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Hiding sections

Since this template is now combining all the FFG Star Wars games, I am trying to make the individual sections Hide without hiding the whole box. I am really busy at the moment with two online classes and am now distracted to the point of not remembering the coding to make it work. If anybody can put in the Hide buttons between sections without splitting the box, please do. It should be simple (at least, I remeber it being so) but for the life of me, I can't think of the right code to use. —GethralkinHyperwave 20:47, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Split Template in Two: One for Each Product Line

I'd like to propose that we split this template into two parts: one that covers X-Wing and one that covers The Card Game. These are two different types of games that have no connection between each other besides being from a common company and each section is continuing to grow. Besides, a template covering all Fantasy Flight products ought to include Star Wars: Edge of the Empire as well, which will make this even more unwieldy. Splitting the template in two will also solve the problem Gethralkin wrote about above without needing to create extra code. -Thunderforge (talk) 06:34, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

  • I would rather have this follow the precedent that Wizards of the Coast template for Star Wars Miniatures set with the various sets and RPG supplemental material. FFG's product line involves 3 different game formats that can be merged in casual (for instance, rounds of X-wing Miniatures Game inserted into the Edge of the Empire RPG to make involvement more dynamic between players). Since this has been the case, fans of the game searching for information on one game format enjoy having the other products referenced in the navigation template without having to do investigative searching. —GethralkinHyperwave 20:05, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
    • It looks like the template for the WoTC Star Wars Miniatures set that you referred to is Template:Miniatures, which does not have any material from Wizards' other Star Wars products on it (indeed, other templates exist for them, such as Template:SagaEdition). So it seems that there is actually a precedent for having them split, rather than all in one template. Besides, Fantasy Flight has never indicated that the games are intended to be used together (The Card Game can't be used with the other two anyway). -Thunderforge (talk) 06:54, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
      • Given the precedent of the WotC products, lack of further discussion, and the increasingly unwiedly size of the template, I've decided to be bold and go ahead and split the templates up into three. Template:Star Wars The Card Game and Template: Edge of the Empire have been spun off from this template, while this template has had its name changed from FFGStarWars to Template: X-Wing Miniatures Game and its content (now covered in the other two) adjusted accordingly. -Thunderforge (talk) 21:36, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
      • Although I think it's definitely best that we split this into three templates, it occurred to me that there isn't really a great reference for all of the tabletop games, which I think is what you were wanting when you said that you wanted a navigation template to help learn about other products. One thing that we could do is create a new template called "Template:Tabletop Games" or something, which would include links to the main pages for each line of games created by different publishers. I'm thinking something like this from Wikipedia. It would just have the main page for each game line (e.g. Star Wars: The Card Game, but not any of the supplements), sorted in categories by publisher. I created a sample here.-Thunderforge (talk) 21:58, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
        • Excuse me, but one vote on either side of this issue a consensus does not make. I find that the broad changes that you have made without a consensus—which was requested—to be very disruptive. —GethralkinHyperwave 23:47, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
          • We don't have one giant template for the Wizards of the Coast products, Dark Horse comics, BioWare video games (combining KOTOR and TOR), or any other producer of content. To have such an overwhelmingly large template is, as Thunderforge said, unwieldy and unnecessary. And as others have said elsewhere, being bold and fixing problems is rarely a bad thing. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 23:55, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
            • However, he has called for a consensus on this matter and a consensus has not yet been reached. —GethralkinHyperwave 00:31, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
              • Also, I realize that this may end up being the best outcome; however, a template designed to involve both the RPG and miniatures and cards formats of the FFG brands would be useful to FFG gaming fans looking for crossing info. I know, for instance, that gamers are incorporating (at least in my area) the RPG and miniatures rounds as "scenes" from a combined gamemaster's script. It makes for very interesting play sessions. Having a template that combines at least the two elements would allow for visitors to the wiki to easily search out details with such a quick reference navigation box. —GethralkinHyperwave 00:36, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
        • I looked at the "James Bond in games" template that you referenced, and I don't see where that would apply here. We are not talking about several game companies being represented in the same navigation box. This is restricted to a single company with a choice of three games. If you want to use the James Bond precedent, the companies each had their different games listed for each. The list as a whole is collapsible, so the issue here is still the same. I am trying to separately collapse each game. If worked out, this could serve as a good precedent for future license holders, and reduce the number of templates created each time a company begins a new game line for Star Wars. —GethralkinHyperwave 00:47, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
        • The template for multiple companies was just an idea (which is why it's on my user page). We don't have to implement it. As for why I decided to split the template, it was, as I noted, due to a precedent and the fact that there was no further discussion. My changes were in good faith and I had assumed (apparently wrongly) that it was time to be bold and actually make the change. If we need a greater consensus to make this change (and my and Cade's informal votes aren't enough), what needs to be done? -Thunderforge (talk) 18:52, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
          • I believe he made a Consensus Track thread about the subject. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 19:04, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
            • Thanks for pointing that out. The link to the Concensus Track thread is here for those who are interested in voting on this. -Thunderforge (talk) 19:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)