Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Force familiar

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Force familiar

  • Nominated by: OtterSurf (talk) 20:05, August 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:

(2 ECs/1 Users/3 Total)

Support

  1. ECvote QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 06:47, August 8, 2019 (UTC)
  2. ECvote Fan26 (Talk) 17:06, August 12, 2019 (UTC)
  3. Zed42 (talk) 18:23, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

Object

Fan
  • You don't need to specify in the BtS that it was the only appearance. Just saying it was the first is enough. Fan26 (Talk) 23:24, August 3, 2019 (UTC)
    • Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:32, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
      • As I said above, you should specify it as the first instead of the only appearance. Fan26 (Talk) 11:48, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
        • Whoops! Done. Again. OtterSurf (talk) 17:59, August 6, 2019 (UTC)
  • Sentences 3 and 4 both start with 'she'. This is quite repetitive and should be remedied. Fan26 (Talk) 18:02, August 6, 2019 (UTC)
Spooky
  • Add a little context for Vijun?
  • The proper section header for the reflist would be "Notes and references", not just "References" as is now.
    • Damn, I always forget. Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:31, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
  • Is 19 BBY citable to the book itself? If it is, ignore, but I see the book's article cites to a companion guide and not just context from itself.—spookywillowwtalk
    • I've attached the correct date and source. OtterSurf (talk) 08:43, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
      • Only the date needs to be sourced to note explaining the timeline; the beginning of the first sentence should still be referenced to the novel.—spookywillowwtalk
QGJ
  • I don't think that the NEC date stands valid anymore, after TCW moved the date of Anakin's knighting to the first few weeks of the war. Since Anakin is still a Padawan in the book, it can no longer take place in 19.49 BBY. I suggest rewording all references to the date to just a vague "during the Clone Wars." The date discrepancy can be mentioned in a ref note and/or Bts.
  • On that note, perhaps a {{TCWRetcon}} is warranted.
  • No infobox? Have you considered {{Pet}}? QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 06:39, August 5, 2019 (UTC)
Zed
  • Is the entire first sentence meant to be referenced to the date ref, or is there a missing reference? Zed42 (talk) 11:28, August 5, 2019 (UTC)
    • I've fixed it, see above. OtterSurf (talk) 18:00, August 6, 2019 (UTC)
      • My bad, I didn't notice it had already been mentioned. Zed42 (talk) 07:23, August 8, 2019 (UTC)
Anil
  • Could you please point me out which CSWE entry/entries mention Force familiar? You may need to use {{CSWECite}}, which states: "In the rare case that the template is used in the Sources, no page numbers should be used. Per the Manual of Style, the template will only be used in the Sources list when a subject is referenced in a singular entry but does not have a specific entry of its own."
  • As far as I can see, there is at least one available quote in the novel that can be added to the article.
  • Also, I can't see the use of the term "Force familiar" in the book. If it's a name you have conjectured, it should be reflected in the article.
    • As you can see from the quote, the title "familiar" is in there and it's tied to the Force. Does that count as conjecture? OtterSurf (talk) 08:42, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
      • Yes, it counts as conjecture unless the exact term "Force familiar" is used. So I'd suggest to change that in the article as well. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:23, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
  • Have you checked the novel's abridged audiobook for a possible mention?
  • I think in the novel Yoda suggests that this may be a dark-side ability. A brief mention of the strength of the dark side on Vjun, just like Yoda, would be nice in the article as well.
    • Yoda merely states that Vjun is strong in the Force, although Fidelis mentions the experiments that the Viscount carried out with midichlorians. I'll see if I can work it in. OtterSurf (talk) 08:42, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
      • He mentions that Vjun was strong in the dark side, in particular. Just a brief mention should suffice. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:27, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
  • I think in this case, using {{Force_power}} instead of {{Pet}} would be better, and you would avoid all those "At least one"s in the infobox. Category:Force powers can also be added.
  • Should the word "occupation" in the article be pipelinked to Mission to Vjun (Clone Wars)?
  • Honestly, I don't see what the problem is with dates. As far as I can see, The New Essential Chronology dates the battle to 19.49 BBY, while The Essential Reader's Companion places it in 19 BBY, which is basically 19.49 rounded to the nearest number. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 02:09, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
  • On second thought, I think you should just go with 19 BBY from The Essential Reader's Companion as it was released after the new TCW dating stuff and doesn't necessarily contradict anything. Anyways, I don't think this article should comprehensively explain the dating inconsistency of Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, it feels like it belongs to the article for the novel itself, or to the articles of events from the novel. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 02:23, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
  • I think there are missing references.
  • You can expand the article by including some more info from the novel, such as the servants calling this "familiar."
  • I think you should create a disambiguation page for "Familiar" and add {{Otheruses}} to the article as there are similar articles named Familiar and Familiar (Nightsister). TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:23, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
  • Now thinking about those other "Familiar" articles, I don't think this article should have a conjectural name. I think you can move it to something like Familiar (Vjun). If you do this, this nomination page should be moved as well. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:27, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
  • You can probably fill the "purpose" field of the infobox with a brief description of the ability. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:37, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
  • Could you please give a brief context for Dooku? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:41, August 14, 2019 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to remove nomination (EC only)

  1. ECvote Unaddressed objections more than one week old. Imperators II(Talk) 18:58, August 21, 2019 (UTC)
  2. ECvote Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 19:00, August 21, 2019 (UTC)
  3. ECvote TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:04, August 21, 2019 (UTC)