Talk: Jarael

Article milestones Date Process Result August 1, 2007 Good article nomination Success August 8, 2007 Good article by Greyman August 8, 2007 Featured article nomination Success August 15, 2007 Featured article by Greyman April 19, 2009 Featured article review Kept May 23, 2009 Featured article December 20, 2009 Featured article review Removed April 25, 2010 Former Featured article
Current status: Former Featured article

Race

We were discussing this over at Talk:Perero. The author was quoted as saying that both Perero and Jarael were in fact Arkanian, but were some sort of near-human hybrid, thus explaining their hands. He wouldn't go into detail for the sake of the story, though. Personally, I think they should be reverted to being listed as Arkanian. Lonnyd 02:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• As a matter of fact, I'm going to revert this (and Perero) on monday, unless there are significant objections. Basically, you're arguing with the author. Take it up with him. Lonnyd 03:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
  • And if you revert it, then I'll keep reverting it back and eventually get an admin to lock it...or alternatively wait until I become on and then lock it myself. Canonically, they are not Arkanian until stated as such in a fully licensed source. If they didn't contradict so much about the Arkanians, then I would be fine with it but, as they do, I will object heavily. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 04:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree with Jaymach. - Breathesgelatin 04:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
      • All right, fine with me, I'm not in for an edit war, but I think this is a bit silly. You can't take the author's word? Basically you're saying we must wait for her to say "I'm an Arkanian but my mom's dad was from Coruscant, if you're wondering about why I have five fingers." Lonnyd 08:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
        • Also, If Abel G Pena's blog is a good enough source for here, why isn't JJM's? Lonnyd 17:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
          • What do we have in articles from Abel's blog? Anything that's only stated there, should only be put in the Behind the scenes sections, exactly the same as we've done for the 12 Grand Admiral's Star Destroyers. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
            • Well, for one, Ailyn Vel, and no, I'm not talking about the BTS section. Also, I saw on your page that you have the Guide to Aliens or whatever its called. Does it state in there that Arkanians have no pupils? Because JJM says he saw that as a "matter of interpretation." I was just wondering if he was was wrong. Lonnyd 18:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
              • Uh...what's on Ailyn's page that wasn't already explained in the Mandalorian article in Insider 80? I can't see anything that wasn't covered there personally. As for quotes...see below. :) —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Is it safe to say that since she and Camper are designated as Arkanian offshoot by the droid in issue 13 that this would be the proper species designation? Or, to follow a more conventional naming system classify the pair as near-Arkanians ?

• akanians refer to there near arkanian races as offshoots respect the wishes of the arkanian people

Arkanian traits

Image

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This one is way better, no ?

• Yes. - Breathesgelatin 23:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • The image is edited... I thought we didn't accept fan-edited images. - Sikon [Talk] 07:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Are you sure? It's a very common practice for comic book publishers to release cover art without the text & logos for promotional purposes. 71.203.209.0 01:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Are we sticking with one, or is that just going to fluctuate week to week?Mistrx75 01:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
        • If you mean the infobox image being changed to the cover of Dueling Ambitions then no. It's there because it's superior than anything else.--Redemption^(Talk) 04:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Timeframe

Shouldn't some sort of timeline or years be included. "Old Republic Era" is quite vague. Mrobviousjosh 17:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

• Yes. You can check the dates in the comics she appears in easily, but it should be easier. -LtNOWIS 00:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

What is the special thing about her?

We know that she has a lot of talents, but what is the special hidden thing about her. She clearly isn't force-sensitive because no one felt it but there are some hints that she may be more than meets the eye.

She is a very skilled fighter, as Alek said - better than she has a right to be. I mean, she is better then Zayne or Alek and can easily defeat multiple enemies. But, taking a head bang from a full grown adult male ithorian and then getting up, grabbing him and throwing him a few meters, isn't something any normal girl can do...

Well, for starters she has those pointy ears no other offshoot has. Adasca sais he needs her for a special project. Later he sais she doesn't seem to be what she is. For an offshoot, there's something about her that's so pureblooded. He later tells her that she could be the cure to the offshoot race. That she could restore it and her children would be true arkanians. After her blood sample was analysed, the scientists had to talk to Adasca or Eejee in person. After they showed Eejee the results, he said Adasca probably sensed what she really is, but he is shot dead by Rohlan, leaving the secret known by a smaller circle.

Rohlan also has a special interest in her, and I don't think it's love. He even followed her, hiding aboard the Last Resort. He later bargains with Adasca for his and hers escape. And he sure knows why Adasca would want her. He even threatened Lucien Draay to stick up to her and insist she has to be saved from Adasca, and he would give his last breath for her.

Lucien also knows something about her that few others know. When he sees her on a monitor he almost gives it away, but then corrects himself saying she's just the woman from Taris. Whatever the secret is, he quickly comes with the idea that she has to be killed, so Adasca's leverage would be gone.

Alek...well, I think his hormons are for blame.

So, does anyone now or can guess about her specialness? --Seth danny 19:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

• Wookieepedia isn't a place for speculation and the talk pages are not forums. If it was stated in the comics that anything was "special" about Jarael in an objective fashion, it would most likely be in the article, particularly as this is a Featured Article. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 19:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well we now know she IS force sensitive. I kinda wonder if Arkanians tried to engineer a force sensitive and Jarel is the result..

• Her secret? Well....she's probably going to end up as the Jedi Exile. 24.111.197.133 23:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

• she may be the last jedi that atton assassinates.

Name Pronunciation

Is Jarael's name meant to be pronounced "JAIR-ay-el" or "Jar-AY-el?"

• JJM pronounced it the "Ja-rail" in some audio interview a year ago I believe. --Redemption^(Talk) 03:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Seperating Personality & Traits into a Talents section

Per the layout guide, a section exclusive on her talents is NOT permitted. When and if she gets to play around with the Force, then a Powers and Abilities section will be created. Until then, the sections in the article will remain the way they are. Those responsible for creating the section have already been given fair warning about the 3RR and if they want to discuss it then they are welcome to here. Otherwise, unless what I stated above and we come to an agreement here, I don't want to see any modifications made. With that said, any op can feel free to unlock the page. --Redemption^(Talk) 19:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

If I may point out, the articles of Carth Onasi, Mission Vao, HK-47, T3-M4, General Grievous, Han Solo, Boba Fett, and others have both a personality section and talents or abilities section, and they are not force-sensituve so why should Jarael be any different? User:Atrulean Starkiller July 4 2008 (UTC)

• The only one of those worth mentioning (considering how none of the others are FAs) is Carth Onasi. I'm not sure who wrote the Carth Onasi one but whoever did wasn't paying attention to the layout guide. Your argument holds as much as weight as the argument of "he did it so why can't I?". While I can see your point in that it isn't necessarily "wrong" (okay, actually I can't since the FA guidelines say that an FA must follow the layout but whatever). But it doesn't follow the layout guide and it's already an FA, done and done with. No reason to separate them. You'd be separating them for the hell of it. --Redemption^(Talk) 01:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that droids are irrelevant in this but Carth Onasi is certainly not the only one worth mentioning. There are others besides him that have talents or abilities section and you can't ignore that, what you don't understand is that FA guidelines are just that not rules.

• Rule number four (and all rules must be followed for FA status). …follow the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies on Wookieepedia. No room for interpretation. It must be followed. --Redemption^(Talk) 16:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
• I'm not really part of this argument, and I'm not sure what way it should be for this article, but the LG says "Skills and abilities or Powers and abilities." Fwiw. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 16:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• • Skills and abilities or Powers and abilities for Force-sensitive characters is intended to show any notable abilities possessed by the character. This section is particularly appropriate for Force-sensitive characters and can include any Force powers for which the character demonstrates an aptitude. As far as we're aware of, Jarael isn't Force sensitive.

--Redemption^(Talk) 17:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes particularly for Force-sensitives not exceptionally, furthermore, almost every main character in the Knights of the Old Republic video games who was not Force-sensitive had a talents or abilities section so why shouldn't those in the comic series? As you may have noticed, I had already pointed out several notable Talents Jarael has before you reverted it. User:Atrulean Starkiller 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...and how many of those were FAs? If they were, then that's up for the Inqs to decide whether it remains one considering the guidelines. Just because others are bending and breaking the guidelines doesn't mean this one needs to. --Redemption^(Talk) 17:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I think you're misreading the sentence. It could, and probably should, be punctuated like so: "Skills and abilities -- or Powers and abilities for Force-sensitive character -- is intended to show any notable abilities possessed by the character. This section is particularly appropriate for Force-sensitive characters and can include any Force powers for which the character demonstrates an aptitude." There's nothing to say that non-Force users can't have talents sections, it's just that that passage focuses more on Force-users' sections. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 17:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Then take it up with the Inqs or whoever is in charge of writing the guidelines. Even if it was meant like that, then the section is unneeded and superfluous. --Redemption^(Talk) 17:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure that Jarael ISN'T force sensitive, her state block in the KOTOR Source book from WOTC says she is force sensitive, and the comics HAVE been alluding there's something... special about her. —Unsigned comment by Brian Davion (talk • contribs)

• She is indeed confirmed to be Force-sensitive now, but we still don't know for sure if she'll ever use the Force. She hasn't used it as of yet, so there's no need to make a Powers & abilities section. Drewton ^{(Drewton's Holocron)} 22:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yo man, mind explaining to me how Jarael's Force-sensitive and can we just go with Starkiller's idea 'bout putting a Talents and Abilities section User:Master Shannara August 23 2008 Jarael is statted out in the new Star wars roleplaying game sorucebook as force sensitive. while these books aren't ALWAYS accurate the fact the JJM was one of the writers is... telling and he's confirmed this was no mistake

Redemption has already explained why we can't split them. Drewton ^{(Drewton's Holocron)} 14:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• Considering the fact that we have yet to see Jarael to intentionally use the Force, we can't. We're still at where we were before. The Campaign Guide changes nothing besides adds a category. --Redemption^(Talk) 04:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Romantic Interest

Does she have actually a physical contact or relationship with someone, or actually states she is romantically interested in some guy? ~Hastur 189.120.3.194 10:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Since she turned down the possibility of a relationship with Alek/Malak in one issue, and beyond referring to an outing with Zayne as a date in Dueling Ambitions, she hasn't shown any interest in anybody else. While hints towards Zayne may get the imaginations of fanfiction writers and the like going, I don't think there are any confirmed facts on it yet without delving into speculation. Lathaniel

I think she has a thing for Zayne, but nothings confirmed about it. I hope they end up together and maybe in another story arc have it be about their kid or kids, but thats just me. Darth Rorac

Zayne's apprentice

As crazy as it might sound, but might we add that Zayne as would become Jarael's informal Padawan? With the things Rohlan has put out about Jarael's ability in the Force, he said that she'd make a good pupil. Remember? 70.188.129.194 20:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

• No. -- I need a name (Complain here) 20:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Just asking. 70.188.129.194 04:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Human?

I don't remember it was said that she's a Human hybrid, is it in there somewhere or is it speculation? Gratulor - User Page 05:52, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

• My bad. Meant to remove the speculation when I updated for issue 48. Fixed. --Redemption^(Talk) 05:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Needs to be amended

Powers and abilities, she may be force-sensitive but needs to be amended. Revealed in final issue #50, Demagol was the one who broke the chains not Jarael. She didn't feel a thing from exar kun's lightsaber.

• Agreed. As best I can tell pushing Zayne out of the way on the comet is the only instance we can really sure for sure was her using the Force. Her dream is a good bet though. Also, JJM co-wrote the KOTOR RPG book and Jarael is listed as Force-sensitive there. So I think it is sage to say she can use the Force.-- Skyrocket (Talk) 01:04, 24 Fed 2010 (UTC)

• Like Zayne said, she may be in touch with the Force but she isn't the wonder that Demagol imagined. --187.79.73.73 16:38, February 24, 2010 (UTC)