Surname
where did we get confirmation his surname is Mothma? For all we know, Jobin IS his surname. He is not called "Jobin Mothma" in comic, which, IIRC, seems more naturally interpreted Jobin is his surname. "Mothma" is Mon's maiden name, being the surname of her parents. For all we know, Mothma's husband (or lover?) has the surname Jobin, which he passed on to his son.74.197.21.243 19:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
- That's a good point. Perhaps we should just have this at "Jobin." -LtNOWIS 19:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have a copy, but maybe Star Wars Insider 82 mentions it? Just a thought. Greyman(Paratus) 19:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
- He must be Mon Mothma's son, because in the book before he dies he says, "Give... Give this to my mother!" This would also prove my point that at least one of the two people with him survived!--Trask1138 18:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- I don't have a copy, but maybe Star Wars Insider 82 mentions it? Just a thought. Greyman(Paratus) 19:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Contradications
The article say's that it was one of his men who uttered the line "Imperial troops have entered the base." This is correct, but the Behind the Scenes sections gives this quote to Jobin, which isn't correct. Plus, because he didn't say it, the appearances section is wrong, too. --JuiceStain Rock on! 
20:36, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- Then who said it? This quote is attributed to Jobin in the Battle of Hoth article as well. Grand Moff Tranner
(Comlink) 20:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I just saw that. I was just about to change my comment when when I saw you replied. That doesn't change the contradiction, unfortunately.--JuiceStain Rock on! 20:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- I'm gonna go ahead and remove the contradiction that says one of his men said the line.--JuiceStain Rock on! 20:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- I'm gonna go ahead and remove the contradiction that says one of his men said the line.--JuiceStain Rock on!
- Yeah, I just saw that. I was just about to change my comment when when I saw you replied. That doesn't change the contradiction, unfortunately.--JuiceStain Rock on!
Source for "Mothma"
Where is the source that his surname is Mothma? In The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia he is found under "J", not "M" and has no last name. We can't just assume that his last name is Mothma just because he's the son of Mon. Zakor1138 01:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed, CSWE only names him as "Jobin," as does the original comic. I've moved the page accordingly. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Not Jobin
The Rebel trooper who says "Imperial troops have entered the base..." is not Jobin. Read the comic carefully; the trooper who says it is shot in the back, while Jobin is uninjured in the following scene. The other trooper also doesn't have the distinctive red band around his helmet that Jobin wears, and he's likely the dead trooper Jobin is standing over two pages later. The scene also doesn't make sense with the sequence of panels if we presume that character is Jobin. Unless some other source says otherwise (Insider 85 or the CSWE), I'll be removing all references to Jobin being this character shortly. Xicer9
(Combadge) 03:26, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I believe CSWE is intending to make the connection that Jobin is this character. CSWE reads: Jobin and his team regained control of the ion cannon's control center from Imperial snowtroopers, and he personally fired the weapon, disabling a Star Destroyer and opening an escape route for the last of the Rebel Alliance's transports. He then reported on the breach of Echo Base's defenses by Imperial forces.... Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:34, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Hm, that definitely contradicts the comic. The Rebel trooper reports the presence of Imperial troops before Jobin fires the ion cannon, and is cut off when he's shot in the back. Unless Jobin said the line again, after the other trooper said it and was shot, the CSWE is mistaken. I'd still suggest removing all references to the character being Jobin and noting the CSWE contradiction in the bts. It seems pretty clear that whoever wrote the entry made the same mistake we did. Xicer9(Combadge) 03:44, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I think it's more likely that the comic is intending to make its main character the subject of the recognizable film quote. CSWE may have mixed up the order of events, but that doesn't mean it should just be dismissed out of hand. We have a fairly straightforward inference made by the comic, which is directly supported by a secondary source. Based on that, I would feel more comfortable simply leaving this article as is. A wise man once said the easiest answer is usually the right answer. I understand your point of contention, but perhaps you're just looking too far into this one. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:55, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- The order of events in the CSWE isn't the real problem though. Just look at the sequence of the panels in the comic. In one panel, Jobin is running to reach the fire control for the ion cannon while a snowtrooper can be seen behind him. The next panel shows a character who doesn't look like Jobin (no red band, goggles are on his face instead of on his head) warning the Rebels of the presence of Imperial troops and getting shot. The third panel continues directly from the first one, with the snowtrooper from earlier grabbing Jobin just before he reaches the fire control. There is nothing here that tells me that Jobin and the other trooper are the same character, and it makes no sense given the sequence of the panels. I honestly don't think that whoever wrote the comic intended for Jobin specifically to be the one to say the line, it just doesn't make sense in the context of the comic. I would feel more comfortable going with the source material and mentioning the CSWE's likely mistake in the bts, because honestly it's an easy mistake to make. I also thought it was Jobin when I read it, but reading it again it clearly isn't him. Xicer9(Combadge) 04:12, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not debating your point that the comic seems to suggest the character in question might not be Jobin. As I said, I understand your point of contention, and I can certainly see how you arrived at this opinion. But whether you're correct or not, and I'm not saying you aren't, what it boils down to is your individual reasoning against direct supporting evidence from CSWE. Rather than dismissing CSWE out of hand and adopting your unsubstantiated analysis, respectfully speaking, I think it's best if we go with what official canon, CSWE in this case, explicitly tells us. It would be safer to leave the article as is, based on CSWE, and explain the apparent inconsistency in the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:28, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I still feel uncomfortable reporting information from a secondary source that very likely misinterpreted the source material, but I'll concede to letting the article remain this way provided a bts note is added. I'll try to get some clarification from an official source on this matter. Xicer9(Combadge) 04:49, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I still feel uncomfortable reporting information from a secondary source that very likely misinterpreted the source material, but I'll concede to letting the article remain this way provided a bts note is added. I'll try to get some clarification from an official source on this matter. Xicer9
- I'm not debating your point that the comic seems to suggest the character in question might not be Jobin. As I said, I understand your point of contention, and I can certainly see how you arrived at this opinion. But whether you're correct or not, and I'm not saying you aren't, what it boils down to is your individual reasoning against direct supporting evidence from CSWE. Rather than dismissing CSWE out of hand and adopting your unsubstantiated analysis, respectfully speaking, I think it's best if we go with what official canon, CSWE in this case, explicitly tells us. It would be safer to leave the article as is, based on CSWE, and explain the apparent inconsistency in the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:28, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- The order of events in the CSWE isn't the real problem though. Just look at the sequence of the panels in the comic. In one panel, Jobin is running to reach the fire control for the ion cannon while a snowtrooper can be seen behind him. The next panel shows a character who doesn't look like Jobin (no red band, goggles are on his face instead of on his head) warning the Rebels of the presence of Imperial troops and getting shot. The third panel continues directly from the first one, with the snowtrooper from earlier grabbing Jobin just before he reaches the fire control. There is nothing here that tells me that Jobin and the other trooper are the same character, and it makes no sense given the sequence of the panels. I honestly don't think that whoever wrote the comic intended for Jobin specifically to be the one to say the line, it just doesn't make sense in the context of the comic. I would feel more comfortable going with the source material and mentioning the CSWE's likely mistake in the bts, because honestly it's an easy mistake to make. I also thought it was Jobin when I read it, but reading it again it clearly isn't him. Xicer9
- I think it's more likely that the comic is intending to make its main character the subject of the recognizable film quote. CSWE may have mixed up the order of events, but that doesn't mean it should just be dismissed out of hand. We have a fairly straightforward inference made by the comic, which is directly supported by a secondary source. Based on that, I would feel more comfortable simply leaving this article as is. A wise man once said the easiest answer is usually the right answer. I understand your point of contention, but perhaps you're just looking too far into this one. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:55, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Hm, that definitely contradicts the comic. The Rebel trooper reports the presence of Imperial troops before Jobin fires the ion cannon, and is cut off when he's shot in the back. Unless Jobin said the line again, after the other trooper said it and was shot, the CSWE is mistaken. I'd still suggest removing all references to the character being Jobin and noting the CSWE contradiction in the bts. It seems pretty clear that whoever wrote the entry made the same mistake we did. Xicer9
Let's put this to bed, shall we?
Hey guys! I'm M.Zachary Sherman and I wrote the Hoth story, "Entrenched." I saw this discussion and I figured I'd clear this up a bit. YES: Jobin IS Mon Mothma's son. NO: He did not say the famous line "Imperial Troops have entered the base!" As you can clearly see in the art, at NO TIME during the story does Jobin EVER have his GOGGLES ON. That was so we could ID him clearly as Jobin. Also, he has a RED SCARF on his helmet and around his shoulders. The character that delivers the famous line is LCpl. Sora, a younger soldier in the Rebellion army. he is the one who is killed delivering that piece of information. YES: He is quite dead, Vader saw to that! :)
Hope this clears up some confusion and thanks for enjoying the story! If you'd like to see more, go to [www.mzacharysherman.com] for other comics and games I've worked on! —Unsigned comment by 70.95.161.128 (talk • contribs)
- (A very belated) welcome to Wookieepedia, Mr. Sherman! Unfortunately, as the talk page of a Wookieepedia article is not considered a reliable source for reference purposes, we'll be unable to make use of you intentions here. If you were to make these statements in the context of a recognized source (such as a formal interview or an official blog on the Star Wars website), we would then be able to take it into account. DD97Which bear is best? 00:34, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Jobin's father
Do we have any information on who Jobin's father was, or for that matter Lieda Mothma's (although of course they may have different ones)? It's conspicuous by its absence on both pages. —Unsigned comment by Mcc1789 (talk • contribs)
- As far as I know, besides the fact that they had a father—probably the same one too—who was alive at the time of the Battle of Hoth (confirmed by Jobin's line in a message to her mother in Entrenched: "Best to father and send my love to Lieda"), we've got nothing. But even that little could certainly be turned into an article. Tinwe(comlink) 11:18, November 9, 2012 (UTC)