Cut Luquaine's name
How can a clone have a first- and lastname? Or did he give himself a name? --Jawaman Utinni! 12:39, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe this will be explained in, you know, the episode. -- I need a name (Complain here) 13:55, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
Name
As per the episode guide, his name is spelled "Lawquane." I can't, but someone should change the article accordingly. Dr. Kermit(Complain.) 03:46, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Cut's kids
Shouldn't it be said that that he was a stepfather to the kids, sice Twi'leks and humans can't crossbreed?--LastJedi1515 (talk)
04:00, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Hybrid species are common in the EU. As a matter of fact, Aurra Sing is one. Cut has said in the episode that he is the father of the two children. JangFett (Talk) 04:05, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Except in Republic Commando: Order 66 it's stated that Twi'leks and humans can't interbreed, interestingly enough by Atin, a clone commando who also has a Twi'lek wife. He could have easily just formally adopted the children, which I believe would cross out the "step" part of his fatherhood.--Bella'Mia 04:15, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- If you look at the kids though, it's pretty obvious they're intended to be hybrids. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 04:23, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- They looked pretty old to be his own children. Dr. Kermit(Complain.) 05:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- While they do look like hybrids, the Battle of Geonosis couldn't have been more than a year and a half or so before the episode, and the clone clearly mentions that he met the Twi'lek after that battle, but the children must be a few years older than that since they are conversing intelligently with adults. Sure Twi'leks may have quicker times to maturity, but still, it seems a little off. I'd say they are step-children despite the obvious attempt to make them seem like hybrids. Derek Whaley 06:04, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, regardless of what we'd like to say, none of it matters unless its from an official source, and all this speculation doesn't belong here. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 06:07, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- He met Suu after the Battle of Geonosis, so that can't be his kids. Although, the youngest one can be his child. —Jawaman No, I did NOT steal your droid! 11:54, January 2, 2009 (UTC)
- No, wait that can't be. They are four and five years old according to the episode guide. —Jawaman No, I did NOT steal your droid! 12:15, January 2, 2009 (UTC)
- Exactly. It is therefore impossible for them to be his biological children. Moon Demon 20:28, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- No, wait that can't be. They are four and five years old according to the episode guide. —Jawaman No, I did NOT steal your droid! 12:15, January 2, 2009 (UTC)
- He met Suu after the Battle of Geonosis, so that can't be his kids. Although, the youngest one can be his child. —Jawaman No, I did NOT steal your droid! 11:54, January 2, 2009 (UTC)
- Well, regardless of what we'd like to say, none of it matters unless its from an official source, and all this speculation doesn't belong here. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 06:07, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- It is as plain as day that the writers and animators clearly meant for the children to be Cut's biological offspring. If they were intended to be otherwise, the writers would have added the single line necessary to clear that up, and the animators wouldn't have gone to the trouble of making them look like hybrids. These are the facts. Everything else is conjecture. Necron2.0 07:00, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- Read the above comments. They are not, and cannot be, Cut's biological kids. Your "facts" are fanon, and do not belong on Wookieepedia. Grand Moff Tranner
(Comlink) 19:02, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- I did, and there is no controversy. The above comments are just that. What was presented in the episode is the gospel we need to address, and it's clear from the presentation that the writers and animators meant to present the children as Cut's biological offspring. That fact is inescapeable, as has likewise been mentioned above. As for "canon" ... well we all know how fluid that concept is for Star Wars. This wouldn't be the first bizarre cross-breeding the SW universe ever saw. Necron2.0 12:18, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- The official episode guide on starwars.com counts as a canon source and it states their ages and adoptive status explicitly. Even if it didn't, what the episode "implies" about the writers' and animators' "intentions" isn't relevant because this wiki does not engage in assumption, valid or otherwise. Moon Demon 19:26, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- No, not according to the Holocron. Episode guides are not canon in and of themselves. The TV shows are "T-canon" and take precedence over everything save the films themselves. The films do not say one way or the other what races can interbreed, while the TV show just spelled out quite emphatically that Twi'leks and humans can interbreed. (Note: The age of the children is irrelevant ... the offspring of clones would age at a comparable rate to the clones themselves.) So I'm sorry, but unless someone presents a more authoritative statement from a Lucas, a Chee or someone of equal clout, it's a done deal. Right now the burden of proof is on the nay-sayers. Necron2.0 15:25, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- The official episode guide on starwars.com counts as a canon source and it states their ages and adoptive status explicitly. Even if it didn't, what the episode "implies" about the writers' and animators' "intentions" isn't relevant because this wiki does not engage in assumption, valid or otherwise. Moon Demon 19:26, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- I did, and there is no controversy. The above comments are just that. What was presented in the episode is the gospel we need to address, and it's clear from the presentation that the writers and animators meant to present the children as Cut's biological offspring. That fact is inescapeable, as has likewise been mentioned above. As for "canon" ... well we all know how fluid that concept is for Star Wars. This wouldn't be the first bizarre cross-breeding the SW universe ever saw. Necron2.0 12:18, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- Read the above comments. They are not, and cannot be, Cut's biological kids. Your "facts" are fanon, and do not belong on Wookieepedia. Grand Moff Tranner
- While they do look like hybrids, the Battle of Geonosis couldn't have been more than a year and a half or so before the episode, and the clone clearly mentions that he met the Twi'lek after that battle, but the children must be a few years older than that since they are conversing intelligently with adults. Sure Twi'leks may have quicker times to maturity, but still, it seems a little off. I'd say they are step-children despite the obvious attempt to make them seem like hybrids. Derek Whaley 06:04, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- They looked pretty old to be his own children. Dr. Kermit(Complain.) 05:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Emphatically, you say? Where, pray tell, does Cut say "These are my biological children and they age fast just like me because I'm a clone"? For that matter, where does "a Lucas" or "a Chee" say that the offspring of a clone would age rapidly? Because I can tell you where it says they don't. Order 66: A Republic Commando Novel and Imperial Commando: 501st, both canon sources. And for Shaeeah and Jekk to have developed this much in less than a year, they'd have to mature much, much faster than the Kamino standard. Group consensus lies with the "nay-sayers" so the burden of proof in fact lies with you. Moon Demon 23:09, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- We all want to breed with Twi'leks, but the issue's been settled. They're adopted. Enochf 23:12, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- And now Filoni came out and stated it outright, so this won't be an issue in the future. http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1063990p3.html Dr. Kermit(Complain.) 23:58, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Uh, Filoni's statement there is far from clear. To me it sounded like he said 1) there was some behind the scenes debate, and 2) he personally thinks of them as adopted because it makes more sense. I agree with him, but it doesn't sound like a very authoritative answer. --216.45.228.131 07:22, May 29, 2010 (UTC)dudicle
- Exactly. Plus, if you research that episode on IMDB (see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558186/) Mr. Filoni was not even associated with that episode, so he is far from being the last word on the subject. Again, we're back to the official definition of what is or is not canon, and per the official definition of canon, those kids are Cut's biological children. Necron2.0 12:59, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Uh, Filoni's statement there is far from clear. To me it sounded like he said 1) there was some behind the scenes debate, and 2) he personally thinks of them as adopted because it makes more sense. I agree with him, but it doesn't sound like a very authoritative answer. --216.45.228.131 07:22, May 29, 2010 (UTC)dudicle
- And now Filoni came out and stated it outright, so this won't be an issue in the future. http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1063990p3.html Dr. Kermit(Complain.) 23:58, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
- We all want to breed with Twi'leks, but the issue's been settled. They're adopted. Enochf 23:12, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- If you look at the kids though, it's pretty obvious they're intended to be hybrids. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 04:23, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Except in Republic Commando: Order 66 it's stated that Twi'leks and humans can't interbreed, interestingly enough by Atin, a clone commando who also has a Twi'lek wife. He could have easily just formally adopted the children, which I believe would cross out the "step" part of his fatherhood.--Bella'Mia 04:15, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know if they were adopted or not, but the children's articles mention them as hybrids. If you disagree, try to make the three articles consistent to each other. Their talk pages mention the following: 1. The "Clone Wars character encyclopedia" (I don't know what it is) mentions the kids as hybrids. 2. "Ask Lobot" section of Star Wars Insider 115 explicitly says "Twi'lek's and humans can interbreed.". Since there can be no answer, I removed the definite "adopted" word from the text so that anyone can decide for himself if it should be "biological" or "adopted". MoffRebusMy Talk 21:12, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Enough. Please do not attempt to revive a discussion that ended months ago. Furthermore, you all need to look at the {{talkheader}} template listed on the top of the talk page. A talk page is only meant to discuss about the article, not the subject of the article in general. Wookieepedia is not a forum. Again, enough. JangFett (Talk) 13:57, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Clone Names
Cut Lawquane's article doesn't have one of those "nickname" tags that every other clone has. I'm not arguing that this article should have it, what I think is that it is a sign that no clone should have the nickname tag. Names like Rex, Cody and Cut are not nicknames. They are proper names that just happened to be acquired later in life. In The Deserter, Rex says it himself: "Rex, I also have a name." NAME, not NICKNAME. You can draw a paralel with Gands. No Gand receives a name at birth, they only acquire one after performing some deeds, and yet Ooryl Qrygg doesn't have a nickname tag on his article. Gry Sarth 18:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
- I think you are on to something there. --Tellanroaeg 20:08, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed Moon Demon 20:49, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
- No matter what else they are called, the clones' designations are still their official names—unless, like Lawquane, Ordo Skirata, and Spar, they rename themselves. Rex, Cody, Wolffe, and others still go by their numerical designation, while Lawquane and Spar do not. The distinction is still there. CC7567 (talk) 21:00, January 11, 2010 (UTC)