Talk: Ludo Kressh

Article milestones Date Process Result September 19, 2009 Featured article nomination Success January 5, 2010 Featured article by Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing September 11, 2011 Featured article review Kept December 1, 2011 Featured article
Current status: Featured article

Succession

I wouldn't really say that Nadd succeeded Kressh. Kressh went back to the Sith Empire and was never heard from again, whereas Nadd learnt from the spirit of Naga Sadow on Yavin IV. If anything, Nadd succeeded Sadow, and Kressh began a totally DIFFERENT line of succession, still in the Empire. QuentinGeorge 06:05, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Agree? Disagree? Anybody? QuentinGeorge 06:12, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry but I disagree. During the absence of Sadow, Kressh crowned himself as the new Dark Lord, although this title belonged to Sadow in that time. When Sadow returned to the Empire, Ludo planned to attack Sadow's fleet, but Sadow made one of his own ships crash into Kressh's flagship and Kressh was killed in the explosion. Consequently he could never return to the Sith Empire. I would rather say Sadow succeeded Kressh and later Nadd succeeded Sadow. In my opinion Kressh never really was the Dark Lord because Sadow legitmately owned the title and was officially crowned in contrast to Ludo Kressh.

• If Kressh's being a Dark Lord is disputed, does he really belong in the Sith Masters category? Demented Smiloid 15:54, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Just like those Galactic Emperor A in oppose to Galactic Emperor B incident. Darth Kevinmhk 15:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

remains

• I know this is canon (from KOTOR2, right?) But how can one recover his remains and bury them? I thought the collision would destroy everything. Darth Kevinmhk 15:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

maybe peices of him they found in space

maybe it's a fake :O

Illusions?

• The Jedi Exile visited the tomb once. The Jedi Exile knew unmistakeably that illusions of Malak and his followers were just those - illusions. However, when she saw Kreia deeper in the tomb, she could not discern whether her presence was real, or also another vivid hallucination. Were those really illusions? I find no such thing in the articles of Revan, Malak, Kreia and Jedi Exile. Darth Kevinmhk 17:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Before and After

• Having Sadow as Dark Lord both before and after, is that really correct? If you go by the comics he accepted his fate and went into exile, not reclaiming the title. You could argue that he started to use it again when Nadd found him and he understood that the Sith had been anihilated, if you want... But isn't it better to have the succession boxes as easily navigated as possible? Charlii 09:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• From what I can see, Sadow still claimed to be Dark Lord when Nadd reawakened him, thus being able to "legitimately" pass on the title. It can be argued either way, but, IMO, this makes the boxes more navigable, since the Sadow one goes Ragnos -> Sadow (opposed by Kressh) -> Freedon Nadd, meaning Kressh slots in between Sadow and Sadow (in other words, the navigation goes; Ragnos -> Sadow-> Kressh -> Sadow -> Nadd). If that makes any sense. QuentinGeorge 09:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, I guess it does. It's just that I used the Sadow -> Kressh -> Nadd argument in the Kreia discussion... ;) Charlii 09:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I guess "Ragnos -> Sadow / Kressh opposing each other -> Nadd" is the best solution for both Sadow & Kressh articles, with Nadd article remain Sadow as previous Lord. Because first it prevent the boxes from too complex, second both Sadow and Kressh's "active" period was actually the same years. Although it's true that Sadow became the only Dark Lord again after Kressh's death, his inactive status didnt really worth us to twist 2 articles' boxes into some complex things. Darth Kevinmhk 11:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Homeworld

I'm removing Ziost as Ludo Kressh's homeworld until a source is provided. It was the adopted homeworld of the Sith species as a whole, but not necesserily of each and every individual. In this case Rhelg seems more likely, but that's only a guess. Gorthuar 20:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

name origins

is his name at all related to the word ludicrous Ralok 23:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

"In battle, Kressh utilized a Sith war sword that he infused with the power of the Force before a duel; however, he was not as skilled a duelist as Naga Sadow, who quickly and easily gained the upper hand on Kressh in their duel after Marka Ragnos' funeral."

It suggests under this section that Ludo Kressh was extremely inferior when put up against Naga Sadow, I believe this is more a personal view and a bit of an exaggeration of what actually happened.

What we see of the battle is that they both attack, the first where Kressh is slashing downwards and Sadow seems to be overwelmed, on the defensive. Then Kressh slashes again, to try and takes off the head, Sadow ducks and continues to step back on the defensive of Kressh's flurry. Sadow then uses the Force to slam some bricks from the wall into Kressh's head, knocking him to the ground, stopping Kressh's attack and giving Sadow a chance to fight back - which he does. After Kressh gets up, Sadow slashes at him, driving Kressh back and onto the defensive while Sadow is now taking the offensive. Sadow drives Kressh down some stairs, both then stop glaring at each other both gritting their teeth. Kressh has a smoking shoulder and blood from the bricks smashing into his head. Sadow has a sliced shoulder spike and a smoking headpiece. Both are sweating equally. Then Marka Ragnos interupts.

To me this seems very equally matched, therefore, if others agree or no one dissagrees, I would suggest a re-phrasing of that paragraph in the powers and abilities section and where-ever this battle comes up. Thanks--Obi-wan Jacobi 09:31, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

• What does everybody think?--Obi-wan Jacobi 07:33, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
  • Ok, no ones disagreeing so I'm going to go and change it.—Obi-wan Jacobi 21:58, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Picture(s)

Are we all aware that the picture of Naga Sadow in the article is the Human version...not the actual version, shouldn't this be changed to a picture of Sadow that actually shows Sith features on him?

Also the main picture of Ludo Kressh; this one here I think is probably a better image than the one we have because this is more detailed. Thoughts? --Obi-wan Jacobi 22:29, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

• Agree? Disagree? Any thoughts?--Obi-wan Jacobi 07:35, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
  • As far as this goes, this article is up for Featured Article nomination. You might want to contact the nominator, IFYLOFD, before making such a change to what he has already worked on.—Tommy9281 ^{(No truth in me)} 23:22, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
    • Will do. Thanks.—Obi-wan Jacobi 23:48, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
      • Obi-wan, which Sadow picture are you referring to? i had one of him in the article but removed it; also, if you want to change the infobox pic, fine with me. That image is pretty much better. IFYLOFD ^{(You will pay the price for your lack of vision!)} 00:45, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
        • Ahh yes, I see you did remove the Sadow picture from the article, all good then (it was the one that was Sadow in human form) :). Ok then, thanks I'll change the infobox picture then since you're fine with it. Thanks! —Obi-wan Jacobi 00:53, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
          • Yeah. Sorry I took so long to respond. IFYLOFD ^{(You will pay the price for your lack of vision!)} 03:26, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
            • Not a problem! :) —Obi-wan Jacobi 23:37, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Sith/human hybrid?

If we are going ot list Ludo Kressh as any sort of hybrid, I think we should just leave it at that: a Sith Hybrid. Very few of his features suggest a prominantly human background, as opposed to Naga Sadow. I think that he is either at the point where he is mostly just a Sith species, or would have a small amount of Dark jedi ancestry of a race other than human -- considering his still long, clawed fingers and toes, etc. Nowhere is it specifically listed or suggested that any prominant part of his being is human.

• Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force says somewhere that he is a half-breed I remember, that was only a persons account of the Great Hyperspace War though so I'm not sure if that can be counted as hard evidence, it would help if there was more sources stating Kressh's bloodline. He certainly shows all phenotypic characteristics of a Sith (pure-blooded), which would suggest that he has only a little "Jedi" blood....but thats my opinion, not canon. But yeah, I think it would be safer to just Say "Sith hybrid" for now.—Obi-wan Jacobi 00:52, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Someone recently added 'half-breed' to his species. What is the source that states this? We know he'd a hybrid to some extent but I highly doubt he is anywhere less than 2/3rds Sith Calithlin 04:36, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

• The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia says it. Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force also said it I'm pretty sure I remember, but since that was based on people's views on matters in universe I did not count it as totally accurate. However, the CSWE does not lie. :( —Obi–wan Jacobi ^(Talk) 04:42, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

+ Additional info

There is a mention of Kressh in Star Wars: The Old Republic, specifically Chapter 3 of the Sith Inquisitor storyline:

This could be incorporated into the article. - - - OOM 224 ༼༽^{talk}༼༽ 05:44, May 10, 2020 (UTC)