Talk: Mattto123

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The Old Republic

Yes, that would be considered canon. Also, thank you for your comments on the Hero; I will probably be rewriting it for the next month or so. I only finished writing up Act I last night, and I still have to finish Act II and III. I would suggest that you start your work on TOR with smaller articles.... See this page for a list of characters that I have taken notes on and have not yet gotten around to creating. Feel free to work on those - I'd suggest that you start with smaller articles, then move on to slightly bigger articles when you have more experience. I have images for almost all of those characters on that page, so feel free to ask. If you're looking for something to do to get more writing experience, many of the NPCs on Carrick Station are still undocumented, and I'd invite you to look at Arl'Tokor, Brovto, and Roarcher. They are three recent Comprehensive articles I wrote about vendors, so they're a good basis for writing NPC vendor articles. Welcome to the project. Cade Calrayn 11:46, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah I dont think I created a lot of things yet. I've done Battle of Corellia and Ilum for the Second Great Galactic War after I became Torproject member, and yeah... I just did it for the sake of having too many redlinks on Second great galactic war. Im rewriting, or at least majorly editing Barsen'thor storyline. If you need help on Hero of Tython you can always call me. Cheers :D (Mattto123 11:50, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
• Thanks for the invites Cade. Also, thanks for your warm welcome. Im doing master Liv'trai at the moment. (Jedi consular trainer on tython). (Mattto123 12:08, May 14, 2012 (UTC))

Inuse templates

Hello Mattto,

Thank you for your enthusiasm with regard to updating TOR articles, we really appreciate your efforts. I do want to encourage you though to refrain from editing articles with {{Inuse}} templates on them, as it means that someone is already performing a major edit. As far as TOR goes, are you familiar with our guilds? If not, I'd like to direct your attentions here, and I would hope that you consider participating. Thank you again for editing here with us, it is a pleasure to have you helping out.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 08:32 UTC

• Yeah I know, sorz but I wanted to pick out a matter. I won't do so again. (Mattto123 08:34, May 15, 2012 (UTC))
  • No worries, you can always talk to the person who put the tag up to coordinate your efforts and work together. But yeah check out the guild page and see about joining up. I'd love to have you!—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 08:39 UTC
    • Thanks, but I'm on an oceanic server, I live in Australia. I have a feeling you guys use US/Euro servers. Does the guild accept people from all servers? Also I probably won't join till August, as I have a few tests and family-related issues to take care of first. I'll still make some edits to Wookieepedia though, at least I hope so. (Mattto123 08:43, May 15, 2012 (UTC))

TOR

• Hey, Mattto, just wanted to give you a heads up on some stuff.
  • I moved Duel at the Tythonian Forge to Duel at Vur Tepe (Nalen Raloch), because Vur Tepe is the actual name for the location (despite the fact that the game doesn't refer to it as such). Since there are two duels that occur there, and we don't know about their chronological placement, that's how one of the admins suggested I do it.
    • If i remember correctly, Vur Tepe was the term they referred the Tythonian Forge to as in the Dawn of the Jedi series. Thanks for spotting my mistake though. Sometimes I make stupid ones like that. (Mattto123 10:59, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
  • I noticed that some of your edits are casting the Barsen'thor as a male. Unfortunately, the canon genders and species of the characters are not yet determined, so we need to keep our articles gender-neutral for now.
    • You mean the ones in the first few paragraphs? I didn't do those, and I corrected them already. (Mattto123 08:06, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
  • Master Liv'trai: here's an example of how to better add your info about the Barsen'thor: See this edit. Also, before any NPC like this could go to CAnom status, it would need a quote and a complete description of their physical traits in the P&T section.
  • Don't forget to properly source your material too: the way I've been doing so for TOR missions is like this:
    • For the first time a source is mentioned: <ref name="Quest Name">{{TORCite|(Class, Heroic, or Area) Mission: "Quest Name"}}</ref>
    • If a source is mentioned more than once, use <ref name="Quest Name"/>
      • Thanks, but I can't do that sometimes because I don't know the quest name or I forgot. If that happens, I'll notify you.(Mattto123 08:13, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
        • Use DarthHater DB, SWTOR Spy, or TOR Head for quest names. DarthHater is an excellent resource for quotes, since it has all the dialogue options, and SWTOR Spy's great for determining the names of a series of quests, since they show the prerequisite quests. Cade Calrayn 13:25, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
          • Some of them are inaccurate. (Mattto123 06:32, May 17, 2012 (UTC))
            • Actually, I haven't come across any errors yet. They get their information directly from BioWare. Also, don't put parantheses around the four tildes of your signature. Cade Calrayn 12:17, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
              • Actually, I have. Abilities are mainly inaccurate. Torhead's calcs are pretty off when it comes to descriptions of abilities, but that is non-canon anyway. Still,I occasionally find inaccurate quest names.Mattto123 22:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
    • Also, for sourcing in infoboxes, use {{Ref|<ref name="Quest Name">{{TORCite|(Class, Heroic, or Area) Mission: "Quest Name"}}</ref>}} or {{Ref|<ref name="Quest Name"/>}} .
  • Our guilds - the Wookieepedia Alliance and the Wookieepedia Cabal - accept people from anywhere. However, for now we are located on the Wall of Light server. When TOR releases server transfers early in the summer, we will be moving to Drooga's Pleasure Barge, Jedi Covenant, or another high-population East Coast server. I would still encourage you to join our server once we do move despite your location, since several of our members do not in fact live on the East Coast. Time zones can't really be a barrier to the Wook, since we are a global community of editors.
    • 2013 Summer? (Mattto123 11:09, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
      • Summer 2012 - next month or two, I believe.
        • What??????Wait... you live in USA. Here in Australia, Summer 2012 has passed already, it's already Autumn. (or Fall, for USA people). I'll assume that time is Winter for us. Mattto123 22:26, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
  • The Jedi Knight - I have played up through Balmorra, but I have currently stopped while I catch up on writing the article. I do, however, know the entire Knight's storyline very well. In the summer, I'll be working and playing on TOR a lot, and my ultimate goal is to bring the Hero to the Feature Article Nominations page—Featured Articles represent the best the Wook has to offer, and it is a very rigorous process to achieve FA status for an article.
    • I don't think the Hero of Tython article will become FA until we get a canon name, gender, info etc. because writing genderless language is quite annoying and does not look as good. I'm also doing major edits for the Barsen'thor, as you have for Jedi Knight, though I doubt it will be as good as yours. (I received a lot of writing awards, including a medal for a worldwide writing competition, but I am actually a lot younger than you, so I have less experience, it'll be good to learn from elders). Also for the Jedi Knight, my friend has finished the story and I've played through with him helping him with my consular so I know the story. If you have queries, I'll try and help you as best a I possibly can. (Mattto123 11:07, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
      • You'd be surprised about FA's... a lack of gender or name isn't a barrier. The FAN process can take months, but the Inquisitorius is helpful (usually :P). Cade Calrayn 13:25, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
        • Yeah, but genderless writing is not so good/clear. You're going to have to use their name again and again and it sounds fairly awkward. A skilled writer can prevent that, though. We're going to have canon names/genders/abilities etc. thats guranteed, but when is the question. Mattto123 22:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
  • Also, please be sure to use the Preview button more often. I'd suggest switching to the Monobook skin, as it's the considered the best for editing and viewing the Wook.
    • Thanks!I'll do that in the future! (Mattto123 11:09, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
  • Flashpoints are considered canon—I believe WP:TOR has been operating under the assumption that the eight class characters are the ones who participate in them.
    • Thanks! I'll get to work. I assume the same can be said for operations. (Mattto123 11:09, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
      • Operations... now those pose an issue. I don't know if they're different for Republic and Imperial, and we don't have much information about them at all. Once the guilds move and we start to recruit more members, we're going to start run-throughs of Operations to catalog the stuff in them.
        • Operations are all at level 50, so its harder. The operations are the same for both sides, however an Imperial Team has only Imperial players, Republic Team only Republic Players. Don't know if they're canon though, I'll assume they are given how flashpoints are. I'm interested in the new one:Explosive Conflict. Mattto123 22:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
• If you have any questions about the Wook, TOR, Star Wars, or editing in general, please leave me a message on my talk page. I'd be glad to help. Cade Calrayn 13:46, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I will. If you require assistance or with for any info, I'll be glad to help.(Mattto123 11:09, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
  • Oh, and you only need to sign your posts with ~~~~, not (~~~~). That's just adding parentheses around your signature. Cade Calrayn 14:19, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks for all those heads up stuff, though I already knew most of them, whenever I require assistance I'll call you or someone else. Thanks and enjoy your time here Cade! (Or should I refer to you as "Michael"?) (Mattto123 08:15, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
  • Either one.

Re:Mandalore the Vindicated

Thanks for the heads up!—Jedi Kasra (comlink) 00:52, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

• No problem, also, if you are planning to play as a Bounty Hunter, you won't meet him until the beginning of Act 2. You can read up on him in the timelines, his biography on the TOR website, and his in-game codex entry. Mattto123 03:15, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Darth Naga Sadow

Hey, Matt, I saw your message to Plagueis. Actually, Naga Sadow is now considered the first to use the title Darth, as crazy as it seems. From the EGW, page 35: "The supreme Sith Lord, Darth Naga Sadow, had discovered a secret hyperlane...". For more info about it, I think Naga Sadow's BtS has some retcon or something. Cade Calrayn 03:56, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

• • Read my answer to plageis, and if i remember correctly, in some accounts Darth Andeddu was lived prior to Naga Sadow, if that's true, he used it first. But you do have a point. Mattto123 03:58, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
    • We don't actually know when Andeddu lived, unfortunately. But I would like to invite you to "join the collective" (as Trak Nar says) and join our IRC channel. It's Wookieepedia's official chat channel - we talk about all sorts of stuff here. Just follow the instructions on the page. Cade Calrayn 04:02, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
      • You really read my mind, Cade. I had a look on the page the other day, and I considered joining, but should I? [Redacted by administration] Also, prior edits and a source or two noted Andeddu as having lived after Ajunta Pall, but prior to Tulak Hord, if I recall correctly. Many sources, including our own wikia page, note that Andeddu was the forebearer of the Darth title, at least dubiously. Mattto123 04:05, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
        • Yes, do join IRC. It's a great way to meet your fellow Wookieepedians, and we're almost always having fun conversations. Cade Calrayn 04:09, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
          • In that case, I'll join sometime soon. Hopefully this arvo or tonight. Mattto123 04:11, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
            • Joined now, but i still have to get used to it. Mattto123 04:13, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
              • And now I'm lost. I'll play TOR for the rest of this arvo, i guess. Mattto123 04:14, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
                • Hey, no, come back on. I didn't see you there in purgatory. We shall teach you how to ascend to #wookieepedia with the rest of us. Cade Calrayn
                  • No idea why, but that comment made me laugh. I'll log back in because the request was made by the person who i know most on wookieepedia. I saw your name somewhere. I'm now currently on the status page I think. Now im on #wookieepedia#.Mattto123 04:18, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
                    • I don't see you. Are you sure you spelled it right? It's #wookieepedia - should shunt you into #wookieepedia-social. Cade Calrayn 04:23, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
• No, I had a big mess up and now im back on my user page. Also it mentions one of the channels is not free. Mattto123 04:24, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
  • Okay, go to webchat.freenode.net. Enter your username and a password, and then once it's loaded, type /join #wookieepedia. That'll send you to #wookieepedia-social, and we'll help you from there. Cade Calrayn 04:26, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
    • Same page i went to b4. I assume i type join wookieepedia on the area that says "Channels"? Mattto123 04:28, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
      • Yes, but be sure to click "authenticate to services" and enter a username and password of your choice. And do the reCAPTCHA thingy and enter a nick (probably should be the same as your IRC username) too. Cade Calrayn 04:30, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
        • Honestly, I dont see a password area, only a username. So ill just try something, if it fails ill come bak. Mattto123 04:32, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
          • I'm going to shower now, ill try again tonight. Mattto123 04:34, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Duel in the Dark Council Chamber (Darth Baras)

Sorry for making a mess of it, while moving them I messes up and called the duel with baras "Duel in the Dark Council Chamber (" because i forgot to add second great galactic war to the end, I've fixed that now but the mistake is still a redirect page. Mattto123 07:34, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

WP:Warfare

"War is ruin, predicted, and then remembered as glory." Hello <insert name here>! Thanks for joining WookieeProject: Warfare! As you can probably guess, our purpose is to get all of the information from The Essential Guide to Warfare into the wiki. If you have the Guide, you can tell there's a great deal of work to be done. The Guide has introduced a great deal of new characters, events, ships, and other information, and it's gonna take some work to get it all in the wiki. A major issue that we have to resolve is the new exact dates for all of the conflicts that the Guide has introduced. Many of these conflicts had approximate dates before the Guide was released, and we have to remedy these articles to reflect the new information. If you have any questions or comments, head on over to the forums or let me know on my talk page. Take a look around the project page, and good luck editing! —Cade Calrayn

Forgot to leave this here a while ago. Woops!

• No problem, Cade, always appreciate your time and help. I'm currently giving updates to the Barsen'thor (Cold War era), and fixing the Second Great Galactic War. (that's not part of Warfare project is it? Not in the essential guide I think.) Somebody is already patrolling Darth Nox and Emperor's Wrath (Cold War), so I'll leave that to them. You can take care of the Hero of Tython. Would be appreciated if somebody who has played IA, smuggler, BH or Trooper fills in the gaps for the Cold War page. Also, I'm trying to fill in both the Warrior and Inquisitor in at once, so I need all the info I can find at once plus a few little bits that aren't on Wook yet. I have expanded the Emperor's Wrath page to the Battle of Ilum where the Wrath kills Jaric Kaedan.

• • As for things related to Warfare, I'm checking on the Great Hyperspace War, hopefully expanding the Force Wars (is that even in the Essential Warfare Guide?) with the info i can find, and checking for a few mistakes on Jedi Civil War, Great Sith War and Great Galactic War. (Again, I haven't gotten the Warfare Guide yet, so is this in it?). Mattto123 21:33, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Redirects

It's no problem. :) They were corrected quickly and the unnecessary ones removed. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 07:11, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Preview/IRC

Hey, Matt, I'd suggest using the Preview button when you edit. It'll help you make sure that you didn't screw up any coding or anything before actually saving the page. Also, now'd be a great time to join IRC, if you've got the time. Cade Calrayn 00:01, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, and actually, Act 2 is also in the Second Great Galactic War. Most of it, that is. The Desolator Crisis and several other class storylines spark the war. Cade Calrayn 00:02, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
• Yep, now is a good time, but I'm going to buy a present for my friend's birthday party tomorrow now, I'll try again tomorrow.
  • Woops, sorz for deleting your message. Received it though, and yeah at the end it is open conflict, not much of act 2 though. Mattto123 00:04, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
    • Balmorra and Taris are the first battles in Act 2 and the SGGW. Cade Calrayn 00:07, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
    • Incorrect, Balmorra is not, it sparks the SGGW, but is not in it yet. By the time the consular arrives (liberation) it is still full of tension and is not in total war yet. If you want more info, you can always check the SGGW page, the balmorran conflict is in collapse of peace (end of cold war) but not in war in earnest (SGGW).
      • I know—I wrote that section about Balmorra, and most of the "prelude" myself. Suthra says that open war is about to start when you meet with the council at the end of the JK Act 1. And the "Liberation"—battle—includes all 4 characters' actions on the planet, not just the Consular's. As for the Corellia thing, I haven't played up to Corellia yet. Cade Calrayn 00:15, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
        • Yep, all characters have involvement in almost all the planets. I was just using Consular as an example. Also, for the Corellia, didn't you write the JK story on Hero of Tython? Lol, yeah, you made the Balmorra page or made the prelude bit, I expanded the battle cause there was literally nothing at all.
        • JK story is one of the last stories to begin/end (in fact second last).Mattto123 01:13, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Emperor's Wrath

Eh.... I don't know. We might as well leave it for now, until we decide what to do. Cade Calrayn 03:27, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

• What? LOL I thought you already had an answer. Remember our discussion on the Emperor's Wrath (Cold War)'s talk page? :D Mattto123 03:32, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Correllia

Sorry if I've caused inconvenience with your editing the Battle of Correlia; and that I haven't added to the argument again yet. I will reply in detail later today (quite possibly tomorrow for you). I didn't mean it this long before returning, I just want to reassure you that I haven't abandoned it! Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 01:21, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

• Ah, of course, I'm patient enough to do other things while I wait. Mattto123 06:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Barsen'thor

Eh, he added something about Sage or Shadow. But he added the powers to the Hero article, which is what I was talking about. Cade Calrayn 16:39, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

• Ah, thanks.