Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Darth Bane/Legends (second nomination)

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Darth Bane

(6 Inqs/6 Users/12 Total)

Support

  1. Nominated. This article was stripped of its FA status a while ago. Chack Jadson 21:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 13:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Greyman(Paratus) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Jaina Solo(Talk) 18:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  6. Great article. Jediknight19bby (Jedi High Council Chambers!) 18:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  7. Love it Dark Lord Xander 06:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  8. Very well written. Victor (talk) 01:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  9. Inqvote Thefourdotelipsis 23:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  10. It's one of the better articles i've seen on Wookieepedia. Destroyer Droid 20:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  11. Impressive. Good work. Hobbes15(Tiger Headquarters) 05:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
  12. Inqvote --Eyrezer 05:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Object

  1. I really hate to have to do this but since I read it a few days ago there's an edit war brewing over whether Revan's holocron should be listed as one of Bane's masters (it clearly shouldn't) and over his eye colour. There's also now a [source?] tag in the behind the scenes section and somebody's messed up one of the references so that it no longer has a name listed. Until those issues are resolved I have to object. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Actually, forget the reference bit, Greyman's fixed it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  2. Per GT. This is a really annoying thing to have going on, but until the edit conflict is resolved, I unfortunately have to withdraw my support as well. Greyman(Paratus) 15:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  3. I can't support this while muppets keep adding Revan in the "master" field and "yellow" in eye colour. QuentinGeorge 21:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  4. You might need to clarify the bit about Lucas creating the character a bit more since it would appear that not everybody's happy with it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  5. I think more from the duel with Kas'im should be included, including his trick with 2 lightsabers that he'd concealed from Bane.
    • The bit about Rain finding her own way off Ruusan, is that actually in JvS as referenced?
      • It's from the Dark Forces Saga and New Essential Chronology - it, however, is referenced incorrectly in the article. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Some of the P&T doesn't seem very well strung together. There is also some overlap that should be avoided.
    • "Bane was independent, defying Qordis, and heading to Lehon instead of joining Kaan's army. After Lehon, Bane became confident in his supremely talented self. He manipulated others for his own purposes, not telling Githany or Kas'im about the private lessons he was taking with them" - the order of this needs to be reversed. It is as though going to Lehon led to the manipulation but the timing was the other way around.
    • The BTS on his origins should be expanded, making more mention of his specific appearances and how that developed.
    • Also the article makes no mention of the conflicts between JvS and POD. Surely this needs to go in the BTS at least. --Eyrezer 01:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Actually, add in a in-depth continuity section, as there is many continuity differences between Bane's first mention in TPM novel, his appearances in Bane of the Sith and JvS, and then in PoD. He's a walking continuity nightmare, and Karpyshyn's disdain for canon hasn't helped. As it stands, it seems to heap all the blame on BotS and give the impression the others are saintly and without taint. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Some of the references are wrong, (notably the elements from NEC are incorrectly labelled as Bane of the Sith) and there is a persistent troll intent on proving to all us misguided folks that Bane of the Sith is "noncanon". (It isn't, and said troll has been told as much many times before). QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Right, now said troll's essay has been added to the article. It needs to be removed, or at the very least, heavily trimmed. At the moment it is a painfully fanboyish harangue against KJA and Bane of the Sith in particular. I have no qualms on an actual "continuity curiousities" section, but it needs to be a) sourced b) free of POV and agenda pushing and C) Map ALL the continuity of Bane and the Ruusan-era Sith, starting from Bane's Lucas conception, through his depiction in the TPM novel, THEN the concurrent release of JvS and BotS, then the depiction of Kaan et al in the Dark Forces flashback, THEN the depiction in PoD. As it currently stands, the section reads like some sort of diatribe on why BotS is horrible and non-canon and KJA a hack because of "contradictions" with later source material. I am not in any sense of form a big fan of KJA, but this sort of agenda-pushing leaves me cold. QuentinGeorge 06:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  7. The last three paragraphs of "Personality and traits" consist of two sentences each. Expand each of them enough to warrant such paragraphing, or elegantly merge the three. --Imperialles 19:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
    • The above problem applies to the "Powers and abilities" section as well. One- or two-sentence paragraphs just doesn't look very good. Could you have a quick look at the section? --Imperialles 13:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Introduction: "Palpatine's rule as Emperor would continue until his defeat at the hands of Anakin Skywalker, formerly Darth Vader, and his son, Luke, two decades later." What's the relevance? Can we remove this sentence? --Imperialles 13:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Speculation in BTS: "Also, Bane is an English name which means "long-awaited child." Though there is no current proof that the English name applies, there may yet be undisclosed information concerning his family life and childhood. It is also possible that this meaning is implying how important he was to the dark side, reaffirming the possibility of him as the long awaited Sith'ari." --Imperialles 14:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
  8. From the longship of Imperialles:
    • 4.0: "A Darth Bane action figure was just announced at San Diego Comic Con 2007. He will be part of a new Evolutions set, featuring Darth Nihilus, and a shirtless Darth Maul. It can be seen here." Relevance? Either remove this, or create a Merchandise section.
    • 4.1: "Jan Duursema's depiction of Bane in Star Wars Legacy was in fact based on the partially completed costume of a fan, Thomas J. Spanos." This should either be merged with an existing paragraph, or expanded enough to warrant a separate paragraph.
    • 4.2: This entire section reads like a list. It could use a rewrite.
    • Thank you. --Imperialles 16:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments

Approved by Inquisitorius 18:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Nice job on clearing up the points I left for you, Chack. Greyman(Paratus) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Sourced the {{fact}} in Bts. Chack Jadson 11:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Hey everyone, this conflict has been fixed. Chack Jadson 11:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
        • I'm abstaining my vote because I haven't finished Path of Destruction yet and I don't want to be spoiled. Gonk (Gonk!) 19:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
          • The only reason I am not in 100% favor of making this a featured article, is because we haven't made an exact time-line with all the contradictions with the various sources, I still believe it deserves a spot as a featured article, though. Destroyer Droid 20:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Are there any objections that are not addressed?Hobbes15(Tiger Headquarters) 16:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)