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Should we keep a note that the Exile in the Image may or may not be Canon? ((In terms of Apperence not Gender i know Female is Canon)) we cant be sure which head is Canon for her. or someone could upload one of her useing Force Sight and heal at the same time Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 23:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Changed it.--Domlith 10:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
- Why don't we just put the Bariss Image as the main one? It's better anyway. (Ulicus 15:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC))
- What is the dark side variant called? It says Force Heal but i figured that was a type-o.
The event isn't even canon - Ordo didn't head into the Telos base sublevel. DAWUSS 00:44, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Telekinesis variation?
According to Champions of the Force, Cilghal's healing of Mon Mothma is described as Cilghal pulling out the virus particles one by one from the cells of the ex-president. In my view this is a miniature-version of telekinesis, and should be mentioned as part of the healing techniques applied by the Jedi.--Domlith 10:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
An EU Truth?
While this power is extensively used throughout the EU, it does not actually appear anywhere in the canon films. As I've stated elsewhere, and I believe it bears repeating, if the Jedi can heal themselves and others as in the EU, then Anakin's turn to the Dark Side is completely umotivated. He could have simply taken Padme to Jedi Healers! Instead, Yoda tells Anakin that such powers are based in the Dark Side, specifically in the fear of loss and death. The Jedi does not fear death and therefore will not stand in its way. Sidious further reinforces Yoda's assertion with one of his own: that the Dark Side can indeed save lives and that the Jedi consider such powers to be "unnatural." This is a very important idea in ROTS. Anakin has always had trouble letting go, from the time we first meet him to the very end where the "weakness" motivates him to save Luke's life. He's a clingy kinda guy! Furthermore, if every Jedi in the known universe runs around healing themselves and others, as in the EU, then why did two of the greatest Jedi in the history of the order stand by and watch Padme die? Where is all that Force Healing? If they can heal themselves, then why didn't Qui Gon Jin? He was a great enough master to discover a way back from death, but not so good as to discover the healing arts? For that matter, where are all the Jedi Healers at Geonosis, Kashyyk (sp?), the Jedi Temple, etc? Why did Obi Wan not heal Zam Wessell, whom they needed to live? The only Force-based healing we ever see is the insinuation of Sith healing (not a lot of fun from the look of it) when Sidious heals Vader. I love the EU. I even think the healing power makes for a essential one in video games (it is when I play them, Heaven help those poor pixels), but I'm sorry: it is not a power appearing in the canon universe, and if it is, it does not belong to the Jedi. By all accounts in all 6 movies, the Jedi rely strictly on convential medical techniques. Starwarsgm
- Yoda said or at least what he meant was that "stopping someone from dying" is based in the Dark Side, the Jedi consider it "unnatural" to keep someone that "should die." There are some wounds that can't be healed using the light side of the Force and listening to the will of the Force, a Sith does what he wants... he "uses" the Force for his own benefit while the Jedi listen to the will of the Force and "use" it to defend and keep peace. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- I see what you're saying and I see the difference you make. However, there is still absolutely no evidence in the films to support healing as a Jedi power. Given that the only time such a power is even discussed it is implied to be an example of the Dark Side (by way of the fear of death), I still feel that Lucas' Jedi philosophy forbids them from using their powers to interrupt any process of death, including sickness and poisons. After all, if midi-chlorians are the bacteria present in all things, then they would logically also be the cause of all sickness. Jedi may not get sick because of their community with them. Conversely, killing a disease could then be seen as a direct attack on the "messengers" of the Force. I guess what I'm saying is that I see your point, but I still believe healing is Dark Side. Except when I'm playing video games...Starwarsgm
Light Side Force Healers
Some good points have been made as to whether or not canonical appearances of Force Healing should be considered out of context with the events of ROTS. After all, if healing were a Jedi art, then why would Anakin bother stressing visions of Padme's death? Personally, I believe the answer is that she could not have been saved; Anakin's visions were of her dying, after all. To heal her would be an affront the Unifying Force, and Yoda knew this. Also, consider bacta, or even simple bandages. Jedi use these tools all the time, and why not? If a Jedi gets stabbed, does he just roll over and die simply because bacta and/or a bandage would be "unnatural"? Of course not! To me, the bottom line is that all Light Side applications of Force Healing that I've seen have been limited, and only the Dark Side has been able to bring subjects back from the very brink of death. Light Side Force Healing seems to be a way to supplement actual medical attention, whereas the Dark Side allows access to several variations that allow full healing without so much as a band-aid, let a lone bacta. —Unsigned comment by BaneofyourFace (talk • contribs)
I think there is on this talk page a fundamental not understanding fully of how Force Healing canonically works in the Legends timeline at times—firstly, there isn’t really a basis for assuming that what people knew in the films is the limit of the Force—as we see in the other stuff a lot more of the Force and it’s true mystery and grandeur.
Secondly, while in the games you can heal up from one or two HP to full, HP is a game mechanic and so the games just prove those guys did/might have had healing in some form, not necessarily they can be back at full in 10 seconds after being stabbed 4 times with a lightsaber.
Thirdly, most healing just replenishes stamina or helps the body use its own natural healing more quickly—most characters, even powerful masters like Obi-Wan can’t close gaping wounds or regenerate burned away organs—hence why we don’t see Jedi spamming “Cure Wounds” in battle. To be fair, some dark side powers can do more effective DnD style healing than what most Jedi wield. Plus Padme was *not* dying of wounds that could be healed per ROTS. Even Abeloth needed time to regenerate from brutal wounds.
Fourthly, there are sources that explicitly talk about light side healing which clearly is more accurate than vague fan theories.
SaintSirNicholas (talk) 06:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Writing Flaw
In this very article it says that force users could not regenerate lost matter but look at darths vader and sion, vader could heal himself momentarally and sion was unkillable by conventionable means. That needs to be fixed.
Fire-lord (If no one talks thing out, how will we ever have world peace?) ; 23:26, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
- That's not regenerating lost matter. That's just healing oneself or holding together fragments of a body. Cade Calrayn
23:31, May 29, 2012 (UTC) - Thats not what i'm talking about, darth sion would heal directly as the blade passed through him, if what you say is true then you would have to do is keep slicing on him and there would be left in five minutes. Fire-lord (If no one talks thing out, how will we ever have world peace?) ; 23:38, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
A New Hope
What is the Source for Obi-Wan using Force-Heal on Luke? (22:43, August 18, 2020 (UTC))
I don't believe there is one. This was added in one of the first revisions of the article back in 2006 and seems to be just someone saying so. If watching the theatrical cut of the film, at ~28m you see the struggle between Luke and the Raider. There's then a cut to show them dragging Luke's body towards his speeder. There's no obvious sign he was injured beyond the fall onto his back. The novelization explicitly states that in that cut time Luke fainted, and wasn't unconscious due to injury: "Luke tried to view his situation objectively, as he had been instructed to do in survival school. Trouble was, his mouth was dry, his hands were shaking, and he was paralyzed with fear. With the Raider in front of him and a probably fatal fall behind, something else in his mind took over and opted for the least painful response. He fainted." (216.189.169.71 06:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC))
To be fair, it is known that Kenobi did have the power to heal others as of the end of the Clone Wars. But we can’t assume he used it here, I feel, since we don’t have much evidence that it was used and apparently there is a source (that I have yet to read) that says Luke was not wounded. SaintSirNicholas (talk) 06:38, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
In checking this further I was pointed to the WEG RPG as a source for Obi-Wan having force healed in that scene. I could not find any indication of these in the Core Rulebook, Sourcebook, and a few others I have access to. I did find though that on page 79 of Star_Wars:_The_Roleplaying_Game_(first_edition) there is a force ability called "Return to Consciousness" that may have been intended to reference this scene. The sourcebook for the film (Galaxy Guide 1: A New Hope pg 38) has the scene from Artoo's POV where he merely notes that Luke was unconscious, and that Obi-Wan was "scrutinizing Luke's condition". The children's adaptation (Star Wars: A Storybook page 12) clarifies in as similar way to the novelization: "Luke knew he had better flee or risk having his landspeeder stripped. But no sooner had he stood up to leave than a towering, robed Tusken Raider appeared through the windblown sand and pounced on him. \ It was the last thing Luke saw before passing out."(216.189.169.71 05:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC))
Plagueis & Sidious creating Anakin
In the section Alternate Applications, it says, "It was rumored he had employed such a power to create Anakin Skywalker, but this, itself, was never truly proven." This is incorrect, or rather, there is nothing to support this. In fact, the opposite is what appears in Legends novel Darth Plagueis. The Force struck back at Plagueis for trying to use midichlorians in this manner. I'm going to delete this portion from this section because there is nothing to back it up that overrides the novel. In Canon, just FYI, Matt Martin via Twitter confirmed that Sidious did not create Anakin, which is what some people thought was inferred in the last issue of the 2017 Darth Vader comic. Red Heathen (talk) 21:15, September 6, 2020 (UTC)