Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Unidentified Cloud City technician

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Unidentified Cloud City technician

  • Nominated by: Rokkur Shen (talk) 08:13, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:

(2 ECs/1 Users/3 Total)

Support

  1. I went through with another copy-edit and smoothed out some wording. Meets my standards, good job! Trak Nar Ramble on 06:33, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
  2. ECvote Do the cereal commercial alien next. Menkooroo (talk) 17:06, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
  3. ECvote 501st dogma(talk) 01:10, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Object

  1. What Trak can Track
    • I did a copy-edit and cleaned up some wording and fixed some linking.
    • I also added the {{CAnom}} template for you.
    • My objection: It needs a Behind the scenes section. Trak Nar Ramble on 08:23, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
  2. What Menk can... Menk
    • With CAs that are this short and only have the one non-BTS section, be sure to hide the table of contents by adding the code __NOTOC__ at the top of the article.
    • Be careful of using out-of-universe wording in the in-universe section: "this man was seen accessing a scomp link computer terminal within the corridors of Cloud City." Seen by whom?
    • I always advise against using "formerly" in the affiliation field of an infobox, as the infobox is supposed to represent a character's entire life, not just a snapshot of when we see them in canon. In which case it would be better to list Galactic Empire first rather than last, for chronology.
    • I think the article could proceed more chronologically --- rather than beginning when he's already defected to the Rebels, it should begin when he's serving the Empire and then go into his defection afterward.
    • Just calling the Rebel Alliance the "Alliance" is a bit confusing; a more full name like "Rebel Alliance" or "Alliance to Restore the Republic" should be used for clarity's sake.
    • The Occupation of Bespin should be dated to 3 ABY. The New Essential Chronology is our go-to source for that if you wanna use it.
      • Fixed. Rokkur Shen (talk) 12:01, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
      • If I may add in my two cents, it's not necessary to source the date for stuff cited to the films. Take for instance the fact that I have written a ton of articles for film characters, and wouldn't get objections. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:57, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
        • I was of this opinion also, Hanzo. I had added it however, prior to seeing your comment. Rokkur Shen (talk) 06:54, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
          • The thing is, there's nothing in the film, at all, that indicates three years have passed since the Battle of Yavin. The films have been cited in the past, but it's a mistake that needs to be corrected. Menkooroo (talk) 11:26, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
            • I actually meant that I questioned the inclusion of the date to begin with. But nevertheless I have now sourced it. Rokkur Shen (talk) 11:32, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
              • If a character's actions can be dated, they absolutely should be. Have you addressed the other above objections? If so, you need to indicate as much here on the review page. Menkooroo (talk) 11:45, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
                • I have. Sorry, I thought it was clear that I had. I was unaware that I had to sign under each one of your points. Rokkur Shen (talk) 12:01, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
                  • No worries; leaving one note at the end is OK; just make sure to indicate in that note that you've addressed all the objections. Menkooroo (talk) 12:15, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
    • For characters that look Human, we have an unwritten policy that the duck test should be used. I think that this guy passes it. Menkooroo (talk) 11:56, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
      • Adjusted. Rokkur Shen (talk) 02:39, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
        • It needs to be sourced. It can't be infobox-exclusive, either. Also, the category needs to be changed.
          • The only reason I added Human was on your suggestion of the duck test. How would you suggest I source it? I'm quite happy to leave his species blank, as I originally had it, to be honest. Rokkur Shen (talk) 11:18, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
            • You could source either the film or the CCG card. The duck test is passed for both. Menkooroo (talk) 11:21, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
              • I'm still not comfortable with this but have sourced as Empire as seems to be the consensus on this matter. Rokkur Shen (talk) 12:01, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
    • This next objection is an annoying necessity when any film character, now matter how small, is nominated for status: The adaptation check. The various comic adaptations of Empire (Photocomic, storybook, Manga, Marvel comic) should be checked to see if this guy makes an appearance. I have most of 'em and can do it for you; just let me know exactly when and where in the film he appears.
      • I'd already checked the Classic Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back comic. He isn't pictured I sincerely doubt that this extra would have been detailed anywhere as he has no interaction with any other character. His entire scene involves him facing a wall after all. I'd appreciate you checking your sources however. As for the time and place of his appearance within Empire, it's pretty clear from the description and picture. Rokkur Shen (talk) 11:18, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
        • Couldn't find him in anything. Menkooroo (talk) 18:09, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
    • LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy should also be checked, which you can do on youtube. Menkooroo (talk) 08:19, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
      • As per above comment. Rokkur Shen (talk) 11:18, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
        • You should still check it, just in case. The difference between severely doubting and being 100% sure is an important one. Menkooroo (talk) 11:21, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
    • Sorry for the delay. Just a few more: Can you explicitly name the Galactic Empire in the article, rather than pipelinking them to "Imperial?" This probably sounds nitpicky, but there are other Empires throughout the history of SW, and we should try to write our articles to cater to people unfamiliar with SW. I've objected to this on a few other noms recently, if it's any consolation. ;)
    • Aaaand, can you mention the Galactic Civil War, or at least make it clear that the Rebel Alliance is in conflict with the Empire?
    • Look out for double linking --- there are a few things linked once in the in-universe part of the article and again in the BTS.
    • There's one more applicable category: His sex!
      • Done. Rokkur Shen (talk) 02:56, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
        • Be sure to place the categories in alphabetical order.
          • Done.
    • Can you relate Cloud City and Bespin to each other? They're both currently mentioned, but their relationship isn't clear. Even something as simple as "The planet Bespin's Cloud City" would do it, I think. Menkooroo (talk) 05:28, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • The article's now 200 words, which, per Rule #14, means that it will require an introduction. Alternatively, you could trim some fat in the BTS, like "the theatrical release of." Menkooroo (talk) 13:05, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
  3. What Hands can... Hands?
    • Context needed for Cloud City and Bespin (mentioning that Cloud City was on the planet Bespin is fine), mention Palpatine's name, context on who Leia and Lando are. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:17, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
      • Really? Surely we don't have to detail their backstories? The article's about him not them, links are provided so that if more detail is needed people can click on the links and read more on them. Also re-worded your edit as it sounded clunky. I've left your addition of "male" in there but also feel that adding it was redundant as it was already stated that he was both human and a man. Rokkur Shen (talk) 01:04, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
        • The goal of Wookieepedia is so that everything written in every article can be hypothetically told to people who know literally nothing about Star Wars. Anyhow, I made an edit for Cloud City and Bespin for you, just also give Palaptine's name and this objection should be taken care of. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:36, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
          • He was rarely, if ever, referred to as "Palpatine" during this era. He was more commonly known as simply, The Emperor. Rokkur Shen (talk) 01:42, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
            • In one way or the other, please actually give a link to Palpatine, if not a direct name drop, then pipelink the name. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:06, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
  4. What Dogma can....dog something
    • Context on Alderaan!
    • Since you sourced the rest of BtS, please source the remainder (the last sentence).
    • Good work otherwise. 501st dogma(talk) 01:00, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

  • Note how I rearranged the intro text for you. In the future, be sure to follow that example for any noms. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:30, February 17, 2013 (UTC)