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Force blast?

Some jedi chanel the force into destructive blast, like in the Dragonball series, would this just count as a concentraited force push, or as a more powerful use of the schwarts?

New appearances added

I have added a number of new sources where telekinesis has appeared or was used. I included all uses of moving objects mentally, such as Darth Maul's triggering of the doors in the Theed palace in Episode I that I can remember right off hand.

Could someone please update this to include the NJO, Swarm War and beyond? I don't have any of those books. Ditto on most BBY materials, because that's what libraries are for. What is the first book of the Kevin J. Anderson series that introduces Kyp Durron? I could not remember. TK also features in those video games with Kyle Katarn. If no one else fixes this, I'll do some research a little later.

Atarumaster88

i don't remember TK being used in a new hope? i only remember the force being used on minds —Unsigned comment by 74.132.69.186 (talk • contribs)

  • Vader's crushing of Motti's throat was an exercise in telekinesis. jSarek 02:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
    • In my opinion that was Force Choke, a seperate power from telekinesis.

Merging

This goes for almost all of the articles suggested, they appear to be completely different powers. I know in the games released that I know of, telekinesis doesn't exist unless you consider Force Push, and Force Pull, however in The Force Unleashed there appears to be a distinction, (Force Repulse from telekinesis) in the games however they seem to treat Force Choke and telekinesis as different as well, the only instance I can think of that would seem to indicate that Force Choke/Grip are the same as Telekinesis is in The Force Unleashed they were used at the same time, however there are many instances movies, games (KOTOR you lifted the chairs, Force Unleashed you threw the debree, Jedi Academy initially you can't lift someone with Grip), and EU in which Telekinesis was used in a way that is neither Force Push, nor Pull, nor Choke/Grip. So in my opinion it should not be merged. 2Corin 517 17:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree; a merge would be counterproductive. These Force powers are listed in different sources as distinct abilities; mostly in video games and role playing, but not exclusively. Force Wind, which I hadn't heard of before, is apparently from I, Jedi. Force Choke/Grip (I do think those two should be merged together) has a popularity in its own right from the first movie. Force Push only really became a big factor in the prequel trilogy. Yes, they are all forms of telekinesis. But, with that argument, we could redirect every single aspect of the Force under the Force, from choking to mind tricks. We could merge the vast majority of firearms under the blaster article. The articles would be way too large, as it would in this case if we merged all of the Force powers there. Also, the word "telekinesis" is hardly mentioned in Star Wars sources, whereas all of these powers gain several mentions in their own right. Just my opinion. -BaronGrackle 17:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

  • It was decided at Forum:CT:Merge Force Power variants? that all Force Power variants are to be merged, so any variants of Telekenisis, such as push/pull/choke and all the others are suppose to be merged here. 96.233.189.229 03:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

So it was! Merging Chain Lightning into regular Force Lightning is fine and dandy, mind you, but are you really going to place Force Choke here in this article, side by side with Force Push? I won't stop you or anything, but... man. So many of those articles are not stubs, and you are going to lose a lot of information if you don't want this page ridiculously large. Just have a look at Wikipedia's article on Telekinesis. Notice anything? There are links, all throughout the page, to different subarticles. Levitation, deformation, and thoughtform are only a few. If Wikipedia can justify an article on "levitation" separate from "telekinesis", should we really say that Force Choke/Grip is not distinct enough from other utilizations of telekinesis to merit its own article? Think about the other articles here. Should all firearms be merged under blaster? Repeating blaster, for instance, is the same thing as any other blaster, only it is used in a specific way. The vote decided that redundant or unnecessary articles should be merged, but that doesn't mean every similar article needs merging. With all that "telekinesis" emcompasses, what did you have in mind for a lead image? Someone using telekinesis to constrict a neck, someone using telekinesis to throw an object, someone using telekinesis to push someone else into a wall, someone using telekinesis to levitate, or someone using telekinesis to feed Padme a fruit? Merging some of these stubs is not a bad idea—I'm not saying it is—but the consensus you guys reached on that page was clearly not an all-or-nothing endorsement. Some things can be merged while others are left. -BaronGrackle 08:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Force Choke is simply using telekinesis to choke someone, it isn't a seperate or distinct ability, it is simply telekinnesis. The consensus was to merge force power variants. And Choke, Push, Pull, and all the others are all simply telekinesis used in different ways, they aren't really seperate abilities. Therefore they should all be merged here. Someone will have to merge them eventually. If you have a problem with which articles should or shouldn't be merged, maybe you should go talk to Darth Culator, since he ([1]) was the one who added the merge tags to the article in the first place. 96.233.178.129 20:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, some people didn't like the Vader/Anakin merge, but they have to live with it, so people like me will just have to live with this, once it actually happens. Meanwhile, blaster, blaster pistol, and sporting blaster all have their separate pages. Moping aside, I'm sure it can all be made into a nice article. -BaronGrackle 22:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Dealing with the merging issue

Okay, I have thoroughly read the debate about the merging. I'm going to try and merge the different Force powers without making this article unreadable. Please add comments / return to previous versions if you think it is not worth it (if the merging appears to be an unhappy one). Darth Virs 17:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

  • I think you should revert it back simply because, until a consensus has been reached on the matter, the articles should not be merged. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 20:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
    • A consensus has already been reached. This makes it clear that the consensus is to merge all force power variants. 96.240.187.4 20:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Darth Virs, two things about this merge that I noticed: It looks like you haven't redirected any of the merged articles (after merging those articles here, you should have also redirected them here as well). Also, I noticed that there are a couple articles you forgot to merge, such as Saber barrier and Telekinetic lightsaber combat, both of them are variants of telekinesis, so they should be merged as well. 96.240.187.4 20:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Also, you should probably merge the Appearances, Sources and Behind the scenes sections from those articles into the Appearances, Sources and Behind the scenes sections of this article. 96.240.187.4 20:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Just a thing: Is there a consensus about that consensus? I mean: Are all these powers really TK-related? This is where I would follow JMAS. I have doubt concerning some of them, including "Up the walls", particularly, or even "Force flight", at least to some extent... Let's just clarify that, shall we? Because I think having like 100 "That article should be merged..." is just plain hideous, stupid, and really does not look encyclopaedia-like... I will deal with the redirections, etc. later on, I have not finished yet, that was just a first batch of merging. Darth Virs 20:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Another thing occurs to me: I am not sure how to draw the line between what look like game mechanics and actual Force powers. Somehow, all the choke/grip/crush, and the push/wave/whirlwind could be considered various "levels" of the same power. Is that any different from the famous example Improved Force Heal/Master Force Heal? I feel it is, but still, guidelines are not clear enough, that is for sure. Could anyone help me on that one? Darth Virs 21:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I, personally, think that the merge is outrageous. This is not Wikipedia; this is a wiki for Star Wars! Therefore, we should split this into many articles. I agree that Push/Pull should be one article, but come one, Force Choke? Force Crush? True, they all used telekinesis, but by that same token, we should merge "Light side of the Force" and "Dark side" into just "The Force." All of these are important articles, and I say revert this to the original, or this format:
Telekinesis (Push/Pull/Throw)
Force Grip (Includes Choke)
Force Crush
Telekinetic Lightsaber combat

If people still persist on keeping them one, I suppose you could merge Tel. Lightsaber combat with "Telekinesis." Darth AnxorRevanchist SithSith Order 16:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

  • To quote what Darth Culator said to Fbh bard at User talk:Fbh bard: "there was overwhelming support for merging force power varieties into their parent articles, and this means that all examples and applications of telekinesis will be merged into the telekinesis article.". In other words, it was decided to merge force power variants, so the articles will stay merged. 96.233.176.99 20:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
    • True, but I do not see Force Choke as being a branch of telekinesis. We could have two articles, one for telekinesis and one for grip/choke/crush.
      • Choke, grip, and crush are all applications of Telekinesis. Choke/grip is just using Telekinesis to choke/telekinetically squeeze someones wind pipe, and Crush is just using Telekinesis to crush someones body/bones. They're all just using Telekinesis in different ways. They're still Telekinesis, so they stay merged. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should take it up with Darth Culator, since he was the Admin who added the merge tags in the first place. 96.233.184.57 04:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Mirta Gev being Force choked?

I think that it should be added that Darth Caedus choked Mirta Gev while he was trying to rescue Tahiri on Pellaeon's flagship.--Jedi Kasra 04:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Force choke

OK, I have one problem with the merging of Force choke into this article. I don't see Force choke as a TK power. TK related powers are, obviously, those using the force to move an object, make an object hover, etc. All the other variations of TK powers do seem to fit here, but I think Force choke (with all its sub-variants) is distinctive enough to warrant its own article. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 15:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I disagree. Force Choke is simply using telekinesis to choke someone, it's really nothing more than that. Choke is a telekinetic power, so it should stay merged with telekinesis. The CT decision was to merge all force power variants, and Choke is a variant of telekinesis. 96.240.191.128 15:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Pardon me, but technically Force Choke is just using the Force to grab someone by the neck and lift them up. It's the same as when you grab a lightsaber and levitate it towards you. The only difference is you're grabbing a person's body part. So, yes, it's just telekinesis, and any Jedi should be able to use it if they wanted to.
  • Ya it should stay under Telekinesis,In heros tv show the main villian has telekinesis and can choke like force choke.So ya it dosent nee a article.Sith-venator 9:14Pm 9-10-08
    • Any reason why Anakin's use of the choke on Padme isn't ment'd here? I think it's signif b/c, chronologically, it's the 1st time it's used in the series. Quiscustodiet 14:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

where exactly in 'Courtship' does it show Luke using Force choke on a Nightsister?

Can this particular Force power be used without visual (for instance, Dark Jedi / Sith choking someone who is talking to him only by voice communication)? I recall that in Ultimate Sith Edition Starkiller was able to choke his captain this way...

Ballistakinesis

Since Ballistainkesis has been merged here, wouldn't it be a good idea to at least MENTION it somewhere? I'd do it myself, but I don't recall the old article well enough to summarize it. Dewback rancher 01:53, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

FORCE WIND USER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sith Stalker used this power in the trial of Spirite Against Starkiller. --Tamás Kiss 13:52, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

  • Pretty sure that part, along with all other appearances of Starkiller wearing the Sith Stalker armor, is not cannon. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though. --DarthZaiger 18:41, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller%27s_Trial_of_the_Spirit --Tamás Kiss 13:52, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

  • I didn't realize that level was canon, I stand corrected. I would say force wind would be grouped with force push/pull maybe? It has been a long time since I have played the first one, I will check out the battle on youtube later and see. --DarthZaiger 18:25, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
  • I see what you are talking about now. At 5 minutes 35 seconds he uses it I think. Anyone else want to take a look? --DarthZaiger 21:39, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Problem

THE TELEKINESIS IS NOT FORCE POWER?--Tamás Kiss 13:54, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

  • Telekinesis, abbreviated TK, was a neutral ability that most Force-sensitives had. First line in the article. --DarthZaiger 18:43, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

I ask because of this: "Darth Vader's valet also utilized telekinesis, a power said to be inherent to his species. It is unknown whether this was a manifestation of Force-sensitivity or some other kind of supernatural talent."--Tamás Kiss 13:54, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

"Similarly, certain other species, such as Mind-witches, also held telekinetic powers that may or may not have been Force-related."

  • That is a good point. Maybe there should be a section added. Can you tell me a good source or two where it explains this? I know I have heard this before but I am not sure where. --DarthZaiger 18:22, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I do not know.This shocked me. Here the wookiepedia these two point .But this totally impossible.The telekinesis the manipulation of the flow the force.

Maybe, that the energy vampires are able to drain it the force energies and they are able to be used the force.

Darth Vader valet simply did not know.--Tamás Kiss 13:54, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

  • Oh I didn't understand you. I thought you were saying that you thought something should be added explaining non-force telekinesis. The article is not saying that all telekinesis is non-force, just that a few characters in Star Wars had the power which may or may not have been force-related. Is this what you were asking? --DarthZaiger 21:15, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me.I do not have it understood. I now understand . I thank him for having explained it .:)--Tamás Kiss 13:54, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

  • No problem, anytime. Just remember to sign your posts in the future with four tildes (~), like this ~~~~. Glad I could help :) --DarthZaiger 17:48, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Since when was Force Push a blast of air?

I seem to remember that Force Push was simply the opposite of Force Pull. It often does damage due to collisions against the wall or some other object, and only the likes of Galen Marek use it regularly as an attack on its own. Where exactly does it say that Force Push can be compared to explosions, or that it has anything to do with pressurized air?

Can Force Choke be used on opponents that cannot be seen in any way.

I have someone telling me that Darth Vader can force choke at a distance over 200 feet with his vision obstructed. He doesn't know where he is. Is this possible? He cites Darth Charatis's force attack on his apprentice while in his meditation sarcophagus as evidence. Is there any evidence of this? Please use canon. If so then this probably needs a serious editing. Also, is there any proof of needing visualization to use the force?

Main image

Anyone else think it would be better if the main image was that one of Anakin in Ep II, since it's probably best if a film one was used rather than a EU one. Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 09:39, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

  • If there's a live action that is an example, from the movies or whatever other material, it should be used over a drawn image. There are extenuating circumstances, like how Talon Karrde looked away from the camera, but this isn't one of them and the image should be changed. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 22:54, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Force Flight Ep VIII

force crush is full of original research

those abilities are virtually the same thing and i really doubt that jedi used this ability, instead they used force grip because 1.there are known neutral techniques that allow force users (jedi) to immobilize something, so what prevents someone like windu being able to apply pressure? (at a high enough degree, apply a damaging amount of pressure that had the potential to crush an opponent's bones and organs or inflict other forms of injury.) what i'm saying is that the entire paragraph regarding force crush is just assumptions. who said that windu used force crush on grievous? who said that obi wan used force crush? isn't it more sensible for it to be listed as a use of force grip as an example of using the ability without giving into dark side emotions? more than likely force crush exists only because it was used to separate the crushing grip and the grabbing grip in some old republic game, it was never meant to be seen as a full-fledged in lore ability Floorbreak (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)