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Col Serra

  • Nominated by: QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:17, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Han Solo clone #397

(4 Inqs/3 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Nice work. You definitely improved it from what it was before. ID-21 Dolphin 16:29, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Well written. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 19:31, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 15:40, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Cool.--Lord David 02:13, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Splendid! Menkooroo 15:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote — Fiolli 04:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Inqvote Green Tentacle (Talk) 18:02, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Object

Xicer
  • From smuggler to Rebel: In the second paragraph, you have two consecutive refs that lead to Battlefront: Renegade Squadron. Was one of them meant to be a different ref, or was there supposed to be another ref somewhere in-between the two?
    • A result of me shifting the sentences around during the writing… Addressed.
  • Any idea which IG-88 the Renegades fight in the game?
    • I have no clue, honestly.
  • On the run: "Eventually, Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker discovered the remote ice planet of Hoth..." He wasn't really a Knight yet at that point.
    • Addressed.
  • For the blog refs, could you use {{WebCite}} and provide some backup links?
    • Hopefully addressed. I'm not very good with that template.
  • Very well written, I always look forward to reading your video game articles. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 22:37, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Dicer
  • The intro talks about actions and battles of the Rebellion for a while before it introduces the Galactic Empire. This leaves a bit of the intro unclear --- who were the rebels retreating from when they evacuated Yavin? Who are they rebelling against? Introducing the Empire earlier would make things clearer, I think.
    • Addressed.
  • "A daring mission" seems kinda POV.
    • I don't think so, but whatever. Addressed.
      • I'm not gung ho about it; if you disagree, I'm totally willing to go for your opinion. As a show of good faith, I've changed it back. :^)
  • I feel like the opening sentence of the intro's third paragraph could use just a touch more context. It currently reads like the reader should already be familiar with the Battle of Endor. Even something as simple as "one year later" might do the trick... and as the intro didn't talk about any first Death Star, identifying the second one as belonging to the Empire is probably in order.
    • Addressed.
  • Is anything else known about how Serra and X2 fought their way to the Star Destroyer's reactor core? ie, what kind of opposition did they face? How did X2 destroy it? I'm guessing the specifics are probably the choice of the player, but, for example, were there stormtroopers?
    • Addressed.
  • "The fleet consisted of... and Renegade Squadron pilots." Were they in their starships? Kinda sounds like they're just flying people. :^P
    • Clarified.
  • Was Boba Fett fighting on the Empire's side in the Alderaan graveyard? The article kind of indirectly implies that, but isn't really clear on it.
    • Because it's not clear in the game either. He suddenly appears and says, "The holocron. You found it. I want it." Go figure.
  • How did the Renegades defeat IG-88? Was it a firefight? Is anything known about it?
    • Addressed.
  • Are any more details known about the rescue of Ackbar from the Star Destroyer? In the video game level, do you face stormtrooper opposition? Where inside the Destroyer is Ackbar held?
    • Considering that we don't know if Serra directly participated in the rescue, I feel that the specifics of this mission are not directly relevant to him and will stray the article from Serra's POV.
  • "the Renegades, on Serra's advice, cleared Chalmun's Cantina from the Imperials." Can you specify what clearing it from the Imperials means? I'm a little confused... :^( Also, Chalmun's Cantina needs a bit of context.
    • Both should be addressed.
  • " scattered throughout the town..." is the shipyard a town, or is the town something separate? If the latter: what town? If the former: It's called both a town and a shipyard in the same sentence, which is a little confusing.
    • Addressed.
  • "Solo used his fusioncutter to break them out..." Can you establish that Solo is with them at the beginning of the paragraph?
    • Addressed.
  • "thanks to a clever usage..." clever is kinda POV, maybe "unorthodox" or something might be a better word choice? Whaddya think?
    • Unorthodox implies something breaking from tradition, while there was nothing especially unique in the Renegades' strategy. They just distributed their limited defenses in a way that allowed them to defeat an overwhelming enemy force. I think clever is the most appropriate word here. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 18:14, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
      • Sounds good. Menkooroo 03:21, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • If the Imperial Agent wins the firefight in the cantina, then who are "the rest" that he lets go? Does he kill anybody? If not, how does he win? I feel bad asking this, as it's probably one of those video game situations that are tricky to translate to an encyclopedia article, buuuut is there any more detail you can give?
    • This is indeed tricky, as the fight is represented by a card game. Come to think of it, however, it is not stated in the scenario that they used weapons during the fight, so it could've been a brawl. I've changed the wording a bit.
  • The rebel that Serra recruited --- is he a character in the game? Should he have an article? That's a legitimate question, as I'm not familiar with the source. I'll leave it at your discretion.
    • The Rebel is the player's character, and I believe that we don't create articles for characters from SWGTCG, similar to how we refer to SWG player characters as spacers.
  • Same objection on their second battle with IG-88. "They defeated him..." how? In a fight? In a dejarik match?
    • Addressed.
  • Saying that the entire Imperial fleet was at Endor is a bit misleading.
    • Addressed.
  • Maybe a note in the bts about how Serra's destruction of Echo Base contradicts sources such as Darksaber that depict it as still there years later. ... Then again, maybe that would have a better home in the Echo base bts. Thoughts?
    • Honestly, I fail to see how that would be relevant to Serra's article. If anything, it deserves a mention in the Echo base or the Battle of Hoth articles. Besides, Renegade Squadron does not necessarily say that the base was completely obliterated and no trace of it was left. Obviously, some ruins were left standing. At the same time, Darksaber does not imply that the base was still intact in 12 ABY. On the contrary, Luke tells Callista that the base suffered "heavy damage" during the battle, and that he left the "wreckage of Echo Base" to train with Yoda. So, to me, there's no real contradiction at all. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:18, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • A very well-written article! I'm just looking for a bit more detail on some of the missions and the fights therein. All-in-all, really good work! Menkooroo 08:50, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
Green Tentacle
  • Nice try with the Wikipedia link for Rebellion Developments, but if they developed a Star Wars game they at least deserve a redlink. Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:47, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, it worked for X2 :P Redlinked. I may even create a stub later…or not. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:23, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 18:02, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't found any proof to the fact that he was voiced by Gideon Emery. Yes, Emery is listed in the credits for Renegade Squadron, but it is not specified whom he voiced there. Mr. Emery's portfolio that can be accessed from his official site says only that he portrayed some "Imperial commander" in Renegade Squadron, no mention of Serra. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:17, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

  • His Wook entry still says he voices Serra, as does Wikipedia. Also, aren't the SDs taken out at the end of Endor in Elite Squadron actually Vindicators? Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 19:46, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
    • Neither Wookieepedia nor Wikipedia are reliable sources, because anyone can add anything they want without citing their sources. And regarding your second point, the Star Destroyers were never called Vindicators in the game. Identifying them as such based on visual description alone would be speculative. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:23, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
      • True, just pointing out that there does exist information about Emery. And, "Editors may make straightforward mathematical calculations or logical deductions based on fully attributed data that neither change the significance of the data nor require additional assumptions beyond what is in the source. It should be possible for any reader without specialist knowledge to understand the deductions." Emphasis added. The ships look like Vindicators and are not deliberately specified not to be. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 22:47, October 25, 2010 (UTC)