Talk: ChancellorFaust

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Dominic Pace

Hello! First off in regards with "Gekko", currently there is no official source for the name so its best to leave that bit on his page, maybe eventually it will be confirmed! Secondly regarding your interview, you will need to create a page like Wookieepedia:Interview/Dominic Pace where you can provide the full text of the interview. I believe it would be beneficial for you to check the interviews policy so you can see what you need to do. And then you should check here where you can see examples of how you will need to fill out the interview page --Lewisr (talk) 15:49, December 31, 2019 (UTC)


Thank you for the update. With regards to Gekko, what does it take to formally constitute the official name? It's what has been listed in several meetings and fan events. Does something from the Mandalorian page have to say as much? The interview was done via text/instagram. Once again, thank you! --ChancellorFaust (talk) 15:53, December 31, 2019 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

  • Generally the name would need to be confirmed by something that has been authorized by Lucasfilm or Disney, whether it be a press article or something in The Topps Company, Inc. for example, it needs to come from an official source. So for the moment, it seems like its just been used in a kind of unofficial way. No problem, feel free to ask if you need any help with anything! --Lewisr (talk) 16:08, December 31, 2019 (UTC)
    • Hello! I cannot say for sure without seeing, have you formatted things according to the manual of style? Any capitals where the manual doesn't have them? If it still isn't working, I would contact an admin who should be able to give a bit more of a clue as to what the problem is --Lewisr (talk) 17:20, December 31, 2019 (UTC)
      • Oh sorry, I totally missed what you meant, the template was added before because the page needs a bit of a general clean up, you haven't done anything wrong don't worry! --Lewisr (talk) 17:43, December 31, 2019 (UTC)
        • Hey User:Lewisr! Dominic now has Gekko on two Topps trading cards. The artists have shared them on Instagram and I have the screen shots. Can he become official now? I know we were waiting on something like this. —Unsigned comment by ChancellorFaust (talk • contribs)
          • Hey! That's cool news then, any chance you could provide a link? --Lewisr (talk) 19:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Yeah, User: Lewisr there are two Topps artists working on the cards: Jay Manchard and Nick Gribbon. Both have shared the images used for Gekko on Facebook/Insta and I have messages from Jay indicated that he will be referred to as Gekko on the card(s). The cards are released officially tomorrow and both are making social media posts about it. I really am just curious about the best way to site them on here. ChancellorFaust (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
    • That's cool then! Once the cards are released tomorrow, we can use Template:Topps on the page to cite --Lewisr (talk) 20:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

That's fantastic User:Lewisr Made my day and I so appreciate it. Do I have to have someone manually change the Unidentified Bounty Hunter page that current holds the Gekko spot or what? Again, so sorry for all the questions. Tomorrow, I will go in and use the Topps template and update the page accordingly. ChancellorFaust (talk) 20:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

RE: Dominic Pace

Hello there! I have reviewed the article and it had multiple formatting issues per our Manual of Style. Here, you can see what was wrong with it. I believe I've fixed them all for you, and removed the Cleanup tag; however, as you can see, the article still contains unsourced information. For example, to source that Pace plans on attending Celebration Anahheim, I've used one of his tweets that says so. If you are willing to fix all the issues related to Dominic Pace's article, I suggest that you should properly source the rest of the unsourced sections of the article. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 01:44, January 2, 2020 (UTC)

  • Hey there. Per Wookieepedia:Attribution, "any in-universe articles must be based on canonical sources officially licensed by Lucasfilm." As far as I can see, Gekko is only mentioned in the actor's interviews, so an article for the character cannot be created and the name can't be used in in-universe articles, at least for now. It can only be created when the name is used in a Lucasfilm-licenced source, such as a StarWars.com article, an official Star Wars social media account post, a reference book, an issue of the Star Wars Insider magazine, etc. For now, Gekko redirects to the article for Dominic Pace, so anyone who searches for Gekko on Wookieepedia can learn about the character there. Sorry for the late response, and hope this helps! TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 05:01, January 11, 2020 (UTC)

Some tips

When citing social media posts such as tweets, you must follow the Sourcing policy. Another thing, links to pages must be done properly instead of pasting the URL. UberSoldat93 (talk) 14:15, January 2, 2020 (UTC)

  • That's cool, but you need to use Template:Twitter when citing tweets. Make sure to provide screenshots as well for archiving purposes. UberSoldat93 (talk) 14:46, January 2, 2020 (UTC)

Twitter

Hello! What you need to do is fill out the template using the examples provided on the page. But I added one here to show you an example of what you need to do if that is helpful for you? --Lewisr (talk) 16:48, January 2, 2020 (UTC)

  • Thank you! No problem, glad to help :) --Lewisr (talk) 17:23, January 2, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Dominic Pace

Hi there. AnilSerifoglu was kind enough to reupload the file with proper formatting and sourcing. Take a look at the file description page he added. The image should be fine now. Also, since there is a version without a watermark (i.e. straight from the episode), that's what we should utilize. Cheers, 1358 (Talk) 18:37, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Seriously you guys are great. Thanks for being so patient as I learn the ropes. --ChancellorFaust (talk) 19:14, January 3, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

Gekko

I did make a page for Gekko before, but it was deleted as there is no official source with the name, only interviews and fan-made merchandise so far. I'm hoping reference material released in the future can remedy this. UberSoldat93 (talk) 13:41, January 8, 2020 (UTC)

  • Hi Shayanomer. Thanks for the info. What can constitute an official source? The reason I ask is that I am working directly with the actor and there have been some internal emails/discussions with individuals on the Mandalorian production team referencing this as the character name. I obviously don't want to overstep any bounds, but I don't have reference material that has been made public at this time. Thoughts? --ChancellorFaust (talk) 13:48, January 8, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
    • When it was deleted, I did point out that the name was used in the makeup process, but the name needs to be in published material to make it official. UberSoldat93 (talk) 18:37, January 9, 2020 (UTC)
      • I'm asking the admins in IRC to see what they think. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:07, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
        • Still not enough for a separate page I'm afraid, since we don't take social media posts as canon information. Just note that the name was used during production, but hasn't been used in published material yet. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:15, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
          • Ok actually he can have a page since there's enough BTS info. Just don't use "Gekko" as the page name, use something like "Unidentified bounty hunter." UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:20, June 29, 2020 (U
            • Ok thanks. I think I can come up with something.--ChancellorFaust (talk) 12:23, June 29, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
              • No problem, I'm glad I could help. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 12:51, June 29, 2020 (UTC)
  • Hey User:UberSoldat93 I updated the Unidentified Bounty Hunter (Nevarro) page and also Dominic Pace. He officially has a name now according to Topps as Gekko. Can we change the Unidentified Bounty Hunter page to officially reflect Gekko?? Thanks again! ChancellorFaust (talk) 14:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
    • Hello, is there a link to the card somewhere on official listings such as tcdb.com? That will be enough. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 14:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Hi User:UberSoldat93. I spoke with both official Topps artists to inquire about tcdb.com listings. Because the Gekko cards are considered sketches and not taken from a screenshot of the show (like all the other cards) they will not be listed individually on TCDB. Instead, the artist themselves is credited on TCDB, which I can confirm is true and posted already. There are sketch cards of numerous, canon characters from the show in the same set and these are also just attributed to the artist and not individually listed. Topps did approve all the sketches before they were accepted into the card distribution, so it is officially acknowledged source material now. I believe that qualifies as an official source. Thanks again for all your help ChancellorFaust (talk) 17:02, 5 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
      • Well, do you at least have a link to the full set? UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 17:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Thanks again User:UberSoldat93That is my question, I suppose. The card is public and out in the ethos somewhere. People will have to find them in sets. However, Two Topps certified artists used the name Gekko and this was accepted by Topps during the production and distribution phase. They also cited the card and the name Gekko on their Instagram/Facebook pages. The card is public and confirms the name by all previous discussions. There will not be a link to the card as mentioned above as it is a sketch card and TCDB does not cite sketch cards, only the artists, which was also provided. Yet this still does not meet the requirements? I am perplexed and want to put this issue to rest as well.ChancellorFaust (talk) 18:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
      • I spoke with an admin, and I was told that this is fan art. Sketch cards aren't considered sources, which is why you don't see them listed in articles. Now if it was a promotional shot, it would've counted. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 18:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
  • User:UberSoldat93 So even though it has the Star Wars logo and the Topps logo on the card, it was approved for distribution by Topps and the artist is licensed by Topps, it's considered fan art? That doesn't make any sense. I don't want to seem unthankful for all you're help, but it seems like it fits all the categories as was previously requested. Is there is no way to appeal this? ChancellorFaust (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
    • The card doesn't include the name or something from Topps mentioning that the card was always meant to be that certain Bounty Hunter. We don't use sketch art as sources, since artists are given the liberty to depict who they want. As far as I know, the name has been used in an instragram post which also violates are sourcing policy where social media posts can't be used as an independent source for in-universe information---DarthRuiz30 (talk) 18:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
  • User:DarthRuiz30 Thanks for the message and trust me, I do appreciate the assistance from everyone. Just frustrating to think that you've spent months and months to meet all the requirements only to find out that there are even more layers. So there isn't anything else to do then?ChancellorFaust (talk) 19:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
    • At this moment no. Unless there's an actual base card or a Topps manufactured card with the name, then the only source for is a social media post which doesn't meet our requirements for sourcing information.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Hi User:DarthRuiz30 and User:Ayrehead02Can you point me to the exact language/statute/provision within Wookieepedia that says a sketch Topps Card, even those shared on the official social media accounts of Topps Artists, that have passed through the Quality Control aspects of Production at Topps, and are now out in among the public for sale are not considered source material? I'm still attempting to have Gekko recognized as Canon as both the head make up artist and several artists at Topps have said his name is Gekko. Thank you again in advance. ChancellorFaust (talk) 18:08, 11 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
  • Hello User:DarthRuiz30 and User:Ayrehead02 Wondering if there had been a chance to send over the exact provision/language that lists why a sketch card as not canon? Thanks in advance. ChancellorFaust (talk) 17:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
  • Hey User:DarthRuiz30 I see that you're online. Any update on the above query? I am looking for the official policy. I've tried reaching the admins in several different ways. I am looking for justification as I can't find it anywhere that Sketch cards aren't official, as you've stated.ChancellorFaust (talk) 00:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

Gekko page

Hello! What you need to add is:

==Appearances== *{{TheMandalorian|Chapter 1: The Mandalorian}} {{1st}} *{{TheMandalorian|Chapter 3: The Sin}}

Also, the page will need to be moved to something like that "Unidentified bounty hunter" since Gekko is not an official name. But I believe User:UberSoldat93 is going to help with that --Lewisr (talk) 00:44, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

  • Hey! For now, the page is at Unidentified bounty hunter (Nevarro) since Gekko is not an official name, hopefully the visual guide will canonise the name Gekko! --Lewisr (talk) 02:06, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
    • No problem, glad to help! Thanks for working on the page. As its not really an official image of the character as of yet, it will likely have to go in the behind the scenes section of the page when one is made --Lewisr (talk) 02:36, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
      • Hi, you will need to add the BTS information to the article in order to prevent it from being a potential TC candidate, since that's the only thing that differentiates the character from the other bounty hunters in the series. UberSoldat93 ClanMudhornSignet-Redemption (talk) 06:43, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I tried to upload two separate images, following all of the category and licensing instructions and neither appeared. I also attempted to insert a Character infobox template, but I'm getting the extension hook error message. I seem to be following all of the instructions as outlined, but I am wondering if this is a permissions issue. Thanks as always --ChancellorFaust (talk) 16:25, July 19, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

  • Hello! I'm unsure on the image since if you followed all the instructions then it should appear. I would suggest either trying again or speaking with one of the admins. With the infobox, did you add the whole template? --Lewisr (talk) 17:03, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

The images show up in my contributions and uploads file and I inserted the infobox template and filed out as much as I could. the image is called GekkoBountyHunterNevarro If you could look at it and see if I'm missing something, I would appreciate it. I'm learning as I go, but this has been a great help. --ChancellorFaust (talk) 17:06, July 19, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

  • Don't forget to include the source of where the image comes from, you'll need to add that in the source section of the file upload. No worries, we were all at that stage at some point so happy to help --Lewisr (talk) 17:41, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

I updated the source to be correctly formatted. Main issue now is the blasted text box. I selected the Bounty Hunter preload. It's not showing up in the article and I'm running out of ideas. By the way, thanks for understanding my noob-ness --ChancellorFaust (talk) 17:46, July 19, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

  • Also remember to go back and do the same for File:GekkoBountyHunter4.jpg, its just to prevent the image from being deleted. I have fixed the infobox for you, the template you were looking to add was Template:Character, then fill the fields out from there! Haha its okay but its no trouble --Lewisr (talk) 17:51, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

Image attribution

Hi there. Regarding File:GekkoBountyHunter4.jpg, as far as I'm aware that image came from a social media post rather than from Chapter 3, which is where you currently have it sourced to. If this is the case, please correct that on the file page. Additionally, if it is an image only used in unofficial posts, it cannot be placed in the infobox or in-universe portion of the article. Thanks. Zed42 (talk) 20:40, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

Hello User:Zed42! It did come from a social media post from Brian Sipe, the make up artist for The Mandalorian. Is there a particular way or format when sourcing the image that I should use for Instagram? I'm still new to this and trying to learn all the rules. Thanks for your help! --ChancellorFaust (talk) 23:04, July 19, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

  • You should use Template:Instagram, ensuring that you fill out the fields necessary. Hope this helps! --Lewisr (talk) 23:26, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

User:Lewisr Should be good now! Can you confirm that it's ok? Thanks again. Baby-steps as I learn this stuff!

User:Lewisr Ok, I archived it. Where in the image should I add it? The link is https://archive.is/Jj8bO--ChancellorFaust (talk) 00:07, July 20, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

Wait, I may have found it.--ChancellorFaust (talk) 00:10, July 20, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

  • I think you might have archived the wrong thing, I meant the Instagram post sorry! I have archived it for you now, so all you need to do is go to the image, and in the Instagramk Cite template you've added onto the image, just add |archive=https://archive.is/pChja onto the end so it looks like this {{Instagram|author=Brian Sipe|dateposted=2020-06-29|description=The Bounty Hunter Gekko|url=p/CCAaT2fgnI4/|archiveurl=https://archive.is/pChja}} --Lewisr (talk) 00:19, July 20, 2020 (UTC)

Hey User:Lewisr. I copied that link and pasted it in there, but I'm getting This Page Isn't Working message. I'm curious as to if something is out of place? --ChancellorFaust (talk) 00:34, July 20, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

Wait!! I think I figured it out !! --ChancellorFaust (talk) 00:43, July 20, 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust

  • Looks like there was some weird glitch where I had to alter something slightly, but all is good now! --Lewisr (talk) 00:49, July 20, 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia sourcing

As Wikipedia info is derived from it's own sources, you need to source to those sources instead of the actual Wikipedia page, which could have been written biased etc. Cheers. Braha'tok enthusiast (Hello there) 22:47, July 26, 2020 (UTC)

  • Right I've completely misread that, what you need to do it use [[Wikipedia|]] when linking to Wikipedia pages instead of using the full url. Braha'tok enthusiast (Hello there) 22:51, July 26, 2020 (UTC)

Card

We're not denying that there's a sketch art for said character. At this moment that card doesn't confirm anything other than its a representation for a bounty hunter that appears in the background in The Mandalorian. That character hasn't been named yet, maybe in the future they will name him Gekko, but right now the name has not be used in any source.

Saying that admins are giving you excuses by saying "this is the decision, but I can't back it up" is incorrect, you were told that the name has not been used in any source. The card itself is just a picture of that character, nothing else. We don't list sketch cards or any Topps cards that doesn't include any sort of information, so that's why the bounty hunter doesn't have in its sources a sketch card --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 01:41, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Thanks for responding User:DarthRuiz30. All that I am asking for is the admins to show me the policy; where it states the above. Right now, no one has been able to point me to that language. Saying the site does it is one thing, but having it written down and codified is what I am looking for.ChancellorFaust (talk) 02:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust
    • Wookieepedia:Sourcing: "Wookieepedia:Attribution, which is policy, mandates the provision of sources. Attribution is required for direct quotes, along with practically all other material...all writing should be based on reliable sources...Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor." You're not providing a reliable source to confirm the name of Gekko just a social media post, which is also covered in here in our Canon policy which explains authorial intent (The artist intending to picture Gekko) and how we document that intent in the BTS (which has be done). As for Topps cards, there's not a written rule, but its something we all guide under. If the card is just a simple depiction of a character we don't include it, imagine having more than 200 single base cards, plus sketches for Luke Skywalker in the source section. We're not the SW Topps wiki. We only include cards that have any sort of information such as new names, new image of the character, or with any kind of lore paragraph on the card.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 03:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Ruiz has covered all the relevant info and I don't have anything further to add. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Thank you. That's a much more thorough explanation; I was looking for that. I appreciate you both, User:Ayrehead02 and User:DarthRuiz30ChancellorFaust (talk) 15:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)ChancellorFaust