Talk: AdonFox

Welcome, AdonFox!

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Young readers and junior novels

Hi, AdonFox! Funny timing--I've been doing a big (re)categorization of our book articles recently to get things where they belong and be consistent, and compiled a spreadsheet to keep track of which age ranges the Disney Books site puts things in. On Disney Books, they have "6–8 Years Old," and "8–12" or "9–12 Years Old" (they're inconsistent about starting it at 8 or 9), for the non-YA/Adult novels and chapter books. I've been looking at it like so; hope this is useful and not too long-winded!

• Junior Novel: Books that have "Junior Novel" in the title such as Star Wars: The Force Awakens: A Junior Novel are in the 8/9-12 age range. This suggests that other narrative books in that age range can be considered junior novels.
  • Further, no "Junior" titles are in the 6-8 age range, which also suggests that "junior novels" does not include books for that age range.
• Chapter Book: Almost all (but not all!) books described or labeled on DB as a "chapter book" are in the 6-8 age range. An exception is Rise of the Rebels, which Disney Books puts as 9-12; the other books in that series, however, are 6-8. Star Wars: Adventures in Wild Space is all 6-8 and a "chapter book (series)" on DB. Therefore, the "chapter book" alone usually suggests it's young-readers, but it needs information about the age range.
  • The GoA book is 6-8 and described on DB as an "illustrated chapter book." The FoD Daring Adventures books available on DB are also 6-8 and described as "chapter book." Therefore, both are young-readers rather than juniors. Immi Thrax (talk) 15:28, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Wow this is amazing helpful. Thank you so much for the work that you have done here. I think the way that you have set it out and explained it here makes complete sense and following this criteria would provide the timeline with some much needed consistency. I can spend some time going through the entire timeline and checking that the all JR and YR book categories fit this outline.

• The only small thing I might add though is that, sadly this puts books like the Rebels chapter books and Star Wars: Adventures in Wild Space - books that I think are readable for adults, enjoyable and genuinely add to the canon (I think some refer to them as 'middle-grade books') - in the same young readers category as other stuff like the world of reading books or C-3PO Does Not Likes Sand. I think a lot of people, myself included, hide or ignore the YR stuff so I feel it is a real shame and a little unfair to relegate those middle grade novels down. Maybe another category is needed for these kinds of books, but I think this would only complicate the matter further and make casual visitors to the timeline a little confused.
• I have looked at other timelines online and most, including starwarsreading.com and swbooks.net follow the guidelines you have set out while wikipedia's list does include books such as FoD Daring Adventures in its main section.
• The only viable alternative that I can think of is to follow the guidelines that you explained, derived from Disney Books' age ratings, but then we at wookiepedia unofficially decide to 'upgrade' to the level of JR certain books and this can be clearly explained next to their entries. To be honest, outside of the series that we have both mentioned here, there are not many other books that need this 'upgrade'. Maybe the Galactic Adventures Storybook too. I can have a look through to see. Do you think this might be a good idea? It may be that you or others find it is not really our place to decide what is and is not worthy of JR and we should just follow Disney which I understand, although Disney does not seem to put a huge amount of thought into it.

Sorry if I am making a mountain out of a mole hill here but I know that many people, like me, who frequent the timeline are a little 'completionist' about the canon, not necessarily for the YR novels which aren't the most readable for adults, but still enjoy much of the junior stuff. Also if you need any help at all with the spreadsheet or even anything else I will be happy to do what I can. AdonFox (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)