Siege
Are we sure that its actually taking place during the Siege of Mandalore, and not a siege that is taking place during the Great Purge of Mandalore? To me, it makes more sense that is what Gideon is actually referring to --Lewisr (talk) 03:45, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah that's what I was also thinking. It makes more sense given the context--Vitus InfinitusTalk 03:54, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Or if we can't be sure, we should just say it was during a siege and not link it to anything --Lewisr (talk) 03:59, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- The episode does uses Siege of Mandalore instead of siege of Mandalore. It could have taken place during the CW, but who knows--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:12, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- I think its a bit too vague to say for sure one way or the other --Lewisr (talk) 04:21, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- It is a bit vague but Moff Gideon says "Perhaps […] Din Djarin, has heard the songs of the Siege of Mandalore, when gunships outfitted with similar ordnance laid waste to fields of Mandalorian recruits in The Night of a Thousand Tears," the context seems to be that he is talking about the blaster cannon and how the gunships at the Siege of Mandalore had similar weapons and did a lot of damage. I mean the Siege lead to the Empire occupying Mandalore, which eventually leads to the Great Purge, which seems like something Gideon would taunt Din with. I think is safe to leave it referring to the Siege of Mandalore from the Clone Wars, even though we can't know for sure until Season 7 of the Clone Wars . LadyVader1005 (talk) 04:26, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- It's actually not vague at all, the Mandalorian flat out said that Moff Gideon was in the ISB during this event...if this was during the Clone Wars, he would have been apart of the RSB. This proves that it was in the Imperial Era, and needs to be changed.
- You are combining two different conversations. Din made no mention of the Siege of Mandalore, that was all Gideon. Din was talking about how the Moff knew his name, which was because Gideon was in the ISB during the Great Purge and had access to Mandalore's records. As far we know the Siege and the Purge are two seperate events.LadyVader1005 (talk) 09:32, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- No, I'm not. There is no way that Moff Gideon acquired the Dark Saber in the Clone Wars Siege of Mandalore, because Maul had it. It then was found in Dathomire in Rebels in 5-7bby and given to Bo Katan at the end of the Mandalorian Arc. This would mean that the "Great Purge" or later is when he got it. Regardless of when he got it, its FAR after the Clone War's Siege of Mandalore. We also know that Din was almost done with his training during the Night of a Thousand Tears. He was about...8 in his flashback, so if it takes him 10-12 years to train this would place him LONG after the start of the Imperial Era. --Darthrange1 (talk) 09:57, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- The music track that plays during Din's flashback is called "A Thousand Tears", hinting that it takes place in the Siege. UberSoldat93 (talk) 09:46, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- That makes even less sense, because that was the CIS attacking an unknown planet that we know is not Mandalore. "I was not born on Mandalore." Going to chalk that one up to something else, and is not related. Regardless the link to the "Siege of Mandalore" aka the Clone Wars event with Tanno should be removed until more information is given. We know this much at least.--Darthrange1 (talk) 09:57, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Going to have to agree, we don't know enough about the fallout of the Civil War era Mandalorian uprising, to be sure, but we know that the Night of a Thousand Tears can't have happened during the Clone Wars. As Din was only a child during a CIS attack. The Clone Wars only lasted 3 years, and by his own admission in Episode 8 he was fully trained on the night of it happening. This would also explain why Moff Gideon has the Dark Saber. Although how Sabine survives is a total mystery.--Darthrange1 (talk) 09:56, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- That makes even less sense, because that was the CIS attacking an unknown planet that we know is not Mandalore. "I was not born on Mandalore." Going to chalk that one up to something else, and is not related. Regardless the link to the "Siege of Mandalore" aka the Clone Wars event with Tanno should be removed until more information is given. We know this much at least.--Darthrange1 (talk) 09:57, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- The music track that plays during Din's flashback is called "A Thousand Tears", hinting that it takes place in the Siege. UberSoldat93 (talk) 09:46, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- No, I'm not. There is no way that Moff Gideon acquired the Dark Saber in the Clone Wars Siege of Mandalore, because Maul had it. It then was found in Dathomire in Rebels in 5-7bby and given to Bo Katan at the end of the Mandalorian Arc. This would mean that the "Great Purge" or later is when he got it. Regardless of when he got it, its FAR after the Clone War's Siege of Mandalore. We also know that Din was almost done with his training during the Night of a Thousand Tears. He was about...8 in his flashback, so if it takes him 10-12 years to train this would place him LONG after the start of the Imperial Era. --Darthrange1 (talk) 09:57, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- You are combining two different conversations. Din made no mention of the Siege of Mandalore, that was all Gideon. Din was talking about how the Moff knew his name, which was because Gideon was in the ISB during the Great Purge and had access to Mandalore's records. As far we know the Siege and the Purge are two seperate events.LadyVader1005 (talk) 09:32, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- It's actually not vague at all, the Mandalorian flat out said that Moff Gideon was in the ISB during this event...if this was during the Clone Wars, he would have been apart of the RSB. This proves that it was in the Imperial Era, and needs to be changed.
- It is a bit vague but Moff Gideon says "Perhaps […] Din Djarin, has heard the songs of the Siege of Mandalore, when gunships outfitted with similar ordnance laid waste to fields of Mandalorian recruits in The Night of a Thousand Tears," the context seems to be that he is talking about the blaster cannon and how the gunships at the Siege of Mandalore had similar weapons and did a lot of damage. I mean the Siege lead to the Empire occupying Mandalore, which eventually leads to the Great Purge, which seems like something Gideon would taunt Din with. I think is safe to leave it referring to the Siege of Mandalore from the Clone Wars, even though we can't know for sure until Season 7 of the Clone Wars . LadyVader1005 (talk) 04:26, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- I think its a bit too vague to say for sure one way or the other --Lewisr (talk) 04:21, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- The episode does uses Siege of Mandalore instead of siege of Mandalore. It could have taken place during the CW, but who knows--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:12, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Or if we can't be sure, we should just say it was during a siege and not link it to anything --Lewisr (talk) 03:59, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
The Mandalorian wasn't present during the siege. The dialogue is "Or perhaps the decommissioned Mandalorian hunter, Din Djarin, has heard the songs of the Siege of Mandalore, when gunships outfitted with similar ordnance laid waste to fields of Mandalorian recruits in The Night of a Thousand Tears" emphasis on heard songs. Gideon being an ISB officer is after this, during the Purge. Nothing connects both events.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 11:08, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Kinda odd if this is true, seeing as Moff Gideon talks about the other two character's personal experiences, Cara Dune's personal view on her fellow troopers being vaporized, or how Karga search his personal experience of being a Magistrate. It's a little odd to put in the middle of that, an event meant to invoke terror to a person who wasn't there. But at the minimum it should be unlinked from the Clone Wars Siege of Mandalore until confirmation. --Darthrange1 (talk) 11:23, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Again, Gideon asks Djarin if he has heard the songs. - Approved Trash
(Comlink) 11:29, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Hearing the songs, and being present are not mutually exclusive. Until it is confirmed it should be unlinked. --Darthrange1 (talk) 11:39, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing says that it can't be the only Siege of Mandalore that we know of. Since there's only one so far and there's no contradiction given at any point. I dont think it should be removed--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 11:52, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Hearing the songs, and being present are not mutually exclusive. Until it is confirmed it should be unlinked. --Darthrange1 (talk) 11:39, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
- Again, Gideon asks Djarin if he has heard the songs. - Approved Trash
Name
Is there a reason the title of this page includes the definite article "The" ? Toqgers (talk) 02:20, June 18, 2020 (UTC)