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FORCE ABILITIES

It is stated that Maul "...learned a technique similar to one spell used by Darth Zannah..." One Spell is then linked to the Force Ability Summon fear. There is nothing to indicate Maul used a spell or any Sith Sorcery. He did not recite an incantation nor did he make signs with his fingers. We also don't know that the Iktotchi died from fear. We don't know exactly what Maul did, and it seems that he could have possibly used some form of Deadly Sight. We don't even know that, but it seems more logical that Maul used a Force Ability rather than Sith Sorcery simply because there is no spell or sign used to indicate use of sorcery. Red Heathen (talk) 05:10, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

Darth Maul's status: dead or alive?

First, sorry if I'm doing something wrong, because i'm from Argentina and most of the times I make editions here is to add the spanish Interlang. But I was seeing this article and I saw someone has eliminated Darth Maul's date of death from his infobox. Why has someone do that? Does it says in any CANON SOURCE that Darth Maul survived his duel against Obi-Wan Kenobi? All I see are rumors, but I haven't seen ANY canon source that says he's alive. I don't know if you have talked about this before, because I don't use to read articles' talks, but seriosuly, you should put his date of death again. At least until some canon source tells he is still alive, but before that, DARTH MAUL IS DEAD.----Skenar ^(Discusión) 06:35, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Please calm down; even though the retcon being made is rather large, there's no reason to speak so strongly. Several online articles relating to The Clone Wars have reported that Maul is no longer dead, but the canon source you're probably looking for is Star Wars: The Wrath of Darth Maul, which confirms he survived his duel with Kenobi. CC7567 ^(talk) 06:40, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if I appeared as if I was angry; I utilized capital letters to emphasize what I said, not to shout. So in that novel it says that Maul is still alive? And what do you mean with "even though the retcon being made is rather large"? You mean that there will have lots of things to fix with retcons?----Skenar ^(Discusión) 06:45, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
  - No, I mean the fact that he is being brought back from being dead is a rather major change in canon. The book itself presents some of the plot from the upcoming episode "Brothers," which will feature Maul. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:01, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
    - Yeah, course if he should survive and escape in these upcoming episodes does that mean that the Old Wounds story might become canon? I mean i am just thinking that if Maul should survive, should that story that i mentioned be made canon. course it all depends on what will happen in the upcoming story arc starting with "Brothers". course from what i have seen on the darth maul page, it suggests that darth maul is suffering from amnesia and until we get more information, we just have wait and see. --CC-1990 20:48, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
      - It would be nice if the Clone Wars stopped changing the canon. It could have at the very least not rendered a bunch of sources non-canon by having Maul dead, and then later on revived. But it would have been best to not bring him back period imo. And I don't think Old Wounds will become canonical. In addition to Leland Chee stating it was non-canon, it has Darth Maul killing Watto before 0 BBY, when in Star Wars Galaxies Watto was still alive after the Battle of Yavin. Hanzo Hasashi 23:27, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
        Yes, it would be nice if George Lucas would stop changing canon. Just because almost every writer in the franchise is more talented than you doesn't mean you should undo everything they contributed that made Star Wars great, George. Wookieepedia, do the right thing: leave Maul dead and consider TCW non-canon.

I think that its just down right stupid to bring him back alive. I mean the guy was dead, he was cut in half, and to add to that even if someone put him back together he fell 200 fracken feet. So he got cut in half and broke every bone in his body, including his head. Plus who the hell found him and put him back together, who on Naboo would do that? And if so how did he end up in those caves? I honestly like the clone wars, but I hate it when they don't portray the characters correctly, or when they do stuff that conflicts with canon. They horribly portrayed Dengar, and did a decent Boba Fett portrayal, but his portrayal was worse every episode. Plus Bossk could not have known Boba Fett as a kid. Why you ask? Well in the book Star Wars the Bounty Hunter wars, (which is canon) Bossk clearly says that Boba Fett knew his father Cradossk long before he was even born. So unless in Trandoshan years 1 year is seven or more years, and Boba met cradossk at like 2 or 3. Then there's no way that they could have met, and worked together during the Clone Wars. To add to it Bossk could have not been a well experienced Bounty hunter by then. Now really my point is, is that really the hole reason they brought Maul back, was because they needed to find something interesting, something that people would be really into finding out. But the way they did it didn't make sense.--Tomahawk23 14:35, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

If you want to complain about the cannon status write your own blog or on your own talk page, not here. --CC-6616 22:03, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's funny how people say Darth couldn't have survived. Grievous survived worse and he wasn't a sith. --Emperordmb 10:34, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

This is a very giant plothole because someone found his brain and spinal cord so clearly he must have died but it never explains how..... Quickly lets all make up stories about him dying in legends! :D

He is dead. How is unknown but he is "Resurrected" so its clear that he died at some point. But now that legends continuity is cancelled its unlikely we will ever get a story about his death. Also, to who ever keeps erasing when I point that out on the page: Please Stop.

Darth Maul in The Clone Wars Season 5?

Where does it say that Maul is gonna be in season 5? I don't think that Lucas or anyone has confirmed about this. DragonSlayer2 14:25, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

From the page history: see here. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:15, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Look at the season 5 trailer --Emperordmb 02:12, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Darth Maul's Home world

The article states that Maul was born on Iradoina, however in Star Wars: Darth Plagusis Sidious recevis the very young infantfrom a nightsister. is there something I'm missing here? Wouldn't that back Maul's Home world Datmathoir instead? --Darthyoda1396 01:55, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Maul was born on Iridonia. His mother, the Nightsister Kycina, traveled to Iridonia in order to find a mate - an Iridonian Zabrak, whom she killed according to her people's traditions. She then returned to Dathomir with the newborn infant, where she presumably applied his tattoos, etc. However, she kept his existence a secret from Mother Talzin and entrusted him to Sidious upon their meeting on Dathomir. Thus his world of birth was Iridonia, but his homeworld is still considered Dathomir and he is still a Dathomirian Zabrak. And for your information, Talzin learns about his existence over a decade later and recognizes his clan from his tattoos, so there is meaning to them. -- AdmiralD'orl001 3:07, May 10 2012 (UTC)

He was born on Dathomir. The Nightsisters didn't travel to Iridonia to find Zabrak mates, rather the Zabraks were imported to Dathomir. The first male Zabraks were brought to Dathomir from Iridonia on a pirate starship decades before Maul was born. The Nightsisters then decided to mate with the Zabraks and keep them as slaves. Therefore Maul was definitely born on Dathomir, and most likely his father was too. Given the amount of time that passed between the year in which the first Zabrak slaves arrived on Dathomir and the year in which Maul was born, it is likely that you would have to go back to his grandfather to find an ancestor of his that was actually born on Iridonia. —Unsigned comment by 65.36.90.254 (talk • contribs)

Then that means Mauls homeworld should be changed to Dathomir, as it is establish canon. Vex Sadow 10:35pm, November 10 2013 (EST)

Maul: Phantom Menaces appearance non-canon?

Maul has been established as being a Dathomiran-Zabrak hybrid (being the brother of Savage, and also suggested in the Darth Plagueis novel), and wouldn't this make the Star Wars Tales Comic, Phantom Menaces, non-canon. The comic also shows Zabraks as being hairless and red-skinned like Maul, but most non-Nightbrother Zabraks are haired with tan or brown skin. Finally, Maul, being alive in the Clone Wars (and not to mention, looking much like his appearance in Old Wounds), could not survive without the brain that supposedly was took off his person on Naboo. Therefore, the comic must be non-canon.

oh and, TPM overrides other Canon, it's a movie. Therefore it overrides comics, games, television, books, etc. (Darthyoda1396 02:52, March 1, 2012 (UTC))

OK.Let's just say this. So TCW has sure made a major pile of bantha fodder for us to sort through. Let's just adopt a wait-and-see attitude for the next few weeks, because as soon as we figure out a way to make everything fit... BANG... a stray blaster bolt from TCW will hit us you know where. so lets just wait, if Darth Maul could wait several year to get his fate sorted out, then we can wait a few weeks, and focus on the bigger problem: Sorting through the beautiful mess know as Star Wars: The Old Republic. ("The Hero of Tython"–Darthyoda1396 02:49, March 1, 2012 (UTC))

"Phantom Menaces" is clearly non-canon, but not on the grounds of it's content. It was in Star Wars Tales, issue 17. Leland Chee has stated that Tales 1 through 20 are non-canon. That means 17, and thus that story, are non-canon. Unless another story references or incorporates this concept, it didn't happen. 76.177.149.57 22:51, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Darth Maul is Dead

I think this article should be moved back to say Darth Maul is dead since he clearly died in The Phantom Menace and TCW is lower canon than movie canon.

Forgot to sign again, sorryKitFisto19BBY 00:25, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

The Clone Wars is produced with George Lucas even working on a couple of the episodes. Anything in The Clone Wars is apporved by him and considered cannon. While movie cannon does have higher status all cannon is still considered cannon till George Lucas or someone else deems it to be non-canon. DarthRevan1173 18:53, March 1, 2012, (UTC)
- Please keep in mind of the {{Talkheader}} template listed on the top of this page. JangFett ^(Talk) 00:37, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
  - Besides, all the movie shows is him getting cut in half and falling. That hasn't been changed, so therefore, the two pieces of canon can co-exist.--Emperordmb 11:54, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

"Darth" status

With his condition newly upgraded to "alive", perhaps we should move this page to just "Maul"? He's alive, he's no longer a Sith Lord, and because we already know what happens in the future from where the show is now, we know he's not going to be a Sith Lord again. I would think, at this point, referring to him as Darth Maul would be incorrect as it refers to a title that ceased to hold some time ago.

In addition, I believe Wookieepedia naming policy actually calls for character articles being named for what the character was known at time of death. Since we know he doesn't become a Sith Lord again, this would appear to be rather black and white. Or red, if you prefer ;)

Thoughts? – DigiFluid 02:27, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

You have a point, but all of the sources I've seen (specifically, the new Insider and his SW.com Encyclopedia entry) all still refer to him as "Darth Maul." Until this changes, his name should remain as is. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:39, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
- I think as long as he continues to be refered to as "Darth" in canon then the title should remain for the time being. The infobox, however is another matter. As he is no longer a Sith should we change it to Dark Jedi? Jayden Matthews 14:52, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
  - The latest TCW episode specifically refers to him as "Sith". Just because he is no longer Palpatine's servant doesn't mean that he stopped being a Sith. --Kir the Wizard 09:24, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
    - Sure it does. During the Clone Wars, the Sith in the galaxy are the Order of the Sith Lords, which by the Rule of Two consists of Palps and Dooku. He's certainly a darksider, maybe a Dark Jedi as you suggested in your previous post. But he isn't Sith anymore. IIRC the only time he's referred to as a Sith in Revenge is by the narrator. The narrator's authority on factual correctness is (I think) still in question/up for debate, as he doesn't appear to be meant as an in-universe character and only exists as an homage to old pulp films and to give a crash course on episode setup. – DigiFluid 17:45, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
      - I disagree with your logic, but I agree with your essential point. There were other Sith in the galaxy at the time, including the Lost Tribe, and the Dark Force. At the end of the day he was trained to be an attack dog, not a Sith Lord. Sidious had zero intention of being succeeded by him. Jayden Matthews 18:02, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
        I agree with Kir the Wizard. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he ever stopped being Sith. Palpatine's intended uses for him are completely irrelevant as he was at the end of the day a Sith Lord with the "Darth" title. He also can't technically be a Dark Jedi because he was never a regular Jedi in the first place. If his status can be changed to anything (which there just is insufficient basis for anyway) it should be to Sith acolyte like Ventress.
        Trouble with that is, very little of that is actually correct. As I already pointed out to Kir, the only time the episode called him a Sith was the narrator; who I note is in a questionable position regarding hard facts. And with regards to the Dark Jedi note, take a look at that article. Dark Jedi do not have to have ever been Jedi or members of the order in any way. To all appearances and reason, Maul is no longer Sith and hasn't been for at least 10 years as of Revenge. Really, I think the only compelling argument for keeping him as Darth/Sith here is what T&R's pointed out above; that the SW.com encyclopedia still calls him Darth. Given the nature and hierarchy of Star Wars canon that's hard to argue with, even if it is, by all apparent reasoning, wrong. (Also please remember to sign your posts with four ~ symbols at the end). – DigiFluid 13:43, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
        Actually, it seems your argument is the incorrect one. I've looked everywhere and there is absolutely NO SOURCE anywhere that even entertains the possibility that Maul isn't Sith anymore. What about the Encylclopedia's reasoning is wrong? He was Sith when he went down the reactor shaft and nothing about that has changed. Just because Sidious took a new apprentice doesn't mean Maul's previous status as Sith was erased.McJediProbie 16:09, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
        I would like to add that a new source reveals that the Rule of Two officially expired 13 years before Maul was even born. The Rule of Two is completely irrelevant. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 17:14, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
        StarWars.com still lists his name as Darth Maul and his affiliation to the Sith so he is still a Sith Lord.--CC-6616 05:44, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
        I'm also not sure why DigiFluid is treating the narrator's comments as possibly not canon. We have no source that says otherwise and cannot assume they are any less canon than anything else in an official source. If anything, as an omniscient narrator, they should be more "correct" than the subjective comments of characters who don't know the whole picture. But either way, they're in a canon source and we don't get to make calls on what is or isn't canon. If there's doubt to his Sith status (which there does not seem to be), it should be mentioned in BTS as a conflict between sources. ~Savage 11:42, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
This seems to already be dealt with, but still... I don't see any reasons to make changes here. Both in the EU with Chancellor Valorum and in the real world with US presidents and other dignitaries, people are still known by past titles even if they no longer hold the position it refers to. Similarly, nobles that have lost their land were still known by their titles afterwards. Veterans of war still go by their former ranks. A soldier MIA, thought KIA, doesn't lose their rank even if officially dead. Unless a rank or title is stripped from an individual, or they abandon it willingly, they still retain it no matter their current status. Similarly, unless officially expelled from a group, they still are technically members even with the issue of the Rule of Two. Besides, there are plenty of instances of "splinter factions" and the like, especially in the Sith. Take Darth Millenial for example, he rebelled against the Rule of Two, making his way to Dromund Kaas, where he founded the splinter group that evolves into the Prophets of the Dark Side. Despite this, he still retains his title, and still is considered a member - albeit a former member - of the Order of Sith Lords. As far as I'm concerned, unless an official source indicates otherwise, Darth Maul is "Darth Maul" and he is a "Sith Lord". --AdmiralD'orl001 03:44, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
- - - - In the season 5 trailer, he claims to still be a Sith Lord, so I think he will keep the Darth Title.

Tattoos and canon precedence

JM and I were just discussing a problem in this article that we don't seem to be entirely sure how to resolve re: Maul's tattoos. In a couple of previous, canon sources (Marked and Jedi vs. Sith), a young Maul is depicted without tattoos and having received them in Marked as part of his training. Images from these are currently in use in the article text to show Maul at a younger age. But along comes Darth Plagueis, and it describes an infant Maul as already having tattoos.

An article without pictures kind of sucks, especially for such an important subject. But what are we to do/what's the best way forward? Does tat-less Maul in more than one source override Plagueis just by numbers? Or does Plagueis override previous sources because it's newer? – DigiFluid 17:37, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think Plagueis is more important canon it discusses more things, furthermore, have you seen Monster? All the Zabraks, including Savage, Feral and Viscus have tattoos, though they were never trained as Siths. I think some images don't mean he couldn't have had tattoos before he was trained. --XXLVenom998 18:32, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
- the tatoos were an important part of zabrak culture, not sith. so while maul got his tatoos as part of his sith upbringing, the tatoos on the others are actually to be expected. Swordsquirrel 10:28, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention that Marked and Jedi vs. Sith were both written before George Lucas decided to bring Darth Maul back into the fold; and not just bring him back, but with a retconned background as well. In sum, he received his tattoos at birth as part of a Dathomirian/Nightbrother tradition, rather than being marked by his master with Sith tattoos. Furthermore, I'm a bit skeptical about this article continuing to state that he was born on Iridonia instead of Dathomir. In the Plagueis novel, page 183 to be exact, it states that Maul was not of the Iridonian sort; rather, a Dathomirian. It seems like speculation to assume that Maul was still born on Iridonia, as he was in previous canonical sources, when this has essentially been overwritten in the Plagueis novel and the Clone Wars, both of which are clearly establishing a new backstory for the character. JRT2010 19:55, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I think Wrath of Darth Maul still states that he was born on Iridonia. However, this should be considered a mistake, as his encyclopedia entry has his homeworld as Dathomir, and his species as Dathomirian. Jayden Matthews 17:39, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I would note that homeworld does not always mean the world that someone was born on.--Exiled Jedi

(Greetings) 19:56, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Oh come on! Is this the most important thing? The only thing matters that he is back!--XXLVenom998 19:06, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
- This discussion is for helping the article, XXLVenom. Zakor1138 21:09, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  - Exiled Jedi; I agree but the Encylopedia entries do refer to "homeworld" as the place of birth, as they list Ventress' homeworld as Dathomir, not Rattatak. Thefore, when they list Maul's homeworld as Dathomir they are refering to his planet of birth, not the planet on which he was raised, which, to further confuse things is now Mustafar! At any rate there can be no doubt that Iridonia is non-canon. Star Wars: Darth Plagueis makes this perfectly clear, as does The Clone Wars, in which Talzin calls him a "son of Dathomir". The Encyclopedia also lists his species as Dathomirian, not Iridonian. Jayden Matthews 11:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
    - Star Wars: The Wrath of Darth Maul, p. 17: "Born on Iridonia." --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:02, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
    - Sidious says in The Wrath of Darth Maul on page 17, "You may have been born on the planet Iridonia, but you came to my attention on another world, Dathomir." Maul was born on IRIDONIA!JoeSkywalker 14:17, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
- To get at DigiFluid's original question, we generally favor the more recent source in a case of conflict like this and then note the discrepancies in the BTS section. Since images are involved, though, and we do want to illustrate the article, I can see the added level of difficulty. My suggestion would be to present his background as the more recent sources do (the encyclopedia and Plagueis, I think), and to remove the non-tattooed childhood pictures from the in-universe section of the article, but perhaps still use one in the BTS section with a note about the controversy. Be sure to add the template to the article about it being part of the Clone Wars project and conflicting with existing canon, per pretty much everything else The Clone Wars has messed with... ~Savage 11:48, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
  - But it mistaken to assume that there is a discrepancy. One source reveals that he was tattooed before his first birthday with "garish ceremonial pigments" and then we have depictions of him about 12 or so years later where the tattoos appear to be absent. The discrepancy is no more than a difference in artistic interpretation, no different than images of characters in bobblehead doll cartoon style coexisting with more photorealistic depictions as well as with pictures of the actors portraying them, as is the case in this article also. Moreover, it has not been stated in a canon source, from an omniscient POV, that, "at the time of his death, Maul had the very same markings that he had when he was an infant." As things stand now, it is perfectly reasonable to even assume that the tattoos had faded by the time of Maul's depictions in the images (if anyone has knowledge of the long term effects of infant tattooing, please don't bring it up). In any case, I see no real discrepancy. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:25, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
    - I'd say it's way more speculative to say his tattoos faded than it is to say that we have a canon conflict. It's safest to treat this with soft cotton gloves, go with the newer sources, and note the discrepancy in the BTS section. ~Savage 12:37, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
      - We do not have a canon conflict, only a possible conflict in depiction. Again, how is this a bigger discrepancy than any difference in artistic depiction? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2
        Because tattoos or not is hard to chalk up to artistic license, especially since the non-tatted images in question came from a time when the canon answer was, "He didn't have the tattoos yet." This is clearly an example of a change in canon showing up in artwork. ~Savage 13:54, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
        I disagree, as I still fail to see a serious discrepancy. As a reader, I would find a behind the scenes mention of the possible discrepancy redundant, but I understand how other readers might seek an explanation for the lack of "black tattoos" in the first two pictures in the behind the scenes section. But moving two canon images there because they appear to clash with a vague description of "red and black pigments" is not justifiable the way I see it. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:21, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
        Then we seem to be at loggerheads. Hopefully someone else will pipe in so we can get more opinions. If things cannot be resolved, we can move this to a Senate Hall discussion for more eyes. ~Savage 14:33, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
I've considered both arguments, but ultimately I have to agree with SavageBob. As has been pointed out, the old images of a tattoo-less Maul were created before his backstory was retconned for TCW; before it was known that he was actually born into the Nightbrother clan of Dathomir, in which they are tattooed at birth. This is the more recent canon. The changes were done on purpose, in accordance with Maul's new background. Simply put, there is absolutely no logic in keeping the "tattoo-less Maul" images in the biography section while stating in the text that he was tattooed as an infant. It would be more appropriate to move one of those images to the BTS section and explain the discrepancy there. JRT2010 17:36, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
- If I may add that this image, which I believe was once hosted on this website, is perfect for a possible behind the scenes mention of the apparent discrepancy, and that this image appears now to be a more a more accurate representation of infant Maul than the canon childhood images of him! (In the second case, I'm not saying anything about canonicity, just pointing out an amusing fact.) --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:04, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
- The way I've justified it personally is that Maul got his black tattoos as a Nightbrother, and Sidious tattooed his remaining yellow skin with Sith red. --The Great and Grand Count Mall!^{(Bow down before me!)} 01:14, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Profile Image - Vandalism, or April Fool's?

I noticed that there was a new profile image (on the night before April 1st on my end), and it wasn't a random contributer like I usually see in other sites doing vandalism. I'm going to assume it was an April Fool's joke, for now, but if it isn't it should be removed. Image in question: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Maulmain.jpg Luke Danger 00:53, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

We're actually not entirely sure what we're going to be doing with the Darth Maul article due to our new fanon policy. The article is very much in flux, so nothing is going to be official until we come to a decision on it. Anything is pretty much fair-game for Mr. Maul for the time being. Have at it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:55, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
- The fanon policy is an April Fool's joke, and I am the only one who realizes it -_- --Lamp774 11:08, April 1, 2012 (UTC)Lamp774
  - Sorry, Toprawa is correct. JangFett ^(Talk) 14:46, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can an administrator please stop the harmful attacks on the Darth Maul page please. It seems childish to see a meme image in place of a proper picture. Heck, I'm 15 years old and I'm trying to tell adults on how to behave. Can somebody help out here? It is indeed an April fools joke. One of the administrators is even agreeing with these immature editors (Xd1358)

We gave that page a meme. [Redacted by administration]. 1358 ^(Talk) 14:52, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can we please try to keep this website at a G Rating?--71.240.181.195 03:40, January 9, 2013 (UTC)#1ObiWanKenobiFan

Please just get rid of it. You should know better, 'admin'

You should lighten up more, "anon". nayayen ★talk 15:13, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
Its, to be frank, embarassing to have that picture there. If the article is in flux, it should be locked down.--Cheers Dog of War ^{AKA the God of Raw} 15:16, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Appearance

I've noticed that maul's new appearance in the clone wars highly resembles his appearance in Old Wounds. should this be noted in the behind the scenes section? Swordsquirrel 10:31, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

perhaps, yes--Vader sux 23:14, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Typo?

doppelgänger is that a typo?--188.114.151.122 11:00, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Why would it be? It's a german loneword after all. ;-) See this link on the other wiki.[1] --LelalMekha 11:03, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

i honestly thought that the english spelling of the word was doubleganger--188.114.151.122 12:49, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

See wiktionary:doppelgänger. 1358 ^(Talk) 12:54, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

The Wrath Of Darth Maul

Information from this book needs to be updated on Maul's bio page because it details his early life. Stuff from Siolo Ur Manka and Black Sun can be moved down after the book info. 124.180.135.99 06:42, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Brotherly love

a minor change for the personality section should be implemented. If you recall, in Revival, Obi Wan cuts of Savage's arm and Maul seemed pretty shocked and angry. Maybe we should put in that Maul had some form of love for his brother.

Force Lightning?

Is his use of force lightning canon or is it only in video games? —Unsigned comment by 174.94.36.119 (talk • contribs)

This page is not for asking questions about the subject. It's for talking about making changes to the article. I direct you to the Knowledge Bank. NaruHina ^Talk 02:40, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Actually I think his question is legit here. He's merely asking if that content is canon or not. Answering your question, my fellow anon, while some Video games are considered non-canonical, others are considered as canon. You may notice in the article that force lightning is within the Force powers section and referenced to a canonical source so ye it's canon. Winterz (talk) 02:49, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
Like he was trained as a sith Assassin as well as was never shown using it in the clone wars (so far)
he wasn't shown doing force lightning in any other materiel other then the phantom menace video game

It's my understanding that the game was at one time considered canon and is now legends. Either way, as of now, it is legends content. We are never told that Maul cannot use lightning. He has had it used on him; he is powerful in the Force; the Dark Side has deemed him worthy to use as a vessel, and he is one of the most highly trained Sith in the history of the Order (by "the" most powerful Sith ever). All of that is in EU and/ or Canon, and Maul meets the criteria for being capable of using it. IMO, His use of it in the game constitutes him being able to use it.

Maul's Homeworld

I was watching the Witches of the Mist episode of the Clone Wars and something caught my attention. When Obi-wan, Yoda and Mace were talking about the holo recording of Savage Opress, Windu says that Maul was raised in Dathomir and that the rest of the pecies males dwell from Iridonia. Doesn't that mean that he was born in Iridonia and then taken to Dathomir? And yet another question, why does the homeworld part on the reader show that Dathomir is his homeworld and the Birth section says he was born in Iridonia? I don't know if I missed something about how this was structured but it seems a bit contradicting to me. SKYWALKER 18:51, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Homeworld works as Hometown. Your birthplace is the exact place where you were born, homeworld is the place where you were raised and lived for a grand part of your life. Winterz (talk) 02:42, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks man, but another question rose in my mind, how did the Jedi learn Maul's name? Because I don't remember Maul saying anything to the Jedi on episode I. SKYWALKER 22:32, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
  - From the old "Witches of the Mist" guide: "Expanded Universe lore had previously suggested that the Jedi never knew Darth Maul's name, but the captured Neimoidians would have known it during the Naboo invasion. Maul's EU connections to Iridonia are also mentioned, though the episode reveals Maul was raised on Dathomir." CC7567 ^(talk) 00:47, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

New Affiliations

Death Watch, the Ohnaka Gang and Black Sun should be included in the affiliations section because he will be working with them in Season Five of the Clone Wars. Also, Maul will be forming his own organization called the Shadow Collective. It would be worth it to include that. —Unsigned comment by 60.230.97.24 (talk • contribs)

Trade Federation

I would like to ask how Maul is affiliated with the Trade Federation. He was on Naboo to monitor their progress and he was not a part of their organization. Could someone please cover this up for me and explain? 121.219.158.30 06:41, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yinchorri

I noticed in the "Yinchorri" section that when Maul observed the raid on the Jedi Temple the sentry was Lilit Twoseas. Twoseas was on Yinchorr where she died, not on Coruscant. I can't access this and edit as I have no account, so it would be appreciated if someone could edit that for me. 124.181.152.246 00:01, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

same quote

I don't know if it's important to add that Maul says the exact same as the Son at one point. Maul says it in his hide-out at the end of 'Brothers'. And the Son says it when Ahsoka is locked up in his tower, when he is disguised as the little creature that help her get unchained. "The chains, the chains are the easy part. It's what goes on in here that is hard." -- Altaïr 11:37, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, it's not. The quote itself has no meaning and makes little sense (it's not confirmed if he's referring to the Sith Code, so we cannot speculate). I wouldn't worry about it. JangFett ^(Talk) 13:03, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Tattoo Hijinks- Not canon but fanon?

Hey all, just noticed that this is in the article:

"Later stripped of his black Nightbrother markings, Maul was left solely red-skinned."

With a source (source 16, I think) indicating canon status, when it is not the case. To my knowledge, Lucasfilm/georgi-boy canon is prioritized over EU canon. The comic in star wars tales 24/source 16 (Story named "marked") referenced was EU canon, does not tie in or relate to any G-canon publications and is outdated (published in 2005). Considering the nightbrother tattoo retcon in the darth plagueis novel (Recent, published 2012) works best with current continuity. The tattoos of the nightbrothers being similar in style to Darth Maul, it would seem illogical to take the canonicity of the comic seriously when it comes to Mauls tattoos and the creation thereof (story/character development aside as that part of the comic does not conflict with canon).

Feel free to disagree, but as far as I know new material especially when it relates to or is Lucasfilm "offical" (non-eu) canon material it will override existing canon. The "stripping of tattoos" seems like speculation/fanon. Can someone with access to this article clean this up? Thanks, --203.51.222.108 13:47, April 20, 2013 (UTC)AbhorrentAdmirer

The comic is canon as it and material within it is referenced in later sources. He appears without his black markings in the comic and it is therefore apparent that the black markings have been removed at this point in Maul's history leaving him totally red-skinned. The statement in question is itself a logical interpretation of events and statement of fact not speculation/fanon. They were mystically applied and therefore it is not beyond reasoning that they could also be removed. What would be considered speculation is that Palpatine may have removed Maul's Nightbrother markings and painfully reapplied Sith tattoos (repeatedly perhaps) as part of Maul's punishment; but that has not been added to article. Rokkur Shen (talk) 14:12, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to disagree. The comic precedes the latest material and the latest material is canon? The comic is 7 years old and the writer clearly did not have the most recent additions to canon in mind given the time it was written. It is speculation as you assume that Sidious removed Maul's tattoos. It is never directly stated by any of the sources that sidious removed the tattoos, regardless of your or my interpretation. Therefore it is speculation. You also show bias towards your idea of what happened as you favor the outdated and problematic/incompatable source to work with rather than the new and shiny source that works with canon; and, yes the tattoo retcon was really, really bad but it's canon. :/ I apologize if I sound condescending (I'm told I can be so sorry in advance.) but marked is incredibly dated and is no longer "reliable" as it doesn't work with current canon, Plagueis is recent and does work with current canon. Therefore it is logical that Plagueis takes precedence. --121.222.145.165 08:30, April 22, 2013 (UTC)AbhorrentAdmirer

Hi, actually the article & the statement you question does not state that Sidious removed them. I simply mentioned that in my comment above to explain how it can be explained away. All that is stated in the sentence you've identified is that at some point he was red-skinned as is depicted in Marked. The word "stripped" is used to illustrate that he has had "removed", "is lacking", etc the black markings. Sidious does however apply Sith tattoos to Maul as mentioned in both Marked & Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. We can't just throw two canon sources out because one of them is 7 years old. Leland Chee has stated that material that is not directly contradicted (by material in the Clone Wars) stays. The statement does not contradict the existing material; the newer material (ie. Darth Plagueis novel) simply doesn't mention it. The statement in the article allows the both Marked & Jedi vs. Sith to maintain their place in continuity without explicitly contradicting newer canon. I don't see myself as favoring the older material (I support the inclusion of all material), I've attempted to explain how the statement enhances the article by including the three relevant sources. I tend to look at it "from a certain point of view". That's my opinion anyway. As an aside, how are we to know he simply wasn't lying to Plagueis when he mentions the Nightbrother markings or neglects to mention the application of Sith tatoos. If Sidious revealed that he did indeed apply Sith tattoos to Plagueis this would betray that Maul had been elevated to the level of Sith. Rokkur Shen (talk) 09:43, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

(Warning for generally testy tone of my reply) Rokkur plz Look as far as I know sourcing doesn't work that way. It may be compatible and as you say it fits from "a certain point of view." But it's your point of view. Just yours. Only yours. Or in other words... speculation? Stripping tattoos typically means removing them, btw. I don't want to have to explain it again I'm not discounting them completely I'm simply saying some of the content is outdated and is no longer canon not the entire frakking source. With Marked it is contradicting by the fact that we see darth maul having his tattoos put on (eg. on plain red skin) as a young man. But in Darth Plagueis it is very clearly stated he is tattooed with nightbrother tattoos and frequently mentioned in Wrath of darth maul that he was tattooed by the time he was three. The sources conflict. Do you see what I mean? If it was mentioned at any point that darth sidious removed his nightbrother tattoos (that, buy the way resemble the rest of the Nightbrothers clan) and put them back on 'cause reasons as sith tattoos it would be explicitly stated in EU material. I've said this two times please, gawd read what I say. Maul having tattoos does NOT, I REPEAT NOT CONFLICT WITH CANON JUST BECAUSE TWO OLD SOURCES CONFLICT WITH THE NEWER SOURCES THAT OVERRIDE OUTDATED INFORMATION. if this is really an issue I'd suggest taking it up with the mods, and again I'm sorry for being grouchy but you don't really seem to read my replies. --124.177.123.184 10:04, May 19, 2013 (UTC)abhorrent admirer

Doppelganger

Since his doppleganger is part of this article, in the infobox, should we include the date of death for the clone and specifically state that to avoid confusion? If we don't do that, then why is it that the clone has no article of its own? Dark Lord 21 (talk) 12:38, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed by the author, Ron Marz, it is the actual Maul resurrected. He is not a doppleganger. He is not a clone. He is not an illusion. Maul was brought by via Sith Sorcery. He was a living being and was killed again by Darth Vader. The incident took place shortly before the Battle of Yavin, which took place in 0 BBY. Red Heathen (talk) 04:59, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

Names and behind the scenes

I think it's worth mentioning that Maul and his brothers, Savage and Feral, all have very animalistic names (or in Savage's case it is still spelled the same but pronounced differently), in the behind the scenes section. Or is this just too much speculation even for behind the scenes for which I will likely receive a lot of annoying crap. --Emperordmb 01:01, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Unless an official source confirms the connection, we can't speculate. Supreme Emperor (talk) 01:04, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Masters

As I have come to understand it, and as have been told by other users, I thought that the masters section in the infobox was only reserved for Jedi or Sith. If this is true, could someone tell me why Meltch Karkko is included? Dark Lord 21 (talk) 01:47, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Doppelgänger

Why is there a heading named "Doppelgänger on Kalakar VI"? Doppelgänger is a german word and means double. Its just interesting, because in the English language exists no "Ä". Lord Dreist 15:19, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Living languages borrow lone words from other languages all the time. That word you mentioned here has indeed been imported in English, and while the spelling "doppelganger" is more common, the one using the letter ä is also accepted. So there's no problem at all. ;-) --LelalMekha (talk) 15:37, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, i never had heard of something like this before (exept Poltergeist). Lord Dreist 16:58, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
  - Confirmed by the author, Ron Marz, it is the actual Maul resurrected. He is not a doppleganger. He is not a clone. He is not an illusion. Maul was brought by via Sith Sorcery. He was a living being and was killed again by Darth Vader. The incident took place shortly before the Battle of Yavin, which took place in 0 BBY. Red Heathen (talk) 04:59, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

quotes

in this section ;

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maul?action=edit&section=31

First ; quote is not from the first episode maul show up

second ; it is too long for a quote

Thats why i want to change it with ;

Something is rising... Someting sinister... -Count Dooku

--Marco 1907 (talk) 15:07, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Maul's mother was human, therefore he was Dothomirian. He cannot be two species. All sources that say he's Zabrak say that because the characters were not aware of his dothomirian heritage. Maul is clearly not Zabrak, so I request that all parts of this article saying he is Zabrak or "Dothomirian Zabrak" get deleted. ^Vitiate^ (talk) 19:57, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

Dathomirian Zabrak is correct, or even just Zabrak. Both are used on the official Star Wars website. "...the Zabrak from Dathomir..." "...the Zabrak brothers..." "The Zabrak..."Red Heathen (talk) 01:44, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

What happens to Maul after The Clone Wars?

After Sidious kills Savage, he proceeds to torture Maul. He says he doesn't plan on killing him. What happens to Maul after being tortured? --Berserker2013 (talk) 23:14, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

The current Star Wars: Darth Maul—Son of Dathomir is in the process of explaining that. Cade Calrayn 23:16, July 6, 2014 (UTC)
- It should be noted that Son of Dathomir is canon-only, not Legends/Expanded Universe, so information about Maul in Son of Dathomir can be found on the Darth Maul page. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 01:17, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
  - That distinction is arbitrary and unnecessary. Son of Dathomir is an official TCW story, so it should have just as much bearing on the Legends article as any other material from the show.The Shadow Emperor (talk) 02:59, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
    - Nonetheless, it was released after April 25th, and was not an ongoing Legends series prior to its release. If Lucasfilm would like to tell us that it also applies to the Legends continuity then they may do so, but—from a documentation and policy standpoint here at Wookieepedia—it's treated as canon-only. We can only go by April 25th, otherwise we're starting to make subjective judgment calls. As an objective website, we can't do that. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 03:10, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
      - And I would argue that the very concept of a "Legends continuity" in the first place is a subjective decision made by this wiki. There is no "Legends continuity" in the eyes of Lucasfilm; only canon and non-canon. The Shadow Emperor (talk) 03:30, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
        We document everything (within reason) about Star Wars on Wookieepedia, so obviously we're going to be documenting a Legends continuity. The stories still exist, even if they're officially non-canon. Regardless, that's beside the point. Because Son of Dathomir was released after the EU became non-canon, that makes it canon and not Legends. Legends was before April 25th (with exceptions being made for ongoing EU comics, like Legacy, which will soon end). That won't be changing. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 03:36, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Maul's Image

Don't you guys think that we should use TCW / Son of Dathomir Maul image now ? TPM Maul seems like too old... --Marco 1907 (talk) 08:28, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as how Son of Dathomir is not Legends, it doesn't make sense to use an image from it in a Legends article...Trip391 (talk) 08:40, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
- huh ? TPM is not legends either, and Maul's current image is from TPM Movie... --Marco 1907 (talk) 08:43, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
  - The six original films and the Clone Wars TV series are indeed part of the Legends continuity as well as the current canon one. Doctor Kermit^(Complain.) 15:17, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Son of Dathomir inclusion?

Hi.

I know this is a dead horse, but are we sure we can't insert the Son of Dathomir events in the Legends article? Last I checked, the development of the comic predated the creation of the Legends and Canon continuities, and besides which, the events of the comic were based on a discarded episode of The Clone Wars series, which also is both Legends and Continuity, and even the Son of Dathomir issue articles label them under Legends continuity, so we probably should insert the Son of Dathomir events into the Legends page. Let me make clear, however, that this does NOT mean that any appearances of Darth Maul in the future are going to be going into the Legends page, just the events of Son of Dathomir. If Darth Maul appears in, say, Star Wars: Rebels or any other works that are firmly under the Canon label and not Legends, we keep him out of the Legends article. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:48, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, never mind. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:56, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Matt Martin (on Twitter) has clarified that Son of Dathomir can be Canon and Legends. It is both as stated already, but now we officially know the answer. Red Heathen (talk) 01:44, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

Real Mother

So who exactly is Darth Maul's mother? I understand that in earlier now Legends sources Kycina was his mother but now in the Son of Dathomir which is canon Mother Talzin herself is Maul's mother. Does he just have a different mother in each continuity or should Son of Dathomir be understood to retcon Maul's biography? GreenDragonRanger (talk) 02:49, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Maul's mother is officially (and retconned) Mother Talzin. Red Heathen (talk) 01:44, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

3.3 Factual correction - removal of Meltch Krakko as one of Maul's masters in Maul's bio.

Today, June 1, I removed Meltch Krakko from being listed as one of Maul's masters because he was not a Sith nor did he ever teach Maul anything about being a Sith. Krakko did not fit the definition of Sith Master, which is as follows: "A Sith Master was any member of the Sith sect who instructed an apprentice in the ways of the dark side of the Force."

If there is opposition to this edit, then please discuss it here before changing the wiki. edited on june 7, 2016, to add my name Red Heathen (talk) 20:31, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. The infobox doesn't just have to refer to Sith masters. It's anyone who was a master for the character. That's why it's noted as "combat instructor," whereas Sidious is referred to as his Sith Master. I hope that clears things up! - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 20:44, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

why this article says darth maul die in 0bby? the darth maul that die in 0bby was a dopleganger not the real darth maul

Maul died/Doppelganger

So wait, did Star Wars Legends reckon the whole Maul clone? Because apparently, Maul was the clone that fought Vader. I'm confused. Was it a clone that fought Vader was Maul or a doppelganger? --Undead Jastus (talk) 01:26, January 21, 2019 (UTC)

On July 30, 2018, on Twitter, I asked author Ron Marz if the Maul in the comic, Resurrection, was a clone or the real Maul. He stated that it was the "real Maul" resurrected. It was not a clone. It was not a doppleganger. I asked for further clarification of whether or not it was a real Maul, and he said the following: ""I can say for certain Maul was real. Because I made it all up." 9:04 PM - 30 Jul 2018"" Red Heathen (talk) 01:32, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

Kalakar six

if the darth maul on kalakar six is a ressurected maul how did he die the first time between son of dathomir and the time he was ressurected? —Unsigned comment by Beanbunny4 (talk • contribs)

Sadly I expect that will never be answered --Lewisr (talk) 16:54, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

Mother

if son of dathomir is both canon and legends does that mean talzin is maul mother in both canon and legends and kycina isn´t canon even in legends? —Unsigned comment by Beanbunny4 (talk • contribs)

Yes Talzin is now his mother in both, and as stated here 'details about Kycina would need to be treated as either non-canon or some kind of in-universe apocrypha'. Hope this helps --Lewisr (talk) 16:54, April 29, 2020 (UTC)
- is it possible that between the events of son of dathomir and the time maul was ressurected on kalakar six maul became the original guardian of wayland and was killed by c´baoth before he was ressurected on kalakar six in 0bby? why this article says maul is the son of kycina if it was retconed that talzin is maul mother in both disney canon and legends after matt martin confirmed that son of dathomir is both disney canon and legends? —Unsigned comment by Beanbunny4 (talk • contribs)

i think son of dathomir should be removed from the legends article matt martin doesn´t have authority over both continuities only the six seasons and the movie should be part of both continuities because they were released before the canon reboot but darth maul son of dathomir was released after april 25 2014 so son of dathomir should be disney canon only with means kycina should still be maul mother in legends canon.i don´t think we should take matt martin as a reliable source—Unsigned comment by Beanbunny4 (talk • contribs)

You're missing the point. Regardless of Martin's comments, some editions of Son of Dathomir have the Legends banner. Martin endorsed those prints because the story was developed for The Clone Wars, prior to 2014. - Cwedin^(talk) 19:53, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

is it possible that between the events of darth maul son of dathomir and the time he was ressurected in kalakar six maul was the original guardian of wayland before being killed by c´baoth? —Unsigned comment by Beanbunny4 (talk • contribs)

if son of dathomir is part of both continuities than the legends article of maul should also state that maul is the son of talzin —Unsigned comment by Beanbunny4 (talk • contribs)

sorry but it doesn´t mater if some son of dathomir prints as the legends brand it doesn´t mater if matt martin endorsed those prints it doesn´t mater if the comic was writen before the decanonazation and was the last comic from the dark horse licensing it was still released after april 25 2014 also son of dathomir was re released as a marvel comic so it cannot be part of both continuities son of dathomir is disney canon only kycina is maul mother in legends

son of dathomir doesn´t belong in this article son of dathomir is disney canon only

sorry but it doesn´t mater if some son of dathomir prints as the legends brand and the comic may have been writen before the decanonazation and it was the last comic from the dark horse licensing but it was still released after april 25 2014 also son of dathomir was re-released as a marvell comic so it cannot be part of both continuities son of dathomir is disney canon only it doesn´t belong in this article and kycina is maul mother in legends not talzin

sorry but it doesn´t mater if some son of dathomir prints as the legends brand it doesn´t mater if matt martin endorsed those prints it doesn´t mater if the comic was based on scripts from unproduced episodes of tcw it doesn´t mater if it was writen before the decanonazation and was the last comic from the dark horse licensing it was still released after april 25 2014 also son of dathomir was re released as a marvel comic so it cannot be part of both continuities son of dathomir is disney canon only and it doesn´t belong in this page kycina is maul mother in legends not talzin

never mind i was wrong you are right son of dathomir is both legends and canon and im glad its part of both continuities

yes you are right matt martin is correct son of dathomir is both legends and canon

why maul 0bby date of death was removed?

why this article still as kycina as maul mother?

the events of old wounds should be in this article because chee confirmed its canon

Perhaps Talzin being Maul's mother is more of a title. —Unsigned comment by Vintion5 (talk • contribs)