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Episode VII mention

Within the first few minutes of The Force Awakens, Lor San Tekka (Max Von Sydow's character) mentions balance of the Force. Can this be considered a reference to the prophecy? If so, should we add that it was mentioned? Primarch Dysley (talk) 06:17, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

  • Don't think that's enough to count. Besides, the prophecy was fulfilled by the time of Episode VII; Lor San Tekka was just generically referring to the dark side still being around. Cwedin(talk) 06:24, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Anakin actually brings balance to the force in episode 3, not episode 6. Leaving two jedi and two siths alone in the galaxy. Obviously there are other jedi in the expanded universe, but that is ultimately what I feel George Lucas was getting at.159.253.73.141 22:23, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

  • Star Wars defines balance as the destruction of the Sith. Lucas has said this many times. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:26, January 4, 2016 (UTC)
    • Yes, I added some more Lucas quotes (along with some more EU material) to the "Behind the scenes" section of the Legends part of this article to try to make this more clear--taken all together, the statements seem to suggest that there needed to be a balance between the dark side and the light, but that this should not be equated to a balance between Sith and Jedi, because the Sith had somehow caused the force to become unbalanced in favor of the dark side (something that non-Sith dark-side users presumably weren't doing, nor were the Jedi fundamentally causing the dark side to become weaker over time). Hypnosifl (talk) 21:07, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

The Issue of Twin Suns

It's been the average consensus for quite a few years now that Anakin fulfilled his role as the Chosen One when he killed Palpatine in ROTJ, but that hasn't stopped everyday watchers, and indeed Disney itself at times from insinuating that Luke is the Chosen One. Rebels episode Twin Suns created a major issue when the phrase "Chosen One" was to describe Luke by Obi-Wan. Up until this point, that terminology had never been used to describe anyone other than Anakin, but Disney made the decision to include it here. While it's always possible that it could just be written off as Obi-Wan not knowing about events to come, could the fact that such emphasis was placed on this scene at least beg further study? "Tell me... Is it the chosen one?" "He is." -Obi-Wan to Maul. 1adog1 (talk) 05:32, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

  • According to Rebels Recon, Obi-Wan Kenobi came to believe that Luke was the Chosen One because, at that point he thought Anakin Skywalker was lost forever. If you look at the Original Trilogy, he places all his hopes in Luke and dismisses the idea that Darth Vader can be redeemed. However, Luke sees things differently and tries to bring his father back to the light. Ultimately, Anakin is the Chosen One who fulfills the prophecy by destroying the Sith, namely himself and Darth Sidious. JRT2010 (talk) 05:39, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

"George Lucas' original plans"

Under the section "Behind the Scenes" there is a claim that Lucas revealed that "the creation of the prophecy of the Chosen One would have been revealed: the prophecy was purposely created by the Whills, as they were able to create certain destinies for people."

Nowhere in the reference, "James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction," is it said the Whills created the prophecy or have any direct connection to it. This is speculation based on what Lucas said about his concept of the Whills being in control. The line "the prophecy was purposely created by the Whills, as they were able to create certain destinies for people" is clearly modified from an article in The Independent that was the opinion of the article's author, not a quote from the book: "All that ‘chosen one’ malarkey was purposely created by the Whills – they created certain destinies for people." DarthHound1 (talk) 14:45, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

  • Feel free to correct it! --Lewisr (talk) 14:47, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Rey

Does Anakin saying: "Bring balance to the Force as I did" in TROS makes Rey the Chosen Two? --Goodmind (talk) 19:10, December 21, 2019 (UTC)

  • Wow man. I didn't think about that possibility. It has sense :) Let's see what Lucasfilm comments in the future. ---- X9 The Android (talk) 19:14, December 21, 2019 (UTC)
    • It's kinda sad possibility lol, undermines 1-6 more even more than they already did --Goodmind (talk) 19:22, December 21, 2019 (UTC)
      • Perhaps it doesn't undermine the 1-6 episodes at all. The fact that Anakin tells Rey to bring balance like he once did may suggest that Anakin did bring balance by killing Palpatine the first time, and the only thing Rey had to do was mantain that balance. So easy ;) ---- X9 The Android (talk) 21:28, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
        • That's super convenient cop-out, if he already did then what balance achieves in the galaxy? There's still dark-siders around. --Goodmind (talk) 15:55, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
          • The prophecy was only to destroy the Sith, not the dark side as a whole. He did kill Palpatine and bring balance, not his fault that someone then seemingly resurrected Palpatine --Lewisr (talk) 15:57, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
          • I feel like Palpatine returning ruins the whole prophecy. Their canon is that the moment Palpatine fell, he transferred his soul to a clone body. This means he never actually died. Thus, the Sequel Trilogy contradicts the rest of the canon once again. --UncleLad (talk) 10:48, September 7, 2020 (UTC)
            • This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question. JRT2010 (talk) 19:25, September 7, 2020 (UTC)

Wrong information.

In the summary at the begining it states that Darth Vader and Darth Sidious died, but Sidious was still alive after that, so, shouldn't we change it?—Unsigned comment by LegnÁ 789 (talk • contribs)

  • It's not wrong. Sidious died, which is correct. Also, please sign all your comments with four tildes (~~~~) through the source editor. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 09:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • But even then he got instantly resurrected and build a new sith empire, how is that restoring the balance or destroying the sith?—Unsigned comment by LegnÁ 789 (talk • contribs)
  • Balance of the Force and the galaxy was restored by the elimination of the Sith in the galaxy. Did Sidious die? Yes, he did. Ergo, balance was restored. Even though Sidious returned from death and eventually returned to the wider galaxy, balance was maintained until then as Luke said in The Last Jedi. "And for many years, there was balance…until that night" or something like that. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 12:46, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The novel said that sidous was resurrected shortly after his death so he and his sith acolytes were alive that whole time and in the end it was basically a ruse, the balance is either non-existing, inconsistent or meaningless by the logic of the history—Unsigned comment by LegnÁ 789 (talk • contribs)
  • The simple fact that the Emperor died means balance was restored. While the Sith did remain on Exegol, they didn't continue oppressing life across the galaxy. Balance was maintained until Ben Solo fell to the dark side, since that point marked the failure of Luke's attempts to rebuild and the rise of the First Order, which began to oppress life in the wider galaxy. - - -OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 14:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • In addition to what Luke said in Episode VIII, there are other sources confirming that Anakin did indeed bring balance, at least for a time. One such source would be Episode IX itself, where Anakin's spirit tells Rey to "bring back the balance" as Anakin did. Another source would be the Databank, in particular Luke Skywalker's image gallery which states that Anakin fulfilled his destiny by bringing balance to the Force. JRT2010 (talk) 15:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • He died and got resurrected a day later, even if you consider that balance is not a balance worth pointing out since it got unbalanced 1 day later.Maybe the balance obtained 30 years later last longer, but this one is like it doesn't exist why do we even mention it? Not to mention the page's summary doesn't even mention that Palpatine is resurrected, that's kind of a big deal if he is what determines whether there is balance or not.—Unsigned comment by LegnÁ 789 (talk • contribs)
  • Please remember to use four tildes (~~~~) to sign your comments. Official materials are what determines if there was indeed balance, not our personal interpretations. We're all free to disagree with the story logic and discuss it in forums, but for article purposes, we document what the sources say. They don't say it was never balanced or got unbalanced a day later; they say that Anakin indeed brought balance to the Force. It would be incorrect to change the in-universe sections of the article to reflect speculation about what "balance" means. The Legacy section of the article does discuss the later change in the balance with Ben's turn and how balance needed to be restored by Rey as Anakin previously did, as well as Sidious's resurrection, so that isn't missing from the article. The summary is focused on the article's topic: the Chosen One. Immora (talk) 09:04, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Ok, another reason to dislike the sequels, I guess.—Unsigned comment by LegnÁ 789 (talk • contribs)