Talk: Fifth Brother

Right Inquistitor

This is the one you mean right? --Will.K (talk) 10:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)--

Inquisitor

Filoni was recently asked if this guy and the female were Inquisitors and he refused to confirm it. I'm not suggesting they're not (they obviously are), but we should wait for cast iron confirmation.--Ser Patrek (talk) 11:22, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

No it isn't

And you are a wiki contributor who hasn't signed in. --Will.K (talk) 00:48, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Falleen

Do you think the Fifth Brother is a member of the Falleen species? He sure seems like it to me.

• We won't know what he is until it's confirmed. However, the last episode's guide has confirmed that he is a new species. --Clonehunter^{(Report your W.M.D.)} 16:20, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Species

To me, he looks like an Arkanian Offshoot. A Fanfic I am reading, seems to think he is. --Admiral/Ambassador Paul 21:57, December 27, 2015 (UTC)—Unsigned comment by Admiral Paul (talk • contribs)

• Without an official source to back it up, that's speculation. Fanfiction isn't a source. Supreme Emperor (talk) 00:27, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

I never said it was a source, I was simply saying that it wasn't just me. Although, the Fanfic actually calls him an Arkanian Offshoot experimented on with Gen Dai DNA. Also, I'm pretty sure I added my signature some time after I posted it. --Admiral/Ambassador Paul 09:35, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

• • • You shouldn't be posting theories or guesses here, regardless of where they come from. This page, and all talk pages on the wiki, are meant to discuss how to improve the articles. What some fan-writers have decided to treat his species as is irrelevant to this page Overlordjeff (talk) 10:15, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Inquisitorius Infobox

Should we make an Infobox for the Inquisitor characters seeing how it has been revealed that there is a group of them? --Kyle03 (talk) 19:28, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

• Given that the Inquisitorius is part of the hierarchy of the Galactic Empire, I don't think so.--Rakhsh (talk) 19:43, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Main image

The lightsaber blade in the main image was taken from a different image (of the Grand Inquisitor) and superimposed over the top, that's why I've been removing it. It's not a simple case of the background color being changed. It's fan art. - Xanderen 20:54, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

• Found the original on the SW Rebels Wiki.

The blade is a bit thinner, I guess you're right. Brules^{Click here to chat} 20:59, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

• My Guess is someone tried to remove the orange background, realized it would be impossible to keep the lightsaber looking transparent, so they decided to just photoshop another one over the old one. Brules^{Click here to chat} 21:03, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
• Anyone have a resolution to this predicament? Brules^{Click here to chat} 06:03, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
  • I would suggest keeping the orange background for now. Also, the original image source can be found here. (It's the same image, but extended file name.) - Cwedin^(talk) 07:16, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
    • So ugly though... - Xanderen 08:29, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
      • I'll get to work on the image tomorrow, maybe I can do something about the orange. Brules^{Click here to chat} 08:57, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Agent Black Hole

So, when I first saw this guy, I immediately assumed he was going to be the new version of Agent Black Hole, because, while his face is different, he bears a very strong resemblance to him in terms of their silhouettes. I know this show has been sneaking in a lot of old-EU references, is there any info on his design inspiration? 66.25.230.106 07:17, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

• Yeah, he was based on an unused design from The Force Awakens. You can see that design in the article's Behind the scenes section. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 14:26, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

Cybernetic Hand

Isn't it a bit premature to say he has a cybernetic hand? Couldn't it have been reattached by the medical droid? Same goes for the Sixth Brother. The Shadow Emperor (talk) 04:08, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

• Agreed, removing it for now until we know more --Lewisr (talk) 04:10, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
  • Sounds good to me--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 04:11, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

Eye and skin colour

Hello there. After the release of OWK, there have been edits made by other editors, and later myself, including his appearance from Kenobi as a part of the infobox. This seems to have caused some controversy, so I thought I should bring it up on the talk page before making any further edits.

In Rebels, the character has a greenish gray skin, and mint eyes. In Kenobi however, his eye colour seems to be primarily blue, and the skin colour is hard to make out, but appears to be a much lighter gray and lighter green combination. As I said on a previous post I made on the Lando talk page, I do understand that getting into the specific details of recasts and animation to live action interpretations can be messy, but I think that visible colour is a genuine part of each appearance of the character, and should not be ignored.

My proposal is that the skin colour be listed simply as greenish gray (which is true for both appearances, and wouldn’t need to mention how the tint differs), and the eye colour be noted as being originally blue, and later mint (similarly to how the Jacen Syndulla page lists his animated and live action eye colours simultaneously by saying they were originally blue, but were later brown). I personally don’t think Fifth Brother’s eye colour changes are something that could be considered too absurd to be listed. For all we know, it could be a part of his species (maybe their eye colour turns mint with age, or it’s what sith eyes look like in his culture), maybe he’s wearing contact lenses or cybernetic enhancements, maybe he’s blind (similar to how Kansan’s eyes were shown as mint when he was blinded), etc. Either way, I’d be interested to hear what anyone else thinks. Thank you in advance!-Bespashin (talk) 29 November 2023, 00:26 (UTC)

• So The Grand Inquisitor's head got thinner after the Kenobi show, Dooku's head was sometimes ridiculously long during the Clone Wars and Mon Mothma somehow got younger after Ep 6? Cartoons don't have to be photo-realistic mate, and different actors obviously look... different. 🤦 —Unsigned comment by 51.68.169.232 (talk • contribs)
  • Hello, thank you for the response. Please try to remain calm and respectful when engaging in discussion, and I believe decision-making should be left to mods. However, this argument was acknowledged within my post, but there are no set guidelines which is why I believe it is best left for discussion. For a while now, the standard practice seems to be that shape and general proportions can be a result of animation, and are not necessarily to be taken seriously, however, colour was a definitive feature.
  • To present this, imagine two scenarios if something happening in a potential Ahsoka season 2, or further shows, where we see a recreation of a Rebels scene in Live Action, one where Ezra is a few inches taller, and one where his outfit is made to be green. The latter would likely be the one to cause more controversy because of the fact that proportions are part of animation style, but colour is usually considered to be factual, and consequently, and would consequently be picked up on by more people. As previously mentioned, the page for Jacen Syndulla has done the same, and I believe a message on the talk page is an appropriate decision, so that mods are able to make a decision on the matter. Regardless, thank you for the comment! - Bespashin (talk) 29 November 2023, 11:06 (UTC)
    • I agree with this suggestion, things like hair/eye color are generally consistent across mediums (even with the Grand Inquisitor), so I think treating the differences as both in-universe is probably the best way to go. And there are cases like Saw Gerrera whose eye color does change, and our article lists it as such. Rsand 30 (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Thank you for the response. Yeah, I believe it’s a relatively small change that lines up with previous standards. The one thing that makes it simple for Star Wars is that these can be very easily explained without any explanation being too absurd. Thank you! - Bespashin (talk) 29 November 2023, 17:42 (UTC)
    • Yes, but that's something explicitly confirmed by Lucasfilm ([1]). The Fifth Brother appears similar to Rebels in comics that take place before the Kenobi show too. So claiming that his skin got slightly changed while he was hunting Obi-Wan and later miraculously changed back again doesn't make any sense. This editor is simply trying to make fun of continuity with edits like this one ([2]) —Unsigned comment by 51.68.169.232 (talk • contribs)
      • Again, please try to be respectful when commenting. Not everybody is going to agree with you, but that doesn’t make your points any less valid. All opinions should be welcome. One thing I will agree to is the Cassian edit being poorly worded (especially with the word ‘somehow’), however I have since learned from these kinds of edits, which is why I believed it to be appropriate to create this post, and why I’ve mentioned earlier that the specific details of different portrayals should not be taken too literally. However, I believe the argument presented earlier in regards to colour between animation and live action is still valid. In my proposal I did make sure to be as fair as possible, and to not be too pedantic about such details, which is why the skin colour’s tone change does not need to be accounted for, as greenish-gray does apply to both portrayals, and height differences can be put down to animation discrepancies. The only real change would be mentioning the blue eyes in Kenobi, which could be explained away quite easily (species biology, blindness, cybernetics, etc). Once again, I do appreciate the response, and hope this clarifies things! - Bespashin (talk) 29 November 2023, 17:38 (UTC)
      • Let's not assume bad faith, even if you don't agree, it's a valid thing to bring up, as noted that similar has happened with others like Saw Gerrera or Jacen Lewisr (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Per Lewisr above, it's perfectly okay to disagree on something without any bad intentions. The pages for Saw and Jacen indeed note the change as their eye colors are clearly different later in the timeline, but I'm not sure the same treatment (suggesting the eye color changed later) would make sense here since the Fifth Brother's appearance is consistent between stories that take place both before and after Obi-Wan Kenobi per Darth Vader (2017) and Star Wars Rebels, respectively. Even Jedi: Battle Scars, who is closer to Kenobi in the timeline, describes the Fifth Brother with "gray-green" skin and "light mint" eyes, a description that doesn't sound like an obvious continuity error/change for the Fifth Brother depictions. The color "mint" means a shade of green-blue after all, not an undeniable change in color like Jacen or Gerrera. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
        • I think you’re responding to two different people here (the bad faith was from an unverified user, the original proposal was by me), but all good, I see the point in presented! It honestly can be quite hard to make out, but it does seem the eyes are outside the ‘spectrum (I guess you could call it?)’ of being a minty blue, and are more of a lightish blue. Whilst comics have depicted Fifth Brother with his Rebels appearance, they were mostly made prior to Kenobi (apart from Battle Scars, which likely used Fifth Brother art on the cover because it was easier, and more iconic). I believe that regardless which explanation you’d choose to explain that, it wouldn’t change his visible appearance from the series. As I say, it’s hard to make out, and I think the best view of it in the show is when he stares at Reva once Kenobi escapes the Fortress (which I can’t find online), so I’ll link a shot of his character poster below. But to me, it seems a bit too dark to be considered minty. Thank you for the response as well!

https://wallpapers.com/images/hd/obi-wan-kenobi-fifth-brother-r52il8wp1kv12cyn.jpg

- Bespashin (talk) 29 November 2023, 20:01 (UTC)

• To be clear I wasn't responding to you Bespashin, hence the bullet being on the same number Lewisr (talk) 20:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Sorry for all the confusion, I was responding to AnilSerifoglu. The format can be quite confusing sometimes lol - Bespashin (talk) 29 November 2023, 20:01 (UTC)
  • Oh, like Lewis, that wasn't directed to you at all, sorry about the confusion. About the actual discussion, it's clear that the skin/eye color shades in live-action and animation do not 100% match, but stating that the Fifth Brother's eye color was X, then turned into Y, and turned back into X as a fact is a bit of a stretch when we can't even make out what to call Y exactly. On the other hand, we have a source that was released after all previous depictions and defines the color in prose, therefore not up to our visual interpretation. In short, I don't really see why we should assume that the character's eye color changed twice when there is a definitive color description that doesn't seem to contradict any particular visual appearance. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 01:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)