Talk: Ferus Olin

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Issues of Orientation

There are strong indications throughout the "Last of the Jedi" series that Ferus and Roan have the first non-heterosexual relationship portrayed in the Star Wars universe. I know I'm not the first one to bring it up. Should this issue be touched upon in any way in the article? Chrisstansfield 12:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's made pretty clear in the most recent book, Secret Weapon that Ferus and Roan are more than 'just friends' or business partners. I'm glad to see LFL allowed Watson to go so far with the portrayal. And yeah, that would make them the first gay couple in Star Wars. I imagine, though, that it can't be explicitly stated because it's listed as a "young readers" book. At any rate, it should be listed under speculation. thesithempire 17 March 2007

• I must disagree. I have read the whole series and do not see that in anyway. Best friends, definantly, but no, no relationship. Anyway, Roan's dead now anyway (sorry if that's a spoiler to any of you, but I was the one to type it in to Roan's entry. It's here if you want to read it.) —Unsigned comment by Shadowphobia (talk • contribs)

• I disagree as well. There is never anything in the Last of the Jedi series to indicate that Ferus and Roan's relationship is anything other than that of best friends. I think that the speculation otherwise is simply a rumor, and nothing more. —Unsigned comment by Hobbes15 (talk • contribs)

• I totally disagree, and agree with the 2 above me. Yes, Roan and Ferus were more than friends - they were brothers. [Redacted by administration] Carth=love 22:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Ms. Watson implied they had more than a platonic relationships in the book. I could cite several passages that hinted at it and was surprised when I came across them. I suppose its a matter of opinion, but I really think she "said it without saying it." —Unsigned comment by Rogo88 (talk • contribs)

Definitely agree with Rogo88 and thesithempire on this one. I absolutely saw a more-than-friends relationship when I read the series. —Unsigned comment by Dr FooFoo (talk • contribs)

• I think we might need a CheckUser here... Several anons with only one contribution to this talk page? Cull Tremayne 07:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I get a definite vibe of 'more-than-friends' between the two. Especially in Ferus' moment in 'Death On Naboo' where he focuses on 'the best day of his life' and thinks about being with Roan in a secluded body of water. Yes, it cuts off with 'they came up shivering and laughing...' but the elipsis implies more. Of course, this might just be my HoYay-addled brain... DGCatAniSiri 06:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Personally, I definately got a more-than-just-friends relationship vibe, but it's just speculation, and therefore fanon IMHO and shouldn't be mentioned in the article. It's a suspicion that isn't likely to be confirmed because I doubt Watson would address the sexual ascpect of a relationship in a children's book, so we're all free to think what we will. Yay us. 68.59.161.22 17:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  • What, like that's ever stopped the fandom before? Actually, it's not as if CANON has stopped the fandom before. DGCatAniSiri 02:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• Nothing can stop the fandom. 74.173.214.216 06:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

• First of all, these aren't "children's" books, they're young adult books. And the vibe you guys are sending off here is that there would something wrong if Ferus and Roan were in a committed, romantic relationship, which would be the only reason you haven't at least listed it in the behind-the-scenes section, where the possibility of this scenario belongs. This isn't fanon! There are numerous texts which strongly indicate that Ferus and Roan were in an exclusive, committed and loving relationship. The only reason it can't be stated as fact is because it's not explicitly said in the text, nor has Watson herself come out and said it. But any open-minded reading of the text will see that it's implicit, and that alone warrants a mention of it in the "Behind the Scenes" section.

It should also be noted that the use of the word "partner" was brought up in romantic, heterosexual context in the last book of the series. This suggests that the use of the word "partner" to describe Ferus and Roan's relationship may be meant in a non-platonic circumstance.

[Redacted by administration] second when it comes to the word "partner" it is also used to discribe the relationship of Han Solo and Chewbacca, that has never been brought up with them so way with Ferus. ~Newsgirl292003~ Oct 28,2008

[Redacted by administration]--99.13.118.232 21:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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• Where does it state that he is not gay? --Tellanroaeg 18:22, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

• Where does it state that he is gay? It dose not at all say that! I stand that he is not,and until the author or some other source state what side of field he falls on, this conversation belongs in the fandom not in this article. Newsgirl292003 - June 3, 2010

Fenus left the Jedi order from the extremely grief and strong feelings for Thel-Tanis's death. LEFT the order! Something he strongly believed in with so much of his being and Does anyone not see that he may also have had obvious have had personal attachments to Thel? Thus leaving? Jedi deal with death, and he had before as well, but he clearly had a personal attachment to Thel-Tani. He could have worked through it, but he made a HUGE HUGE life change because his person. I mean he left everyone he knew while growing up and left his his whole future. Where does he get the faith that he can earn money, live a life out side of the order? yeah he does, but how does his know. I don't think you guys are really thinking about the impact of things and are more just looking at platonic and classic bromance in a way to get the giggles off. Maybe Fenus is just married to his duty, and just has a serious appreciation for someone they have as a close friend. I mean there are many friends I have where we say or do things that could be "sexual tension" but it's just harmless cuddles, hugs and pure silliness. Fenus also went after Fy-Tor-Ana. Why spend all that time and energy? He could have just as easily went after another of JEdi he knew but again he went after another FEMALE jedi he KNEW. She also clearly knew him. He totally could not gotten to know his Jedi ether and just kept to him self. No I definitely get the idea that he is going out of his way for female jedi he had an interest in. [Redacted by administration] Unless they out right state something happened between the characters in the story people can only use suggestion on Fenus or. Due to this now people this think it's FACT that Fenus is openly gay, [Redacted by administration] I think in this case its a matter of "shipping" characters and fanfiction. I don't mind people coming up with stories or ideas, but when they starts to because fact and people completely support or don't care about whether or not its true, I am concerned about people integrity here to be reasonable or carry a honest discussion. [Redacted by administration] I am frustrated and disappointed to many of the people on here, [Redacted by administration] —Unsigned comment by 71.197.227.59 (talk • contribs)

• This point is now completely moot, since Jude Watson herself confirmed that Ferus was meant to be read as gay (see the Behind the Scenes section of the article). --LelalMekha (talk) 10:22, November 8, 2016 (UTC)

Anybody denying Ferus' sexuality and the fact that he was happily in love with his husband Roan Lands is automatically wrong now especially since the author, Jude Watson, just reconfirmed on Twitter that Ferus is gay as of 3/10/2022.—Unsigned comment by Chocogato227 (talk • contribs)

Shortening

• I was looking at the recent addition I made to the article (Return to Coruscant) and realized that it is really long compared to the rest of the article. I'm having a hard time finding a good way of reducing it. Could anyone else try to summarize it and make it somewhat shorter? DarthMaul431 21:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
• It's probably wrong because I wrote it and I'm horrible at writing short summaries. But keep in mind - that section covers Books 3 and 4. Novajoe23 14:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I hate this guy

Over the next few years the two apprentices encountered each other again numerous times, such as at the Galactic Games on Euceron. Back at the Jedi Temple, Ferus and Anakin were assigned to a special lightsaber session with Master Soara Antana in the back alleys of Coruscant. Ferus easily outmatched Anakin, who let his anger get the best of him. This only fueled the tensions between the two Jedi.

Gah, Ferus makes me angry. Five years of training and Anakin "Midichlorian" Skywalker isn't beating down any other padawans he comes across? Ridiculous. "Anger getting the best of him"... pfft... the anger should have made him stronger.

Vader best kill this guy for stealing Anakin's thunder. (Ulicus 23:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC))

• I predict he'll refuse to become one of Palpatine's cronies and will be killed. It would be cool, as well as ironic, if he faced off with Vader. --Darth Oblivion 23:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• lol yeah... -- [Galak Fyarr]

• Why would anger make Anakin stronger? As a Jedi wouldn't it weaken him? If he were a Sith, he would be able to focus it, but Anakin isn't a Sith yet. ~aitrym
  • but his anger still made him stronger, the Jedi were taught to release anger because it gave added strength, from the dark side, which some jedi may find irresistable. Jedi Dude 15:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Right, but it says, "Anakin let Anger get the better of him." And wouldn't you have to be a Vapaad user to focus like Master Windu? ~aitrym August 7 2006
    • Whilst I don't hate Ferus as much as I used to (recent portrayals haven't been too bad), it's ridiculous to suggest that anger makes a Jedi weaker. Anger gives one "quick and easy" access to the Force, that's the whole point! Anger makes a Force user stronger and *gives* them focus. That is part of the reason why the dark side is so tempting; it's much easier to give in to your darker emotions than it is to "quiet your mind" in the midst of a battle. (Ulicus 17:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC))

Right, but Ferus *WAS* able to quiet his mind, and he chose what was stronger. That's why he won. ~aitrym

You said that anger would make a Jedi weak; it doesn't, and in my latest post, that's all that I was arguing against. Anger empowers a even the most novice of Force users and that has always been the case. You brought up Vaapad, which is about being able to channel your darker impulses whilst remaining relatively untouched by the dark side - but that's is an entirely different concept and nothing to do with what Anakin was doing here... Ultimately, as you said, Ferus' focus and ability to quiet his mind outmatched even the added strength Anakin got from his rage. It just annoys me that this was the case. (Ulicus 01:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC))

• I agree in that, for the most part, Anakin should have been stronger when giving into his anger. All reasons as Ulicus said. I think that you can become overconfident and make mistakes while using your anger because your so much stronger. User:Shadowphobia/sig

The reason Anakin got beat by Ferus is because he used his anger to take the easy way out. Ferus was able to calm his mind, and unlike Obi-Wan on Mustafar, he wasn't fighting for his life.--75.218.67.192 21:58, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes

This is a FA and has't got any quotes? NONE! Jedi Dude 15:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Quotes do not neccessarily a good article make. This article is pretty darn good even without them. (Ulicus 01:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC))

• No they don't make a good article, but an FA should have at least an introduction quote, look at all the others for example. And such a large set of books should have numerous suitable quotes, i havn't got them so i wouldn't know. Jedi Dude 17:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Don't worry. I added one. 1 Space Pirate 12:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

In trouble

The complete second half of this article needs a complete re-write. .... 07:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• The second half of the article just rehashes the novels but this is a biographic article. Mentioning other characters on their own shouldn't really come into it. --Katana Geldar 04:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Secret Weapon

We have no infomation at all for Secret Weapon (Book VII). It IS out, contrary to the said release date. User:Shadowphobia/sig

As a matter of fact, much of this article needs work. Seeing I own all of LotJ and most of Jedi Trial (the second is called that, right? I blanked out), I should be able to work on it. User:Shadowphobia/sig

I own Secret Weapon, and I think I can do some work on it. I can also rewrite the part that isn't satisfactorily written. I have access to all the Last of the Jedi books, and I think I can fix it. When did Secret Weapon come out? Would the info on that require a spoiler tag, or has it been out long enough to remove that classification? Anyone who knows can get back to me at my talk page (Tiger Headquarters). Thanks! Hobbes15^{(Tiger Headquarters) (Leader of the Tigers)} 20:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ferus as Vader's apprentice

There are some pretty strong connections between Ferus and Vader's Apprentice. I mean, they were both Jedi Padawans - not Knights - they both look the same, Ferus joins the Dark Side in Secret Weapon, three books later The Force Unleashed starts. I mean, it doesn't take much for Vader to fake Ferus' death, tell Ferus who he really is, and start him as his secret Apprentice. aeods

Interesting idea, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions until we figure out the ending of Ferus's story from the final Last of the Jedi books. Hobbes15^{(Tiger Headquarters)} 01:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Red Lightsaber?

• Where does it say that Ferus constructs a red lightsaber? I couldn't find it in any of the Jedi Quest books, and I don't know when this happens. Give me a source, someone! Hobbes15^{(Tiger Headquarters)} 23:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
• Hello? Hobbes15^{(Tiger Headquarters)} 04:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
• Scratch this, I found it in The Way of the Apprentice. At any rate, I don't think it warrants inclusion, and I couldn't find a source that said people were surprised, so I'm going to remove it. Maybe it can go in the Behind the Scenes. Hobbes15^{(Tiger Headquarters)} 04:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I can't think of any names at the moment but, several light sided jedi have had red lightsabers. It really isn't an issue. NaruHina ^Talk 07:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

43 BBY?

• If anyone can find a source for this- great, if not, I'm just going to delete it. Hobbes15^{(Tiger Headquarters)} 03:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Someone sourced it. —Unsigned comment by Dark Lord Xander (talk • contribs)

First BTS item

• Same as birth year—without a source, I'm going to have to delete it. Hobbes15^{(Tiger Headquarters)} 21:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Death?

• Can it really be presumed that Ferus was killed on Alderaan? When Leia started travelling and got captured, would Ferus have stayed on the planet? Obi-Wan a different case- Luke never left Tatooine until he left with Kenobi NighthawkLeader 07:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Ferus is still alive in Rebel Force: Hostage, which takes place AFTER "A New Hope", so obviously he didn't die on Alderaan. Natty4bumpo 20:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Plus, he is still alive in the fifth Rebel Force book so he is not dead yet. I think he is a prat but not evil and he really does want to help. But a prat nontheless. obiwancrazy 2009

killed

wasnt he killed on the alderaan explosion¿ (by the deathstar)

• No. See the entry immediately above. Also, if his assignment at the end of The Last of the Jedi series were to watch over Leia and she is offworld, why would he stay? I haven't had a chance to read the whole book yet, but in Rebel Force: Hostage, which takes place AFTER "A New Hope", Feris is there.Natty4bumpo 19:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

• I just added a short synopsis that brings to date the latest information on Ferus. Natty4bumpo 22:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Obi-wan and Palpatine as Masters

I was thinking, shouldn't Obi-wan and maybe Palpatine be listed as masters for Ferus? They do master-y activities together... Yeah it even says in the article that Obi-wan helped him back on the jedi path and Palpatine did teach him a bunch of dark side-y stuff. Even though Ferus was undercover but Palpatine knew it so im not sure what you'd call that. I think obi-wan is definitely his informal master though. Riley7 01:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

• I totally agree with you. Obi-wan is like a distant father to him, and Palpatine gave him a lesson in the dark side. TimothyBeeBarclay

ferus the force unleashed

I Know I Dont edit alot but they might of meant the sequell to the game ultimate sith editon ScarletScarabX 13:18, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't get to read the newer books.

Does Trever Blume, at any point, become/train as a Jedi?

No, in the last book of Rebel Force it is said by Lune Divinian that Trever Flume was killed in a battle when a factory imploded while he was still inside:)(; 16:17, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't Ferus Die in the fifth Rebel Force Book?

I haven't been able to read it and i was just wondering. TimothyBeeBarclay

• Yes, Ferus dies in the last Rebel Force book. What exactly happened to his body is still questionable.:)(; 16:37, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Did Ferus have a Master before Siri Tachi?

As per the timeline gleaned from Jude Watsons' various series alone, Ferus was born in 44 BBY. Siri Tachi was Knighted in 28 BBY. Even if Siri took him as Padawan immediately after being Knighted, that makes him 16 years old at that time, way older than the 13 year time-limited, also provided by Jude Watsons' books. So, does this mean Siri was Ferus' 2nd Master? Is there anything explaining this seeming discrepancy?--Focket (talk) 17:47, October 5, 2014 (UTC)Focket

• I don't believe it's been explained, though there may be something in one of the books that everybody missed. Cade Calrayn 17:57, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Soara Antana and Yoda as masters?

So, in Death of Naboo. Ferus starts listing the people he's trained under, which includes Obi_wan, Siri, Soara and Yoda. Normally i'd think people would pass this off and Yoda being his teacher as an Initiate. But in Rebel Forces(i don't remember which book.) He once again lists Yoda and Obi-Wan as Masters. so in my opinion, these two would count as Ferus' masters.99.113.116.247(FX)