Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/221st Mechanized Assault Group

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221st Mechanized Assault Group

Nominated by: NaruHina ^Talk 02:45, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Nomination comments: Because canon, that's why.

(1 ECs/4 Users/5 Total)

Support

—Axinal ^{Convocation Chamber} 17:19, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Imperators II^(Talk) 15:40, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
Exiledjedi 19:00, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
Nicely done. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 01:48, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
OLIOSTER ^(talk) 00:02, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Axinal
- ~~As with 88th, needs a BTS, and should 4 BBY be 4 ABY?~~
  - It should. I work in one era too much. NaruHina ^Talk 17:09, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Also, as the infobox and intro identify the group as part of the Imperial Remnant, the history section should also include that information.—Axinal ^{Convocation Chamber} 15:56, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
  - Please ignore that there was a History section. Not my doing. The original version had that info. I don't see any blueish hue on the figure and there is no baseline TIE Crawler to compare its defensive capabilities with. NaruHina ^Talk 17:09, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
    - After taking another look at its stats, I think its fair enough to say they were augmented for defense because they have no attack modifier and a higher defense than the 88th's tanks. NaruHina ^Talk 17:28, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
      - Works for me.—Axinal ^{Convocation Chamber} 17:31, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Gethralkin
- The blaster modifications are canon, as they are part of the game piece description symbols. The countermeasures are a canon game effect of the stats. It is basically a forced miss of an attack. In ships, this would be maneuverability, whereas in slower-moving ground assault units this would be countermeasures. It is not a shield result, because shields are calculated differently in the game. The mention of the coloring of the vehicles is according to the art on the actual game pieces. 221st TIE crawlers are more a lighter blue than the others. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 13:34, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
  - ~~The 221st and the 88th are both blue colored. The 71st and 98th are both dark gray colored.~~ Gethralkin^Hyperwave 13:47, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
    - ~~"Defense-augmented" is a good way to avoid saying for sure what prevents accurate attack. Might be a better way to say it, but I can't think of one right now.~~ Gethralkin^Hyperwave 21:16, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
      - Added "blue." Didn't know there were other tanks in the set to reference. If you're talking about the match symbol, that's game mechanics. A corporeal unit doesn't become stronger just because a certain other unit enters the fray. NaruHina ^Talk 22:52, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
        Icons are not just game mechanics. The game does not make units stronger when certain other units "enter the fray." Icons do not "activate" when they match icons on other units. Units without icons use standardized equipment. Units with icons are equipped with advanced capabilities. This is where the cards come in. Cards that match icons use the extra equipment that is shown on the base of the unit. The Star of the Tion canonically has a turbolaser installed due to the icon the SWPM unit was equipped with. That is why 221st TIE Crawlers canonically have blaster upgrades, making them more powerful than other vehicles that have no blaster icon. Just so you know my credentials, I was a promotional envoy for the former Star Wars brand line for Topps/WizKids and even helped to establish the copyright to the PocketModels brand. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 06:04, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
        Still don't like the wording of the description—makes it look like 221st has tanks augmented with blue defenses. Without hyphenation would be better, ergo "...blue century tanks with augmented defenses..." And why is this not in a Characteristics category (like for instance, 327th Star Corps)? Gethralkin^Hyperwave 07:50, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
        One more thing. In the Bts, you state "one of the tanks." This actually is not the case. All units are representative in the SWPM unless identified with a character's name. That means that if a unit is printed showing a 221st TIE Crawler, then the info on that unit represents all TIE Crawlers of the 221st. That is why duplicates are allowed to be used in the game, because they do not necessarily identify just one starfighter or vehicle. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 08:05, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
        
        I'll take your word for it, but the Star of Tion has a turbolaser on the figure anyway. NaruHina ^Talk 17:30, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
        The Star of Tion unit used the same die as the Millennium Falcon figure; in styrene, they are structurally the same Tion, Falcon. But, thanks for the change. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 01:48, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
        
        Changed. Comprehensive articles do not necessarily need to be subsectioned. NaruHina ^Talk 17:30, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
        I defer. Good enough for me. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 01:48, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
        
        Changed, though considering the nature of TCGs it could work either way. NaruHina ^Talk 17:30, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
- ~~I left an image of a TIE Crawler form the battle group on the article's talk page for you.~~ Gethralkin^Hyperwave 19:38, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

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