- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
Morellian
- Nominated by: ~Savage
23:39, February 25, 2012 (UTC) - Nomination comments: A hair of 1,000 words. Pretty much boils down to long-lived Humans. ~Savage 23:39, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
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—Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 02:59, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
- Oops. Thanks for the period purge. I totally forgot! ~Savage 12:35, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
- Heh. No worries. You got them on your other FAN, so I figured it was just a little slip.—Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 14:10, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
- Heh. No worries. You got them on your other FAN, so I figured it was just a little slip.—Cal Jedi
- Oops. Thanks for the period purge. I totally forgot! ~Savage
- The most badass species infobox picture evah. Menkooroo 05:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
- --Eyrezer 11:14, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
- IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 01:25, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Plagueis327 05:11, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:38, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
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Should Near-Human be capitalized? Body does but intro doesn't.- I feel like Bio & appearance should get the same comprehensive treatment that other Species articles do --- I'm uneasy about simply saying that they look like Humans and not going into any more detail. Eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs, number of fingers, etc, all seem like essential detail. I can't think of any precedent for leaving info out and relying on a link to another (non-status) article to provide it.
- The last sentence of Society & culture reads like repeated info; could it be folded into the previous "signature weapon" sentence to avoid repetition?
Probably nitpicky, but the article alternates between "Alliance to Restore the Republic" and "Rebel Alliance" without really making it clear that the two are the same. Maybe best to stick with one; I always recommend the latter for the benefit of more casual fans.:) All from me! Menkooroo 04:18, March 5, 2012 (UTC)- Thanks for the review! Take a look again; I've addressed most of your concerns sans the biology one. For that, take a look at Argazdan, an article I have in the pipeline, and another near-Human species. Is that what you have in mind? My concern is that I don't think it's warranted to go into too much detail like I would with most other species, since "Human" is a term that largely (at least biologically) means the same thing in the Star Wars universe as it does in ours. In that respect, we treat it like "head" or "eye" and assume that readers will know what we mean. But Argazdan goes into a bit more detail than Morellian; is it a good amount of detail, or are you looking for even more? ~Savage 19:07, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- I'd like to see it like Argazdan but even deeper. Eyes are the same in the SW Universe, but if one were to FA Sith Meditation Sphere, simply saying it looked like an eye wouldn't be enough --- they'd have to go into detail about how it did so. Similarly, an article on something that resembles a Human should go into detail about how it does so. Most importantly, Wookieepedia is a catalogue of In-Universe information, and OOU knowledge shouldn't at all affect what goes into the IU stuff. That's why we even provide context on Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. Just as a hypothetically FA'd Human would need to spell out everything, so should any FA on a near-Human species. Otherwise, it's incomplete. Menkooroo 19:32, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- I see where you're coming from, but we have to draw the line somewhere. We don't say, for instance, "When battling Darth Vader on the planet Bespin, Luke Skywalker lost his hand, an extremity of the Human species with five manipulators known as fingers." :P I'm just not sure what exactly deserves mention that I haven't talked about with my recent additions. Is there anything else in particular you had in mind? ~Savage 20:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- We definitely have to draw a line, but I'm not sure you're catching my point --- that kind of detail about a hand doesn't belong in Luke's article, but it does belong in Limb. Limb is an article that would need to fully describe every kind of limb in order to be Featured, even if real-life people know what a Human arm is, just as Morellian is an article that needs to fully describe Morellians in order to be Featured, even if real-life people know what a Human is. Your additions look good, but the image also reveals cranial hair. Fingernails and eyebrows are also visible --- they might not seem all that necessary in a near-Human article, but they would definitely be mentioned in the ground-up approach that other species articles get, and that I think should, to a degree, also be the approach here. It doesn't look like there are any images revealing legs, but does any of the source material mention them or maybe hint at them? A Morellian walking, running, etc? Menkooroo 22:38, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- A bit of clarification: By ground-up approach, I'm wondering if the article could describe them in full before comparing them to another species, rather than leading off with the comparison and then foregoing some of the description. Right now, Humans kind of seem like the focus of Bio & Appearance, rather than Morellians. Something like "They were Humanoid, they had arms, fingers, eyebrows, hair, etc. Their appearance was very similar to Humans, and they were classified as near-Humans." That's the approach I've always seen you take with other species articles, and it always works out well. Does that make sense? Menkooroo 23:21, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry; I should've been clearer. I get your point about bottom-up writing, but I still think that Human (in an article about something else) should be treated like limb or window or pants (in an article about something else). That said, I've added as much detail as I can to the "Biology and appearance" (unfortunately, no mention of legs anywhere, though dollars to donuts they have them). I've left the comparison to Humans first since I feel that for a near-Human species with such similarities, that is something quite remarkable. Otherwise, that's as detailed as we can get from the source material. What d'ya think? ~Savage 14:57, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's lunchtime. :) Sorry for such a long-winded objection. Menkooroo 05:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry; I should've been clearer. I get your point about bottom-up writing, but I still think that Human (in an article about something else) should be treated like limb or window or pants (in an article about something else). That said, I've added as much detail as I can to the "Biology and appearance" (unfortunately, no mention of legs anywhere, though dollars to donuts they have them). I've left the comparison to Humans first since I feel that for a near-Human species with such similarities, that is something quite remarkable. Otherwise, that's as detailed as we can get from the source material. What d'ya think? ~Savage
- A bit of clarification: By ground-up approach, I'm wondering if the article could describe them in full before comparing them to another species, rather than leading off with the comparison and then foregoing some of the description. Right now, Humans kind of seem like the focus of Bio & Appearance, rather than Morellians. Something like "They were Humanoid, they had arms, fingers, eyebrows, hair, etc. Their appearance was very similar to Humans, and they were classified as near-Humans." That's the approach I've always seen you take with other species articles, and it always works out well. Does that make sense? Menkooroo 23:21, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- We definitely have to draw a line, but I'm not sure you're catching my point --- that kind of detail about a hand doesn't belong in Luke's article, but it does belong in Limb. Limb is an article that would need to fully describe every kind of limb in order to be Featured, even if real-life people know what a Human arm is, just as Morellian is an article that needs to fully describe Morellians in order to be Featured, even if real-life people know what a Human is. Your additions look good, but the image also reveals cranial hair. Fingernails and eyebrows are also visible --- they might not seem all that necessary in a near-Human article, but they would definitely be mentioned in the ground-up approach that other species articles get, and that I think should, to a degree, also be the approach here. It doesn't look like there are any images revealing legs, but does any of the source material mention them or maybe hint at them? A Morellian walking, running, etc? Menkooroo 22:38, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- I see where you're coming from, but we have to draw the line somewhere. We don't say, for instance, "When battling Darth Vader on the planet Bespin, Luke Skywalker lost his hand, an extremity of the Human species with five manipulators known as fingers." :P I'm just not sure what exactly deserves mention that I haven't talked about with my recent additions. Is there anything else in particular you had in mind? ~Savage
- I'd like to see it like Argazdan but even deeper. Eyes are the same in the SW Universe, but if one were to FA Sith Meditation Sphere, simply saying it looked like an eye wouldn't be enough --- they'd have to go into detail about how it did so. Similarly, an article on something that resembles a Human should go into detail about how it does so. Most importantly, Wookieepedia is a catalogue of In-Universe information, and OOU knowledge shouldn't at all affect what goes into the IU stuff. That's why we even provide context on Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. Just as a hypothetically FA'd Human would need to spell out everything, so should any FA on a near-Human species. Otherwise, it's incomplete. Menkooroo 19:32, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review! Take a look again; I've addressed most of your concerns sans the biology one. For that, take a look at Argazdan, an article I have in the pipeline, and another near-Human species. Is that what you have in mind? My concern is that I don't think it's warranted to go into too much detail like I would with most other species, since "Human" is a term that largely (at least biologically) means the same thing in the Star Wars universe as it does in ours. In that respect, we treat it like "head" or "eye" and assume that readers will know what we mean. But Argazdan goes into a bit more detail than Morellian; is it a good amount of detail, or are you looking for even more? ~Savage
- Another option here is to describe what a near-Human is, ie, as I did in Arhan. --Eyrezer 11:14, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
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Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 12:38, April 28, 2012 (UTC)