Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/4-A7

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4-A7

  • Nominated by:--Editoronthewiki (talk) 04:36, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: With the war coming to a close, I figured it would make sense to look back at something from its start.

(3 Inqs/4 Users/7 Total)

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Support

  1. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 06:56, May 29, 2020 (UTC)
  2. --TheTrooperGuy (talk) 20:24, July 1, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Cwedin(talk) 15:14, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
  4. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 12:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Thanks for handling my objections on discord so promptly. Excellent work on this! Supreme Emperor Holocomm 03:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Objections handled via Discord. MasterFredCommerce Guild(talk) 22:28, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  7. Inqvote A good read, nice work. FYI have left a couple of reviewing notes below. Tommy-Macaroni 11:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Object

AV
  • Citation 12 is broken. Looks like you left his Class One degree out of the info box.
    • How should I fix this?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 13:14, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • Okay, I did a little research and it doesn't look like you can site the RA-7 being a Class 1 droid to Droidography. Per the descriptions of the droid degrees from Droidography and the Visual Encyclopedia, the RA-7 would be a Class 3. I would add a note along the lines of "Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia establishes that protocol droids are third class droids. As the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film depicts 4-A7 as an RA-7 protocol droid, he must be a third class droid." to the infobox alongside Class 3, while changing citation 13 to match. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:06, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
        • I have fixed that, but it is still saying the reference is invalid?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 17:29, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
          • Tooks care of the degree field not displaying. As for the citation being invalid, make sure your capitalization matches that of the parent citation. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:44, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • Per the Star Wars dot com Encyclopedia entry for the Twilight, the ship belonged to Ziro's criminal organization. Given his part in the plot to kidnap Rotta, this might be worth mentioning in the article. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:15, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • 4-A7's model was reused as Unidentified RA-7 protocol droid (Coruscant), would be worth mentioning in the Bts. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:47, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
    • Sorry to interject here, but I've checked Evil Plans' episode guide and it doesn't say anything about that droid's model being repurposed from 4-A7. Until there is concrete evidence, like The Jedi Who Knew Too Much's guide, I say we should leave it out. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 05:58, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • I took AV and Shay's points into account and simply noted it looks similar.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 16:51, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
        • Since 4-A7's character model was used a throughout the series for generic droids, I might see about taking the time to track down every time it was reused without alteration, rather than having the article pinpoint this single example. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:06, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
          • Should I describe what those droids do like I did for the Coruscant one, or simply list that they were there?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 17:46, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
            • Probsbly that they the model was present in whichever episodes. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:48, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
              • Based on what another objection is saying, I feel like it makes more sense for me to not list out every episode. Instead, I could note the similar looking droids exist and source it to several (maybe just three or so) episodes.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 00:16, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
                • Yeah, that makes sense, I agree with this change. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:27, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
                  • Should I get into episodes that use the updated model?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 21:08, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
                    • No, I shouldn't think you need to mention that in the Bts beyond the fact that 4-A7's model was updated into R-A7. If R-A7's model was used elsewhere in the series, that should go on their page. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 21:11, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
  • 4-A7 has a sizeable section in Star Wars: Build Your Own R2-D2 11 that contains new information. You can chase down User:Ayrehead02 for access to the source. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 20:52, May 29, 2020 (UTC)
UberSoldat
  • You can definitely cut down at least 2 of the big paragraphs, which would create room for sectioning. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 05:38, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
    • By cut down do you mean reduce word count or split them into separate paragraphs? As I think sectioning means creating subheaders?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 18:11, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • In the sources, you need to the list the base episode guide, not the gallery.
    • Looks like Cwedin fixed this while I was writing the objection. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 05:43, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • You can definitely add info on 4A-7's model being reused for another droid in The Jedi Who Knew Too Much, according to that gallery. Here, the gallery itself will be used to source this information. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 05:42, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
    • Look okay?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 17:17, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • Looks fine for now, but I feel that stuff like the episode seasons is a bit overkill. It doesn't really break the article in my opinion. Better to wait and see what other people think. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 17:31, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • Sourcing Jabba's species separately feels really unnecessary since we can clearly see him in the film.
    • Fixed that. Ultimate establishes the Dark Acolyte title and outright states Ventress kidnapped Rotta, so that is why it is used--Editoronthewiki (talk) 21:28, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm sure there's a more concrete source you can use to replace an old SWE entry for the Twilight.
    • I am not sure what you mean. It is only there to source it was part of Ziro's operation.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 21:28, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
      • I've checked the source and it doesn't really make it clear that Teth was occupied by the Separatists. The canon reference books I've checked all say it was within Hutt-controlled territory. Only the fortress was under Separatist control. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:17, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm also certain there are more quotes from 4-A7 you can include in the article, expanding existing quotes or replacing quotes from other characters.
  • "His gray body was also similar in appearance to the 3PO-series protocol droid." This is unnecessary and feels like speculation.
    • It is very similar to the 3PO series, and I feel like it should be included. There appear to be two in-universe models of RA-7s, those that have a similar body to 3POs and those that do not. As 4-A7 falls into the former category, it should be noted.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 16:01, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
      • Then in that case, every single RA-7 droid of that model has a similar body to a 3PO droid, which I believe would be redundant information on individual droid articles. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 16:17, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
  • "RA-7 was willing to answer and even warned him that the dungeons were dangerous" This is the first time in the article you mention "dungeons." Please elaborate on this.
    • Changed wording in second paragraph of the biography section to fix that--Editoronthewiki (talk) 16:40, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
  • Per Layout Guide, the film only requires the release year in the BTS. This also means you can say that the novelizations came out "before the film."
  • Context for A New Hope. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 10:07, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
  • You've had the update tag and redlink on the article for quite a while. Have you finished updating the article? UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 05:59, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
    • Sorry for the delay. I just needed to double check if some information needed to be added. It is almost done.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:07, June 10, 2020 (UTC)
  • Can you replace the SWE reference with something more recent? The precedent is to use it as sparingly as possible. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 09:54, September 4, 2020 (UTC)
  • So that this is official: Redlink needs to be cleared and the page updated. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:39, October 13, 2020 (UTC)
  • Please use {{AltayaCite}} for the booklet citation. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 08:06, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Cwedin
  • Just a few things in the BTS:
    • Can you add the full release dates for the film and novels?
      • The film can out in Europe first. Should I put the US release date?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 17:40, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
        • Yes, I would use the film's wide release date (15 August).
    • "Malevolence" should be italicized.
    • The novelization references should also be formatted. - Cwedin(talk) 05:56, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • More BTS:
    • Fourth sentence needs a full stop.
    • "An animation model[18] that looks very similar to 4-A7's[2] was later used in the[18] Season Three [19] episode "Evil Plans" as a RA-7 protocol droid on[18] the Republic capital world[20] of Coruscant.[18] For the[21] Season Five[22] episode..." and so on: There's a lot of superfluous info here that could be trimmed down.
      • Good?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 02:30, May 3, 2020 (UTC)
        • Better. You can also remove the references in "For the[19] Season Five[20] episode..." since all of that can be sourced to [19]. - Cwedin(talk) 02:52, May 3, 2020 (UTC)
    • I'd also recommend splitting the BTS into two paragraphs. - Cwedin(talk) 02:17, May 3, 2020 (UTC)
      • I still have some work to get done in it, but this has been done--Editoronthewiki (talk) 13:44, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
  • Some minor things:
    • The links to Confederacy should be removed, since that's a real world disambiguation page.
    • In the second intro paragraph, there's a stray "but."
    • In the bio: "a RA-7" --> "an RA-7."
    • The image captions should use characters' full names.
    • In the BTS, I don't think it's necessary to mention every instance of a similar animation model. Maybe something like "Animation models used for the RA-7 series in the television series look very similar to 4-A7's model," and then reference that sentence with some of the episodes.
    • "Star Wars Legends" should be identified as a continuity. - Cwedin(talk) 20:40, May 16, 2020 (UTC)
Braha'tok enthusiast
QGJ
  • The infobox death field can all be sourced with a single ref note, if you add a little additional context.
  • What exactly was "dangerous?" It's unclear what you are referring to here. Warning the Jedi Knight that it was dangerous
  • Same thing in the "Characteristics." When the Jedi Knight asked where Rotta was, RA-7 was willing to answer and even warned him that it was dangerous.
  • Do we need both refs for the release date of the two novelizations in the Bts? Can't we just stick with one?
    • Well, he first appeared in both, and they were released the same day. So I had figured it was needed.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 21:51, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
      • I meant this part: which were both released on July 26, 2008. It is currently sourced to both to the Year by Year book and the SW.com article. If both of those sources proviode the release date for the aforementioned books, we can just pick one source, having two refs is redundant in this case. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 09:51, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
        • Year by Year only provides the release date for the junior novel, so two refs are needed. But it looks like the SW.com reference doesn't actually mention the Del Rey novelization, so that should be replaced with an Amazon listing or something. - Cwedin(talk) 17:39, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
          • Could someone help me with that Amazon link? I have the url, back up link, and title there, but I am doing something wrong.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 20:55, May 28, 2020 (UTC)
            • I've fixed this for you. You had some wrong parameter names. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 06:56, May 29, 2020 (UTC)
  • Article is listed in Category:Espionage droids, but I don't see the term linked anywhere in the article. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 13:05, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
    • I had to use the term "spy droid," as that's the canon version.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 22:14, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
      • You are correct. I did not notice that the canon term is different, my bad. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 09:51, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
OOM
Zed
  • In the intro: "Turning her weapon against the protocol droid, 4-A7 told her to not dare kill him, only to then be swiftly decapitated." This wording seems to imply that 4-A7 is the one turning a weapon. Zed42 (talk) 10:14, September 4, 2020 (UTC)
Macaroni
  • Under errors, I don't see a reason to mention he didn't appear in the whole series, just the episode he's credited in should be fine. JediMasterMacaroniAdmiral Ackbar RH(Talk) 20:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
CC-8
  • A minor thing: The Battle of Teth is directly named in the intro but only pipelinked in the body, I think the full name should be used, even if it's not at the spot it's linked at. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 07:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Tommy
  • I have no formal objections, just a couple of reviewing notes for next time:
    • The correct order for file links goes as follows: [[File_name|thumb|position|size|caption]]. Sizes should also preferably be a multiple of 5, at the very least.
    • Watch out for duplicate links
    • Be careful about repeating "he" or "his" too many times in a row. The reader should never be confused about who those pronouns are referring to.
    • Per the Wookieepedia:Manual of Style#Formatting, "do not link individual words within proper compound nouns." This means we can't have things like Droid [[Army]].
    • When using multiple refs, they should be in ascending order ie [2][4][12][24], not [4][2][24][12]
  • See my copy edit for details. But very nice work with this! Tommy-Macaroni 11:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 11:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

  • There are several things I want community opinion on--Editoronthewiki (talk) 04:36, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
    • When Ahsoka lights her lightsaber after he calls her a servant girl, his arms are slightly raised, implying he was surprised/scared. I figure this is too much of an assumption, but I might as well ask.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 04:36, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • I think it would be safe to say he was startled by Ahsoka's actions. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 06:05, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
        • Should I put that in the characteristics section or biography?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 13:17, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
          • I don't think it was a characteristic, so I think the biography section. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 18:53, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
            • Well I put "seemingly" just in case it was part of his act. It probably was not, but just to be sure.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 23:26, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
    • When Ahsoka talks to him on the landing pad, he kind of seems nervous, but I also want community opinion to see if I should include that.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 04:36, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
    • I think I should continue to go through The Clone Wars episodes to see if his name appears in the credits of other episodes. I had just wanted this nomination up before Season Seven ended. Should I only be looking in the English credits? Disney plus does show some foreign credits at the end of episodes.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 04:36, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • Update on this: I checked the credits of all of season one and two. I will continue to go through and check each episode's credits in the coming days. I am only checking the blue credits that appear before the clip of R2-D2 presenting the logo.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 02:55, May 3, 2020 (UTC)
        • Well it has taken me too long to get back to this! I have gone through seasons three, four, and seven now. Sorry it has taken me so long to finish this part of the nomination.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 02:03, September 13, 2020 (UTC)
  • What is the canon source for the name 4-A7? If the only canon source that names the character is the episode guide, then the page needs to be moved to 4A7 with no dashes. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 05:23, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
    • The 4-A7 spelling comes from the film credits. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:33, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • Thanks for clarifying. Since Disney+ sometimes changes the subtitles from the blu-ray releases, I did confirm that both the blu-ray and Disney+ credits list him as 4-A7. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 06:08, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
  • Per a conversation I had via talk pages with User:DarthRuiz30, this article is now going with the assumption that the three battle droids were B1s. It will also make this project a lot easier.--Editoronthewiki (talk) 21:58, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
  • After observing this article for a while, it's my observation that this article is not suitable for nomination currently. Sources have been added since the nomination's beginning. Rule 1 of the nomination policy states that the article must be "well-written and comprehensively detailed". In my opinion, 4-A7 hasn't reached that point as it is still undergoing more updates. Since the nomination began, the article has gained a whopping 16k bytes in size. Every time the article undergoes such a change, it has to reviewed all over again, and more copy-edits have to be made to eliminate grammar and formatting errors. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:57, October 6, 2020 (UTC)