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Saber

Where is the information on his saber form from? --Fade 16:06, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

  • From KotOR 2. He teaches the player the Juyo form, and uses it himself (if you choose to battle him). --Imperialles 16:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Oh...For some weird reason, I can't seem to remember anything from that game. One of the reasons I'm playing it through again, I guess. --Fade 16:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Well, he can teach Shien too. I think it depends on the character class and the styles the player has already learnt. - Sikon 05:26, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • Forget that. Vrook does not teach Juyo. Actually, Vrook and Zez-Kai Ell teach Ataru first and Shien second, in the order in which you complete Dantooine and Nar Shaddaa. Onderon is always completed last, and Kavar teaches Juyo or Niman if the Exile is a Jedi Guardian or Jedi Sentinel, respectively. - Sikon 06:40, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
          • Not necessarily. The order in which the forms are learned, depends solely on the order of the planets visited. Thus, if a Guardian or Weaponsmaster (or Sith Maurader) completed Onderon first, followed by Nar Shaada second, returning back to Onderon next, he would have Ataru and Shien. He could then go to Dantooine, and after completing Dantooine, Vrook would teach him Juyo. [[User:138.26.34.118|138.26
      • It has been stated at A-wing military fighter (Galactic Republic), Talk:Aurek-class tactical strikefighter and Talk:Zez-Kai Ell that the official strategy guide is a canon source, and that what the strategy guide says is canon. The official KOTOR 2 game guide says that Vrook used Shien, so Shien was his canonical lightsaber form. Just as Ataru was Zez-Kai Ell's canonical lightsaber form. 151.203.164.41 16:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • You have to meet with Zez-Kai Ell and Vrook, as well as find the corpse of Lonna Vash, before you can return to Onderon, therefore the last form is always learned from Kavar.--Darth Oblivion 23:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
    • That's news to me, because I recently finished a game in which I completed Onderon (i.e. the palace assault) prior to visiting Dantooine (which was ridiculously easy as a result) and Korriban. To confuse things further, Vrook taught me Niman. -- Ze'ev Skordeno 11:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Opening Quote Canonicity

And the opening quote is canon because...?

Oh yeah, it's not. :P

That is one choice amongst many. The light side ending of KotOR II is canon, as is the fact that the Exile is female... the fact she trained her companions probably is as well. Nothing else has been set in stone however. (Ulicus 23:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

  • Would Always the rushing into action without thinking of the consequences. What? You were expecting thanks? be any better? --RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 00:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Several of the intro quotes for game characters are of questionable canon. The quotes for Atton Rand, Mical, Bao-Dur, Hanharr, Mira, HK-47, T3-M4, Canderous Ordo, Juhani, and several others may never even appear in your games, depending on how much dialogue you select and which options you choose. As this summarizes Vrook's personality, I don't see an issue with it. -BaronGrackle 01:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Hello again. :-) Just playing through the original KOTOR a little, and I found this one: "If you find me overly critical, perhaps it is because you do not fully understand what is at stake." Vrook says it if Revan asks why he is so frequently displeased, prior to completing the three trials. Just putting it on the table. -BaronGrackle 11:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
      • That seems like a better quote. I'll change it to that. If anyone has any objections feel free to change it back.--Master Dakari 17:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
        • It's a good quote, but again not canon as we don't know that Revan ever asked that question. :P I'm past caring now, as has already been said - there are a bunch of quotes attributed to the KotOR characters of questionable canonicity... I even put one on the Revan page "What can I say? I'm a talented individual", though I also put "(Possibly)" afterwards to show that it was ambigiously canon rather than firm canon. (Ulicus 13:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

Death

I don't want to seem bothersome, but is there any actual proof that he really was killed in the rebuilt enclave? The actual description of his body, which I unfortunately cannot recall, seemed very vague. It mentioned him being worse than dead, like a hole in the Force. Again, it seems a little fanonical, but without it being expressly stated, it's possible that he isn't really dead, and is merely cut off from the Force. Possibly something Obsidian purposefully left open for expansion in case sequels were made, maybe? Again, sorry to waste your time. 72.51.203.86 02:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, he is very, very dead.–SentryTalk 02:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • As per Sentry's emphasis, "worse than dead" seems to include death itself in this situation. Throughout the game characters had talked about how most Jedi couldn't even survive being cut off from the Force, and this section of the game demonstrates it. And those mangled bodies. It succeeded in getting a chill out of me... to the point that I sometimes contemplate killing the masters myself even in a lightside game, to save them that fate. -BaronGrackle 14:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
    • The remaining Jedi reacted out of fear, and that was their undoing. They saw something they did not understand, and rather then thinking through it or meditating, they reacted offensively and tried to attack the threat. It is lamentable they seem to have forgotten the Jedi tenant of pursuing peaceful solutions first. Perhaps Kreia was justified in stopping them. Perhaps not. I suppose that much is open to interpretation. 72.179.152.13 02:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Lightsaber

Scuse me gents, but I have a quick say so. If his lightsaber color is green, he is a Jedi Sentinel, not a Consular. I will change this unless others have an objection. Darthan the destroyer 22:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, just read up on the 2 classes. Been so long since I played the game, (though they're the most kick ass.)I forgot that my favorite class is Consular, not sentinel.

Aside from just being an ingame feature, has this color code been established as a canonical measure to judge a Jedi by? From what I have always understood, lightsaber colors often ended up being quite random, as the color resulting from suitable crystals usually proved difficult to determine. Light diffusion cannot always be accounted for by the crystals exterior. It seems quite ludicrous that a Jedi would go on an extensive search for a blade of a certain color just because of the way he or she perceived his or her connection to the force... 72.179.152.13 02:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

    • I always get the two classes confused. But yes, the color code is established in KOTOR. Darthan the destroyer 17:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
    • It's amazing, as apparently game files in K1 while at Dantooine list him as a level 1 Jedi Guardian. along with the other masters and and one of the other masters, while one is a level 10 Consular, not Vrook though. Something Bioware put in apparently. Before you ask, I read it on here somewhere. --Jono R 23:00, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Not so scepticle

The reason he was so brash, cranky, mean etc in KOTOR was because he knew that Revan was previously the primary enemy of the Jedi: the powerful Sith lord in charge of the sith, and he felt Revan was going to turn to the dark side and/or regain his memories. Why is it assumed that he acts the same way to all students? I don't think that all of his students were mind-wiped Sith lords, do you? 65.27.139.162 15:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Vrook used force lighting; hell he's almost as bad as Atris

  • He treated the Exile the same way, maybe worse. Drewton 16:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Great Sith War

I didn't know Vrook fought in the Sith War. Sure, Tott Doneeta in TOTJ says something about rallying all Jedi against Exar Kun, but how can we be sure he was available? For now I'm removing this bit of information, but if anyone knows of a canon source supporting it please put it back and add a reference.--Jinger 23:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Force Lightning

When did he use Force Lightning? I can't remember him using it in KotOR 2... Darth Mavoc (Talk) 01:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

All three Jedi Masters know the advanced Force forms and can teach them to the Exile, but only Vrook's display of the Force Potency technique involves a bolt of lightning to the floor.--Jinger 07:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that's enough. The player character has a chance to fight Vrook to the death, and Vrook never uses Force Lightning. No sources specify that he uses it. I think it should be removed, with perhaps a reference kept in Behind the Scenes. -BaronGrackle 06:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

If he can use that power in-game, I can't see why it should be removed. The fact that he doesn't use it in battle (he's a Jedi, after all) means very little.--Jinger 15:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Grand Master of the Jedi Order?

I think it's very possible as he is the most relevant of the entire council:

  • He is the one who talks the most and thus seems like the leader.
  • In-game cinematics show him sitting in the middle of the council chambers.
  • The other members do not fill the role, Kavar would be the weapon/battlemater, Atris would be the librarian or whatever that's called, Draay didn't exactly have a controversial-free career, Zez-Kai was too unorthodox and Lonna Vash was not at all a leader.
  • He is the one who led the Exile's trial.
    • Irregardless, that he is or is not the Grand Master is not stated in canon, so it's still speculation, which can't be put in the articles. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 18:40, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
      • I really don't care that this is irrelevant, unnecessary, or that I'm being a grammar/spelling nazi, "irregardless" is NOT a word. May 29, 2011 - signed by "Frequent Wookieepedia Browser"