thousand years the Sith Empire had been all but destroyed, and only a few Sith remained in hiding." Does this mean that it took the last several thousand years to destroy the Sith Empire?
      • Well, yes: the Sith Empire was destroyed and the remaining Sith were forced into hiding over the last several thousand years. It's taken the last several thousand years for those things to happen. I don't really see why this needs to be changed.
        • Because the Sith Empire that Ship was speaking of was destroyed in 5,000 BBY.—Tommy9281 (No truth in me) 05:12, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
          • Addressed.
    • I believe that the P&A can use a bit of an expansion.
      • Unfortunately, there's no more information about her powers than what is there.
        • You can talk about her telekinesis, and her ability to read the thoughts of others.
          • When did she read others' thoughts? Was it in Omen? (I am currently out of town, so I can't check which novel it was to be sure). Partially addressed.
            • I was actually wrong about the thought reading. In fact, she say specifically that she cannot read them lol. You've addressed it, and I'll take care of the rest.
    • That's all.—Tommy9281 (No truth in me) 04:38, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Not yet.—Tommy9281 (No truth in me) 03:20, October 15, 2009 (UTC)