Talk: Denal/Legends

Article milestones Date Process Result February 2, 2009 Featured article nomination Success April 25, 2009 Featured article by QuiGonJinn
Current status: Featured article

Jet trooper

Jet trooper? Is Denal a clone jet trooper? What about rex? —Unsigned comment by 85.154.161.214 (talk • contribs)

• Denal, along with his squad for this mission, are no more jet troopers then Rex. Simply because you use a jetpack when the situation would require it does not mean that said clone is specifically a jet trooper. I also removed the portion about the possibility of Denal being at Teth because the novelization of the movie expressly states that only six troopers from Torrent Company survived the battle and they are already accounted for by name. (Rex, Coric, Zeer, Del, Attie, and Nax) --Shadowxander 05:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  • He has to be a clone jet trooper if he uses a jetpack. Rex uses a jetpack, but he can because he's an arc captain(?) and even if he isn't who is?—Unsigned comment by ARC commander3 (talk • contribs)
    • Not so, pal. Signing your comment would be appreciated too so I can use something other then "pal". Anyway, a jet trooper is a clone specifically trained in aerial tactics and the use of a jetpack to fight or perform other missions. Jetpacks are also available to other troopers for assignments requiring them, but simply using a jetpack does not immediately mean said trooper is expressly a "clone jet trooper". --Shadowxander 03:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
      • If the "Twilight Disaster" episode is real then its pretty safe to say he's a Jet Trooper since he would have only appeared with a Jet Pack--Butters4115 03:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
        • Not necessarily. Rex appears with a jetpack in the movie and Duel of the Droids but isn't a Jet Trooper. I can't see only two appearances as solid proof. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an anti-Jet Trooper person, I just don't think we should jump to any such conclusions without some kind of real proof. Compare it to real-world military terms. A soldier who has to jump out of a plane during one or two missions is not a paratrooper. Paratroopers are specifically trained as part of a unit who specialize in insertion by air. The same, I believe (as I can never be sure what'll be changed when it suits the writers), holds true for jet troopers. --Shadowxander 01:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
          • Im just saying if we only see him when he's uses a Jetpack then it makes it look like he's a Jet Trooper--Butters4115 03:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
            • You might very well be right. I'm definitely not saying my opinion's the only right one and you've got a good point. If he only ever uses a jetpack on screen and there's no word from a higher source, I'm all for him being put down as a jet trooper. Just like I said above though, I don't want to jump to a pre-emtive conclusion. I say we wait and see where they take the character. --Shadowxander 01:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
              • Well, if he wears a jetpack in every appearance, then he has to be a jet trooper. --ARC commander3 14:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Canon?

The majority of this article now comes from the Clone Wars cell phone game. While well-written and interesting, I was under the impression that cell phone games like this are considered non-canon. Should this stay? --Shadowxander 05:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• AFAIK, a source (game, book, comic, etc.) is considered non-canon if it contradict other sources. And while this game has some odd plot points, they can be explained, at least for me. But I think we should ask Leland Chee about the canonical status of such games, in order to clear that. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 09:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Nothing here or here about mobile phone games or contradictory sources being non-canon. -- I need a name (Complain here) 20:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Actually, there is: Lastly there is non-continuity "N" which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction. Not a word about cell phone games though. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 20:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
      • Sounds good to me, I'll take your word for it QuiGonJinn. Like I said, the article sounds good except really for the parts about Denal's rank. In Duel of the Droids, Denal's a sergeant and it seems to me that his rapid promotions in the game are merely for gameplay reasons and shouldn't be taken seriously. I suggest we remove the small bits about his rank unless a higher source can give a more definitive answer, but spare the rest of the article which seems very plausible. --Shadowxander 06:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
        • I agree with you about his rank in the game. But is he really called a sergeant in Duel of the Droids? I don't remember it. And in episode guide on Starwars.com he is called just "Trooper Denal". Of course he is higher than a mere trooper, but he could as well be a lieutenant. I am going to remove information regarding his rank, unless it's stated exactly. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 14:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
          • Good call. As far as the sergeant part goes, I'm pretty sure he's the sergeant of the squad that goes in and Rex is just there because he's Anakin's right-hand-man. I can't say for certain if it's in the episode or some kind of supplemental material, but I'm pretty sure he is a sergeant. --Shadowxander 03:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
            • Wanted to add that while my computer is sub-par to say the least and keeps me from getting around StarWars.com without more hassle then I'm willing to deal with, I did a Google and Yahoo search for "Denal" and every relevant result referenced him being a sergeant. Just wanted to give the heads up. --Shadowxander 01:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
              • There is a list of valid references approved by this site. As long as those "googled" references are among those considered valid, they can be listed as sources. Gethralkin 07:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
                • I searched too, and all I could find were several fan-paintings and copies of Duel of the Droids summary. According to Wookieepedia canon policy, only SW.com and sites affilated with LucasArts can be considered canon. Other sites shouldn't be considered such, unless they provide a valid reference. And SW.com calls him just "trooper". Since "trooper" doesn't necessary mean rank, I say we leave this issue ambiguous, leave a note in Bts, and wait until an official word. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 11:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
                  • Disregard my statement about canon policy. I haven't noticed it was "proposed". Still, I don't think those references should be taken as canon. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 18:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Cad Bane kills denal...maybe.

Look at this video [[1]] at :14 seconds in pause it. it appears to be denal in a starfighter. however anakin nocks his helment off and its Cad Bane! Does anyone else see this?--Fisto-Arsix 18:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

• Very Observant. I believe you, but we need a source to confirm it. WILDEYE N-25 04:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I believe that the preview is official enough. And since Denal is the only known clone to wear such kind of helmet, it must be him. I'm going to add some info soon. QuiGonJinn^{There's always a bigger fish.} 12:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
    • I don't think it is. Improbable it may be, it could simply just be another clone trooper, and unless it's stated (in words), it's just speculation. —CC7567 ^(s)talk 17:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
      • I agree with CC7567 because the clone armor cad bane wears has a watch officer's macrobinoculars on the helmet like Echo and Thire. Denal doesn't have these macrobinoculars on his helmet.Legojango 21:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
        • I say we list him as KIA, and besides when "he" told Anakin that he didn't retrieve the Holocron "he" sounded more like Bane.Drsdino 23:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
          • Please just leave this as it is. You're being extremely impatient if you can't wait one more day for the episode to air. CC7567 ^(talk) 23:29, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

denal does die in cargo of doom it said so in star wars episode guide on star wars.com (i am new) - —Unsigned comment by Jediskyguy (talk • contribs)

• And you'll see that the article has already been updated accordingly. CC7567 ^(talk) 19:35, October,23, 2009 (UTC)

if denal is in republic heros he might have servived depending what time republic heroes takes place in --joe shorb 17:11, October 28, 2009 (UTC) jediskyguy

• Republic Heroes comes between Seasons 1 and 2 of the show, so while he was alive at the time, Denal only appears in the DS version of the game which is pretty much non-canon.--Bella'Mia 21:03, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Hot-Wire.

Hey, In Duel of Droids do you think he Hot-Wired him and Rex into the reactor room? Because I think they made him say he could Hot-Wire so they could get in the room with a Astromech or people would have been like "Hey how did they do that with Goldie?" Do you think we should mention this?--Fisto-Arsix 13:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

• Not if it's speculation. — CC7567 ^(s)talk 18:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Commander

I don't know about Denal being a commander. He served under Rex and the ranks in the wireless game are probably a gameplay device. I think we shouldn't mention his rank until it is confirmed by an official source.--Butters4115 13:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

• Also, Denal has black hair-[2]--Butters4115 14:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
  • No official source says that his rank in the wireless game is gameplay mechanics. And as far as it does not contradict other sources, it is canon. Denal will probably be featured in the second season of TCW. If some issues concerning his rank pop up there, the article may be changed to reflect this, but until then, it stays as it is. QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 14:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Ok. Sounds good to me.Butters4115 ^(Talk) 14:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
      • I would say that issue had now come up - Denal took orders from Rex during the Battle of Devaron, even though he supposedly outranks him. Do we consider this a contradiction with the cell-phone game?--Demos Traxen 04:04, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
        • That's a good point, Demos. QuiGonJinn did a fantastic job working up all the cellphone game stuff and I think all of that should stay, but the part about his rank really does need to be changed. It's just game mechanics, a reward for completing a level. Denal is still taking orders from Rex, so either he really, really respects Rex's judgement, or he's outranked. I always heard he was a sergeant, personally. --Bella'Mia 05:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
          • Just wait until Friday; everything will be fixed then. QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 05:14, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

It could be, but this is just my own speculation, but it is possible that he was field premoted to commander, for those missions. I haven't played the game, but from what i read, it is possible... i think. Ah well, that's my own personal speculation. Make of it what you will. --Ima Wiz Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 17:01, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

It is your own speculation, therefore it doesn't belong to Wookieepedia articles, nor talk pages. --Xd 17:08, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Intro

Should the intro's first sentence be changed to

Denal was the nickname of a clone trooper commander in the elite 501st Legion.

Because Denal was his nickname, not his real name. Xd1358 13:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

• That's why we have a template that says exactly that. I find it sufficient. QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 13:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
  • The article about Slick has both the template and the mention in the intro. Xd1358 14:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Feel free to change it then. It's not a big deal, actually. QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 14:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
      • well dont most clones prefer there nicknames if so lets just agree with the name denal

A Clone Paratrooper?

Could denal have been a clone paratrooper since he used his jetpack (in all missions) to fall behind enemy lines, example the battle of christophsis he jumped of a building and used his jetpack to stop collision with the ground and attacked the droids from behind. Thats what it says clone paratroopers do.--ARC commander4 18:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• Could he be one? Possibly. Is he? No. CC7567 ^(talk) 19:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
• I didn't say he IS one, I said he COULD be one.--ARC commander4 13:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Please read both {{Talkheader}} at the top of this page and WP:NOT. We're not a forum for discussing all the possibilities or speculating on what someone can or can't be. CC7567 ^(talk) 16:17, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Split-Up?

Should we add a amor and equipment section and move all thing regarding that from the personality and traits section?--Butters4115 ^{(Well hiya there, fellas!) 15:22, October 2, 2009 (UTC)}

Is that really Denal?

I noticed that denal's voice sounded a little ... Mechanic and deeper after he and that other clone cornered bane, and that in the Comercial for season two, a clone wearing armor that looked very similar to denal apparently abandoned a post...and clones tend not to be deserters.Besides, if bane really died, woldn't he have had a more ... exciting death than being seen shot off a platform from a distance. I think Bane killed denal and took his armor. Just speculation, mind you.--Turbogruntman117 13:33, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

• It's fairly obvious that's what he did...in the video linked a little ways up, we see Anakin kick Denal's helmet off while he's in a starfighter to reveal Cad Bane's face.--68.46.2.49 15:50, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
  • Please be patient and wait for it to be clarified next week. It's not too much to ask to wait six more days. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:20, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
    • The reveal was already spoiled in the trailer, so I don't think there's any doubt. But if CC says, we can wait. Mauser^Comlink 18:28, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
      • There are a few reasons why I'm pretty sure that Cad Bane killed Denal and took his armor. Cad bane died to easily. There is no way that he hardly put up a fight. And even though there was no other way he could of excaped the frigate, he apears later in the trailer. When Denal said "No sir" to Anakin, his voice sounded kinda like Bane's. And a few other reasons that are obvious. Poor Denal, he was one of my favorite clone troopers.--Darksaber501st 21:30, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
        • Wait for it to be confirmed this coming Friday instead of continuing this pointless discussion. Yes, we essentially know what happened, but we cannot do anything about it until a source confirms it directly. Please stop wasting your time mulling over this. CC7567 ^(talk) 21:47, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
          • At least the cell-phone mission needs to be moved up to before the Devaron mission.—Gethralkin^Hyperwave 16:56, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Denal's Ranking?

I don't believe Denal is a commander. I researched this and could not find what rank he is. I found more evidence (not confirmed as accurate) that he is a Sargent. —Unsigned comment by RC 1138 (talk • contribs)

• If you've played the mobile game, then you'll know that that is where he got that rank. CC7567 ^(talk) 22:44, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Face

Do we ever actually see his face, or did Hasbro make it up for the figure? If so, then can we get a picture of it and post that somewhere? VhettSkirata Mando'ade 00:12, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Clone Commander Denal

Would including "...was a Clone trooper commander..." be appropiate for within the first paragraph of the article?--Alexyodaross 23:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)Alexyodaross

• If it can't get past the issues already outlined in the Bts (which to my knowledge, it can't), then no, it should not be added to the article. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:46, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Mentioned

what episode he was mentioned —Unsigned comment by Wcrolas990 (talk • contribs)

Maybe you should try to read the article? QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 16:55, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Apparence in 2008's movie

In The Clone Wars movie (2008), onboard the Acclamator's hangar over Teth when Ahsoka talks about how she saved Anakin on Christophsis, there is a Clone Trooper without helmet but his arms wear the same marking that Denal armor have. It's the Clone who says: "I heard you were surrounded by droids. How did you get the shield down?" It could be Denal? I can add a screenshot if necessary. 88.120.49.44 20:36, December 31, 2016 (UTC).

Sergeant or not?

Was Denal's rank changed?

I thought he was a sergeant.