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Is there an official confirmation that they are the Knights of Ren? —Unsigned comment by 193.140.194.42 (talk • contribs)

Aftermath

I think there was some information about the knights of ren in the book, STAR WARS AFTERMATH and I don't remember exactly but should I read that part again and add what I know? —Unsigned comment by Agent es (talk • contribs)

  • Those were the Acolytes of the Beyond. At this point it's unclear what the connection is between the Acolytes of the Beyond and The Force Awakens, assuming there is one. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:32, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
  • Did the Acolytes recover Anakin/Luke's blue saber? Wapakguy (talk) 16:01, December 18, 2015 (UTC)Wapakguy

The Force Is With Me 03:53, March 7, 2016 (UTC)It isn't really confirmed yet who recovered Anakin's Lightsaber after the Duel On Cloud City. We obviously know Maz Kanata had it but we don't know yet if she is the one who recovered it. But i can say that after The Battle Of Endor 3 Acolytes purchased from Ooblamon a junk dealer what he claimed was Darth Vader's Lightsaber The one Vader lost on the Second Death Star and The Acolytes believed it really was the saber and bought it and intended to return it to Vader in death. Later it was revealed Ooblamon wasn't sure if it actually was The Lightsaber. So i guess to answer your question. No they didn't recover Anakin's Lightsaber but rather what was believed to be the saber of his former self Darth Vader. —Unsigned comment by Eclipse3161999 (talk • contribs)

Ren origins?

The article at the moment seems to imply that Kylo joined the knights of ren and changed his name as a result. I'm not asking for anything to be changed at this point, but isn't it possible he changed his name to Kylo Ren and the group formed around him? 101.184.6.35 04:52, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

I have a tendency to agree here. Snoke refers to him as "The Master of the Knights of Ren". We don't know if Kylo Ren changed his name because of the Knights, or if the Knights are so named because of Kylo. Until there is some sort of confirmation, I feel we shouldn't be giving information that may turn out to be contrary. It would be safer to say "Kylo Ren was a member of the group, but it is unknown if he took his surname as a result of membership in the group or if the name of the group was named after him." Rezin8 (talk) 13:37, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if you guys have seen this since or if the reference was added after, but the first reference on the page seems to answer this. In this interview with J.J. Abrams, he says “he is a character who came to the name Kylo Ren when he joined a group called the Knights of Ren.” So that sounds like enough confirmation of where he gets his name until we hear anything further. Dominic Snyder (talk) 19:06, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
There's another interview with Adam Driver where he states "It was a group that existed before him, that he was a part of. Their place within everything is maybe more of a satellite group than I would say … This is really tricky." I can't add a link because I'm too new, but it's in an LA Times article entitled "Adam Driver of 'Star Wars' reflects on the man behind the mask, Kylo Ren". So, I agree with you Dominic. I think we can put that one to bed. Rezin8 (talk) 19:29, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Good find, Rezin8. For any future readers of this page, here is the article Rezin8 was referring to. And Rezin8, here's info on adding external links. You'll see tons of other useful tabs there with info for all kinds of Wookieepedia editing stuff! Dominic Snyder (talk) 20:14, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
-- It wasn't a problem with the markup, it was the system not allowing me to post the external link due to account age. Rezin8 (talk) 20:15, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize that was a thing. Disregard then! Dominic Snyder (talk) 20:29, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Concept art

Can concept art be added to the article? Obviously to a "behind the scenes" section... The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens has several images of them. Dax (talk) 14:59, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Battle gear

In addition to being a Vader cosplay the Visual Dictionary describes Kylo's attire as being "typical of the battle gear worn by the Knights of Ren" - or something to that effect. Can this information be added to the article? I know it's apparent that they all dress in a similar fashion, but I think some sort of mention is warranted. Dax (talk) 09:57, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

  • The knight in the far left of the image wears a distinctly Mandalorian style helmet with a T-visor. You've probably seen the images. Dax (talk) 10:49, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Founded by Kylo Ren

On p. 64 of Star Wars: The Force Awakens—The Official Visual Story Guide, it says that Kylo Ren founded the Order "after falling from the light." I don't know whether this is authoritative enough to add in.GenralHux (talk) 02:01, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

  • That's really strange, because it contradicts all information about the knights of ren that JJ and Driver have given us. Agent es (talk) 06:19, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

The Last Jedi appearance

This article lists The Last Jedi under the appearances section, but do we know for sure that the Knights of Ren will actually be appearing in the film? Please provide a source if you have one, thanks! TFJoe (talk) 20:45, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

  • Kylo Ren will appear in the film, and he's a Knight of Ren, so therefore Knights of Ren appear in the film. That's standard practice for us in terms of saying that if one member of the organization appears, the organization appears. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:09, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
    • That makes sense, thank you! TFJoe (talk) 03:03, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

The Last Jedi Spoilers

Luke says in The Last Jedi about the night Ben destroyed it all, "The temple was burning. He had vanished with a handful of my students... and slaughtered the rest." This obviously refers to the future Knights of Ren, right? 2601:246:C504:290:6848:9704:6D3C:7849 17:38, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

  • Not necessarily. During The Force Awakens the Story Group was saying that the Knights of Ren were not at the temple massacre. Now, it's entirely possible they changed their mind along the way—it's why they say don't cite tweets as canon. But we don't know fur sure yet. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:40, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

A question in regards to the text

In the beginning of the article it says "The Knights of Ren was a group of dark side users that operated under the command of Snoke,"

Is this confirmation that the group no longer exists? That they fell with Starkiller base ooor?

If not the case, should this be changed to "is"? —Unsigned comment by 2001:4641:D5E4:0:F96C:DCF:E45E:73C7 (talk • contribs)

  • Actually, everything on Wookieepedia is written in past tense. Hope this helps, Supreme Emperor (talk) 15:46, January 12, 2018 (UTC)

Six?

They might not have been six. It was just a vision and it may not be true what it shown Rey. @Mustafar29「talk」(he/him/his/hisself) 13:58, March 3, 2018 (UTC)

Additional Info

Weren't they some of Skywalker's students, who slaughtered the rest? Luke revealed that to Rey, right? And also when and after Luke Skywalker was training a new generation of Jedi, his students were killed by both Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren. Should any of that go anywhere in this article? --Retro Reed (talk) 16:50, March 18, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding what the TFA Visual Dictionary says about them

The Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary source has been used for some information that I personally have not been able to locate within the actual book. I've already removed an instance of this that used The Visual Dictionary as a source for Supreme Leader Snoke being the leader of the Knights of Ren. I was not only able to find where the reference book explicitly stated this, but information coming out now surrounding The Rise of Skywalker seems to be contradicting this anyway as the Knights seem to specifically serve Kylo Ren, their master - not to mention supplementary material for The Last Jedi said Snoke and Kylo Ren were the only two Force users known to be part of the First Order at the time. There's another sentence currently on the article that says The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary states that the Knights of Ren are also Force-users like their master, but I personally haven't been able to verify this. Does anyone know what page this may be on or what paragraph?

In the future, I think citing more specific information like this could be useful to prevent sources from being misused or misunderstood. Just an idea. Reddyredcp (talk) 15:45, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

One of the Knights of Ren may have been named

topps.com have released a new card showing one of the Knights of Ren, a couple of fan sites are suggesting this is a name. Potential spoiler, but what does everyone think? https://www.topps.com/trudgen-star-wars-galactic-moments-countdown-to-episode-9-card-154.html Plume Tray (talk) 16:18, December 15, 2019 (UTC)

  • Could be the name of the weapon, I would wait until someone official says its the Knight's name --Lewisr (talk) 16:22, December 15, 2019 (UTC)

Final Order

The page says that the 'Knights of Ren instead pledged loyalty to the resurrected Darth Sidious and the Final Order' 'After learning of their leader's redemption, the Knights of Ren instead pledged loyalty to Palpatine and served as his personal guards during the Battle of Exegol between the remains of the Resistance and the Final Order'. When exactly in the film was this? And at what point did they serve as his personal guards? --Lewisr (talk) 00:14, December 27, 2019 (UTC)

  • After the duel on Kef Bir, Darth Sidious discussed the failure of Kylo Ren with Allegiant General Enric Pryde, who became the de facto leader of the entire First Order and pledged it to the Final Order. The Knights defended the Sith Citadel's Sith Citadel throne room against Ben Solo during the Battle of Exegol. /// The film does not say anything about the Knights '[pledging] loyalty' to Sidious or being his 'personal guards'. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 10:55, December 27, 2019 (UTC)
    • I removed it, for all we know Kylo might have told them how to get to Exegol and they are just there serving their own purpose. Until something actually says they pledged loyalty to Palpatine or joined up with the Sith Eternal, we should leave it out --Lewisr (talk) 17:06, December 27, 2019 (UTC)

Surnames

Should the other Knights' pages all have the surname Ren? I think The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary confirmed that they all take Ren as a surname. Sanokal K-T (talk) 23:09, December 31, 2019 (UTC)

The Death of The Knights

Has it been confirmed they're all dead. We only see five of them directly killed. One just fell off a cliff. And considering both Palatine and Darth Maul survived similar if not worse falls how likely is it that one survived? —Unsigned comment by WOLKsite‎ (talk • contribs)

  • Fair point, in the same film Ben is thrown down a pit but survived --Lewisr (talk) 02:27, January 3, 2020 (UTC)
    • i know the above conversation is 4+ years old, but i agree on this- has it been confirmed that all six are dead? BearInsanity (talk) 04:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Removing Kylo biography after he left

Since we now know that kylo left the knights of ren before TFA, and didn't rejoin them until after TLJ, should his biography from those time periods be removed, in favor of only documenting the history of the actual knights? BearInsanity (talk) 18:54, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

  • Did he ever actually leave the organization itself, cause Snoke still calls him Master of the Knights of Ren in TFA for example. Though it might be worth cutting it down Lewisr (talk) 18:29, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
    • This is one of those classic "how much information is too much information" cases. The article should, in some way, reflect what Kylo was up to, but does it need a lot of detail or a little? For example, if you were writing up the arrest of Dasi Oran as I've considered, how much information about the suppression of Ghorman needs to be reflected in a prelude section? When writing about the B1-series battle droid, how much do I need to get into the Separatist state and military since they are its main infantry personnel. *That's* the compromise to reach. Editoronthewiki (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
      • I think that his presence in the first two sequels should be removed, since by that point Tava Ren was the master of the Knights.BearInsanity (talk) 04:29, 7 October 2025 (UTC)