Talk: The rebellion

Article milestones Date Process Result March 27, 2017 Featured article nomination Failure August 28, 2017 Failed Featured article nominee
Current status: Failed Featured article nominee

Name

I chose "Rebel network" just to get this page off the ground, but I am by no means married to it. In fact, I'm sure there's a better name out there somewhere. Anyone have any recommendations? - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 07:32, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Merge?

Should we merge this with Alliance to Restore the Republic?Gopher dude 11 (talk)

• Considering the current state of the larger rebel movement in the galaxy, it's clear that the Rebel Alliance hasn't been founded yet. This is a precursor, or something that will become the Rebel Alliance. It could also be an organization that fails spectacularly, and then the Rebel Alliance rises from its ashes. I say all of those ideas to make the point that we don't yet know for sure, so we should keep it as a separate page until we actually do know. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 21:23, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Bump. Sorry to drag this back from the grave, but Ahsoka Tano's Databank entry list her as being a member of the Rebel Alliance, something supported by her bio gallery, which says she joined up with Bail Organa's fledgling Rebel Alliance (notice the capitalization). I don't know if this is just a clerical error, but it is possible their trying to tell us something. - AV-6R7 (talk) 03:39, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

• I think that's just an error. Pablo Hidalgo said in a Rebels Recon (I believe it was the one for Siege of Lothal) that there is no Rebel Alliance at this point; it's just various rebel cells scattered across the galaxy, who are only now beginning to come together. The actual Alliance has not yet been formed this far. Cevan (talk) 03:54, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • Additionally, "fledging Rebel Alliance" would still be accurate terminology for a collective of cells that will eventually lead to the Rebel Alliance. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 04:34, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
• Considering that the rebellion followed by Rebels is limited, not to the entire network of rebellion, but only the one connected to the Phoenix Squadron, shouldn't the content of this page be divided between the early days of the Alliance and the Phoenix Squadron page? After all, since Season Three stared, we know that the Phoenix Squadron and its supporting fleet are not the only Rebel units active. --Bad'Wolf (talk) 11:12, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Name change

I wanted to open up a discussion about the name of this page, and what people would think would be acceptable alternatives. When I created this page I just made "Rebel network" up, and I don't think it's the most appropriate name. My preferred name, based on how the fledging movement has been described in the show, would be "Rebellion" (though that would be lower case in-text, i.e. "The rebellion was" etc). Anyone have any other recommendations? - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 01:11, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

• Bumping this. Any thoughts? I definitely think that "Rebellion" is the appropriate name here. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 02:29, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Seems like the way to go for now. - AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 02:47, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
    • Is it clear whether or not the Rebel network and the Rebel Alliance are essentially the same thing, or is the Rebel Alliance formally founded at a later time? Reddyredcp (talk) 19:07, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
      • The Rebel Alliance was formally founded at a later time. This is a proto-rebellion. It's still a loose collection of cells at this point. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 19:31, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Conflict

Does anyone else think that there should be a conflict page made about the rebellion's actions?--D9328 (talk) 03:02, July 18, 2016 (UTC)d9328

It seems like it would certainly be more useful and clear in terms of structure. I don't object. -GeneralZELITE

excessive duplication

A lot of the 'history' part of this page is the same information as the Phoenix Rebel Cell page. While obviously most of the information we have right now comes from the Star Wars Rebels show, the way the page is written it makes it sound like the Lothal and Phoenix cell's make up the whole of the Rebellion, which is clearly untrue. Ideally this page should be rewritten to focus on the larger network rather than the actions of two specific cells within the network. I suggest a start with the history section, paring down the events described to only those where multiple cells were involved. Providing a list of Known cells, including links to appropriate pages where possible, would be preferable over trying to shoehorn in everything. 50.21.197.234 06:47, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

• I think you are right. Maybe the Free Ryloth Movement could also be talked about here. After all they did kind of join the rebellion when they started working togetherHarshg (talk) 13:36, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox Members List

The members list in the rebellion infobox is getting way too cluttered. Should we just list the different factions or remove it in its entirety? Either way, though, that huge list is getting a bit ridiculous. - Captain Parmenter (talk) 22:52, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

• Agreed, for example it would be best to have Free Ryloth movement and leave it at that, and not have to list every member of the Free Ryloth movement underneath that, same with Lothal rebels etc --Lewisr (talk) 22:55, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
  • I was planning to create a section like the one of the ships but with the members, and leaving only in the infobox the cells that are part of it. Is it ok?? --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 22:29, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
    • That would be better than having them all in the infobox --Lewisr (talk) 23:59, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I added the new section with the members and left in the infobox the cells that are part of the rebellion--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:04, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Expansion

Would be a good idea to expand more the origins section including the Lords of the Sith novel events with the Free Ryloth Movement and the events of Tarkin and the Berch Teller insurgency ??--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:15, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

• I don't think there's been any indication that the rebels of Lords of the Sith and Tarkin had any connection to what would become the Mothma/Organa/Tano rebellion. Cham Syndulla worked with their rebellion eventually, but he was resistant to them until the events of "Homecoming." - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 01:06, January 1, 2017 (UTC)
  • Maybe the Free Ryloth Movement could be added, or just as a background of how rebel cells existed or where formed in the galaxy before the network was expanded or made more public. Also adding the Corellian Resistance from Insider that until now hasnt been confirmed part of the network but we can add them as examples of unorganized movements until this --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 01:10, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Separatists

They are not affiliated with the rebellion only to lothal rebels, they form a partnership between both of them, making them more like members than an affiliation. affiliation would be more appropiated in the lothal rebels page--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 18:35, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Bail Organa's unit?

Been thinking about it for a while—should we have a page for "Bail Organa's rebel cell"? With the revelations of the Ahsoka novel, Droids in Distress, Ghosts of Geonosis, etc., I think it's necessary. What about y'all? –Nivlacanator^(talk) 02:13, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Rebel Alliance

According the the Rebel Alliance's entry in the Databank, "Secret Cargo" saw the foundation of the Rebel Alliance proper. - AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 21:06, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

• Already on it, :) --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:06, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
• I noticed that as well. It may be best to get confirmation from someone on the Story Group before anyone starts incorporating that into articles, however. Cevan (talk) 21:08, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
  • Databank is canon source per the sourcing policy that was just updated today with the information --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:09, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
    • The Databank is known to get things wrong sometimes (it's written by SW.com staff, not the Story Group) so double checking with an actual creator is a good idea. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 21:10, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
      • Yeah, that was my feeling as well. - AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 21:12, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
        • I understand the feeling, just sometimes people ask for sources and the only proof people give is a databank page and its used as canon, so consider that in the future. Besides the databank the Rogue One guide has mentioned this fact too.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:15, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
          • Given the intense interest in this subject, it's better to be clear about the distinction between the moment these cells all first met up and the formal foundation of the Alliance to Restore the Republic. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 21:16, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
            • Already sent a tweet to both Pablo, Leland and Matt in case they see it --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:20, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
              • I'm guessing there's been no further word on this? Cevan (talk) 17:08, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Merge with the Alliance page?

So what should we do about this page? this seems to be the most hot topicJkirk8907 (talk) 03:03, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

• We already have an ongoing conversation about that here. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 03:04, October 22, 2017 (UTC)