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Braxant

Hi, Jack. I'm meaning to do an article on the Braxant Brave/Bonecrusher,personally I'm not sure if it's necessary to link both names, as they're the same ships and they'd eventually link to the same article.

In cases like this, you pick one name and use it for the article. Then you make the other name redirect to the same page. JimRaynor55 22:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Outbound Flight

I have removed this text: "Six Dreadnoughts were used in Outbound Flight, an ill-fated project aimed at extragalactic exploration." I don't recall if this is accurate. Can someone provide a source? --SparqMan 06:31, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

  • It is, the cover of the new Outbound Flight book pictures them, bound around a single large fuel tank. See Outbound Flight (novel)--Eion 02:06, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Great. Added back. --SparqMan 02:20, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Naming

Once again, ship naming rears its ugly head. Starwars.com, along with other canon sources (and an abundance of EU ones too) refer to these ships as Dreadnought Heavy Cruisers. It appears that they are not given a class name because they were the only ships of their type. I cannot find a G-Canon source that confirms this name. Am I missing one? If not, we should move it to Dreadnought Heavy Cruiser and fix the article text. --SparqMan 06:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I Don't have a G-canon source (I don't believe there is one - I think Dreadnaughts are entirely EU creations), but page 215 of the Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook does call it a "Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser." Also note that the ships are consistently misspelled froma real-world perspective, with an "a" instead of an "o"; all sources I've encountered (including the TTSB, the Imperial Sourcebook, and Dark Force Rising) use this spelling.
The Official Site calls them Dreadnaughts. There are Dreadnoughts in the EU (Cydon Prax drives a 'Dreadnought' assault vehicle in The Clone Wars) but these cruisers are officially 'Dreadnaughts'. Kwenn 19:20, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I thought that they may have been mentioned in one of the DK books off handedly. The WEG books are fairly inconsistent. Can anyone check the Thrawn Trilogy books? I don't have my copies here. --SparqMan 19:34, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

  • The WEG books may be inconsistent about other things, but they were consistent about spelling "Dreadnaught." And since Zahn used WEG for his resource when writing DFR, he used the "a" spelling as well; the top of page 228 of the paperback of DFR, for example.

More importantly, in DFR, are the ships refered to as Dreadnaught Heavy Cruisers, Dreadnaughts, or Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruisers? --SparqMan 01:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

  • The EGTVV (Both Versions) are of no help, as they capitalized every class name. I'd personally rule this an abberation, and call it a goof, along the same lines as the great costume goof of ROTJ. Correct it, as we know better.--Eion 02:26, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Okay. I'll change the references to Dreadnought Heavy Cruisers, and move the article. --SparqMan 02:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, we have at least two canon instances of calling the ship a Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser - The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook and the Imperial Sourcebook. Given that this is consistent with how other Imperial ships are named in technical vs. common parlance (Imperial-class Star Destroyers get called Imperial Star Destroyers, Strike-class Cruisers get called Strike Cruisers, etc.), I'm strongly inclined to say that the Dreadnaughts should be treated in the same way as these ships. JSarek 08:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
    • These are valid sources, but we'll ignore the capitalization as a goof. I say move it.--Eion 08:22, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Ah, I misunderstood the argument; I thought it was between "Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser" and "Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser," not about how it was capitalized. Looking at the two sources I cited, in both cases where they use the more formal "Dreadnaught-class," the "heavy cruiser" part is in lowercase (my mistake in transcription above, my apologies). JSarek 08:49, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Not restarting the discussion, but I think it's notable (maybe in behind the scenes) that - as someone already mentioned - Cydon Prax has a tank-thing called "DreadnOught", and then there is the ship class "Star DreadnOught", yet these are spelled "DreadnAught" (I'm currently reading the Thrawn Trilogy, and noticed that while reading it). 129.107.81.12 03:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Mandalorian

Where does that come from? --SparqMan 20:09, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • I've never heard of this either. It sounds like Mandalorian fanwank. I think it should be removed unless someone can confirm this. JimRaynor55 22:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    • It's from The Dreadnaughts of Rendili - specificaly, Part 2 in Republic #70, I think... --McEwok 22:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC) 22:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
      • That's right. Second to last page of Republic 71. "These are built from Mandalorian design. Not the most modern, but very strong." - Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. --AdmThrawn 22:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Atmosphere capable

I noticed that the new picture on this article shows a Dreadnaught on Coruscant's surface. Does this mean the Dreadnaughts were also capable of flight in the atmposhpere of a planet? -- SFH 22:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I guess it does. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I thought anything Victory Star Destroyer sized and smaller could go into atmospheres. -LtNOWIS 23:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The troop to shuttle ratio makes no sense. A big shuttle carries 50 soldiers. With 3000 troops that seems ridiculous. Either it has to land to deploy troops, or it needs more shuttles.--CaptainDan 01:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Don't restart old topics. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 14:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Now I'm restarting the topic, but just clarifying that Cpt Dan was not restarting an old topic, but brining up a new one. And before you tell me that I'm restarting this topic, I'll answer his question: usually the capital ships had landers, which carried a lot more than 50 troops. ----Ryluk Shouja(The Mukhabarat|Join SWGames!08:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)The Mukhabarat00:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

First Action?

When did the Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser have it's first victories over an enemy force?

Sublight speed upgraded?

For modernization, did the Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser get more powerful sublight engines for a faster speed?

Upgraded version?

What source is there for this upgraded version? Also, should we even include all these modifications that aren't even widespread, since you can modify a ship almost any way you want? JimRaynor55 04:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible Glitch-Admins Requested

When I load this article, there is a blank, and I don't know how to fix it. Quidon88 23:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

its done that with me too.

Source for these claims

I notice on the appearance list: Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu (First mentioned), Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon (Mentioned only), Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of ThonBoka. I know Imperial dreadnaughts were mentioned in at least one of these books, but these vessels were never stated to be the same as the Dreadnaught-class (which was invented by WEG years later, and much smaller). VT-16 12:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Dreadnaught in ROTJ?

I realize I'm likely convincing myself of this, but it seems to me that either of those two ships below the Corvette and the Mon Cal Cruiser could qualify as a Dreadnaught. Any ideas or should I take my speculation elsewhere(eg. these have already been identified as other EU ships)? I had to tinyurl it to stop it from popping up in this talk page. --70.225.179.141 04:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

  • They're Braha'tok-class gunships. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 13:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Really? I understand the one directly to the side of the Mon Cal Cruiser that looks like one it's engines is one of those, but the other two don't look like it to me, the one below the corvette and the other below the Mon Cal. Oh well the more you know I guess. --70.225.179.141 13:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I'm pretty sure the ones on the side and below the Mon Calamari Star Cruiser are the Braha'toks. However, I don't think the other one is question is a Dreadnaught. It may be one of the ships that (officially) only appear in the RotJ novel. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Naming...again

My my...so many tabs. --School of Thrawn 101 06:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Size

From all the other sources listed on the main article, the Dreadnaught's size is 600 meters, thus contradicting the 572 meter length that one source listed that Jack Nebulax keeps insisting.—Unsigned comment by 66.189.67.134 (talk • contribs)

  • I said for you to provide the list of sources. You claim every other source say 600 meters, yet you have not provided a single quote from any other source. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The Fact File entry says 572m, for what it's worth. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Hm. Probably best leave it at 600m, with a note in the BtS. (I am convinced they make errors like this on purpose to mess with tech-minded fans' heads.) —Silly Dan (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth, a makeshift Rendili Dreadnaught used by Utapau was approximately 634 meters long, so there's room for different types and modifications to ships of the class. VT-16 12:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

"concept"

The page says that the "concept" of the ship originated in the Imperial sourcebook, which was published in 1993, ten years after the ship was first mentioned in Mindharp of the Sharu. How is this possible?

  • The ship was never mentioned in any of the Lando trilogy. The Imperial dreadnaughts there are said to be much larger than the 600 m Dreadnaught-class, but when WEG began writing books, they retconned these ships into the stories, similar to the early mention of Victory Star Destroyers in the Han Solo trilogy. VT-16 08:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Differing depiction

Now, it's been years since I played it, but I seem to recall that the original incarnation of TIE Fighter had a different depiction of the Dreadnaught, with a wider, flatter "head", so to speak. Does anyone who has one of the earlier incarnations of the game remember, or know about this? If it's true, it would make for a good BTS note. Thefourdotelipsis 11:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm this as true for ALL versions of TIE Fighter. Is it meant to be a different ship? Lenzar 17:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

That version is also in X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter. It looks like a beefed-up Corellian Corvette. -dvader518

possible mark II?

This is just my opinion, but shouldn't there be a possibility of a Mark 2 dreadnaught? Because I doubt that the republic and the empire would use a ship that is so old and has so many flaws. I would think that Rendili star drive would make a dreadnaught with a smaller crew requirement, better computers, and stonger weapons and sheilds.Sgt. Fenix 21:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Tartans?

I fail to see the resemblace tartas seem more like mini Caracks than DreadnaughtsSargeLIVES 00:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Mara Jade Quote

I think we should include MJ's quote from dark force rising, I can't remember it exactly but it says something about it looking like a clam with a overbite does any one know it? Lieutenant J.J 08:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Lieutenant J.J

Star Wars: Rebellion and its two Dreadnaught variants.

Star Wars: Rebellion (the video game) makes a distinction between the Alliance version and the Imperial version. The article makes no mention of this distinction. They look different, and their stats are, as far as I recall, slightly different, too. Are there any more canon sources that make such a distinction, and is there something that helps explain why these two variants exist? Is it something worth including? - TopAce (Talk) 16:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Dreadnought Crews and Thrawn

Is it ever explicitly stated by either Pellaeon or Thrawn that they were using clones to crew them?

Also, you'd think the Empire would install at least limited slave circuits in its Dreadnoughts to simplify the logistical problems and cut crews down to a more reasonable size. —Unsigned comment by 24.27.193.29 (talk • contribs)

Ion Cannons?

The infobox has no information about ion cannons. As read in the Thrawn trilogy, Dreadnaughts had ion cannons. In Dark Force Rising especially, Bel Iblis' dreadnuaghts use ion cannons in engagements with imperial star destroyers, to be precise, battle over New Cov, and Katana Skirmish. It isn't stated how many cannons there were, but their must have been at least one for certain, and more because of common sense. Also, why didn't they use their turbolasers in these engagements along with the ions. 220.233.40.220 11:03, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hyperdrive

The info box says a class 2 hyperdrive and the body text says class 4, which is it --Jaguartalon 06:00, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Canon Dreadnaught?

is this a dreadnaught above Lothal in the premier of Rebels? [1] —Unsigned comment by 204.209.209.131 (talk • contribs)

TIE Fighter Version

Does anyone have an image of TIE Fighter's take of the dreadnought, do any official images of it exist? The design in that game much more closely resembles a heavily modified and significantly larger Corellian Corvette in overall design than the dreadnought that is considered official by most other sources, but it would be great to have as this version is rarely acknowledged and often overlooked. Does any such file of this design exist?Fire Eater (talk) 01:01, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

In the service of the CIS?

Was the Dreadnought used widely by the CIS or just occasionally? --Exodianecross (talk) 03:02, January 22, 2019 (UTC)