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Quote in the personality section

Hi, just a quick question; where is the quote in Anakin's personality section from? The one Obi-Wan says, about loyalty? I've never read it before and I like it, so I was hoping someone could tell me where it came from. Thanks! - (Indy Gold; not registered) 68.251.252.136 05:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Apparently the Episode III novelization. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 13:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, page 229—230 in the paperback version, last paragraph on 229 and paragraph 6 on page 230. I don't know the page numbers of the hardback version. -Solus 14:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks, both of you. :) I've been intending to pick up that book soon anyway, so hurray! - (Indy Gold) 68.251.145.217 15:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Main Quote

I am new to wookieepedia and not bold enough to change the main quote for possibly the most important page on the site. But I was reading the novelization of episode III and believe this quote is more appropriate than Qui-Gon's. "Saving people is what he was born for. To take that away from him would cripple every good thing in his troubled heart." -Padme Amadala Rather Dashing 00:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC) —Unsigned comment by Rather Dashing (talk • contribs)

  • I don't know about main quote, but that is a good one. Perhaps there's another place for it in the article? -- Ozzel 23:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Anakin's bedroom ceiling

This is a bad picture...but is it worth including this info? There are Darth Maul like sith patterns painted on his ceiling. I've seen better pictures so I can look for it if anyone wants this in. You can see a little bit of it here. Perhaps for the BTS section?--DannyBoy7783 00:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Could you point those Maul-like Sith patterns out for us? I didn't see any. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
    • As I said, it's very hard to see in that particular picture but you'll notice along the top of the image (the room's ceiling) that there is an orange/red coloring to the ceiling and there is a pattern in it. It's hard to see there but you'll have to take my word for it that it's like Maul's tats. I'll try and get a better picture at some point if I can. Until then it's not really very useful to upload that picture. --DannyBoy7783 01:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I see it...sure it's not just the lighting? .... 05:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
        • It looks similar to the patterns on the ceiling of the Lars dining room, seen in AotC and ANH - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 21:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Oooo, I've got goosebumps! Could this be a hint that young Anakin was being watched over by Palpy all the time?! I love stuff like this!!8)Tocneppil 23:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
      • It's hard to see in this image, but it's there.--Valin Kenobi 03:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

highest midichlorian??what a ....!!!!

From what I know Yoda stated that he had the most potential than any that he(Yoda) saw!But what about Revan,it is known that he also was the strongest user of the force,and actually Traya called him ,,The Heart of the Force,,!And Jedi Masters sad that his potential was unlimited! —Unsigned comment by 83.167.112.232 (talk • contribs)

  • We don't know Revan's midi-chlorian count. Obi-Wan states, as a fact, that Anakin's is off the chart at over 20,000, and is thus higher than Yoda's. Since we don't have a figure for Revan, we have to assume that Anakin has the highest count - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 14:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

???anon has been to SuperIdiot's website???What???

He's not been using SS's website. If he had been, he'd know Revan only had a midi-chlorian count of 10,800. Tsch, honestly... lol. SillyShadow references aside, one assumes that Revan's count was within the standard Jedi chart, since if it went higher... well, in four thousand years you'd have thought that the chart would have been changed to accomodate this. Of course, that's assuming that midi-chlorians had even been discovered in the KotOR era, which when last I checked was far from certain.
I think the safe money is on Revan having a lower count than Anakin, of course, who knows, maybe Revan was a flow walking Jacen Solo... ;-)(Ulicus 14:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC))
  • That last line gave me a bad feeling... What if Jacen flow-walks back to the KotOR age and becomes Revan? ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Oooh, conjecture. Then again that would clear up so many arguments about Revan... no more complaints from female Revans. -Solus (Bird of Prey) 18:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Well, I said that only because so many people are saying Darth Krayt is Jacen. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 19:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
        • I know it, but it was a funny idea. ;) -Solus (Bird of Prey) 20:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
          • Hopefully no one at LucasFilm got any ideas based off that... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 22:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
            • Comparing Anakin's power with Revan's is like comparing Palpatine with Dooku. Anakin was the Chosen One, and according to Lucas himself, had twice the potential of Sidious, the (per New Essential Chronology) most powerful Sith Lord of all time. Admittedly, Revan is quite powerful (you'd have to be to stop three threats to the Galaxy in one lifetime!), but he ain't no Chosen One. Lord Patrick 03:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well also, considering the time it is possible that Revan had the highest medi-chlorian count for the KoToR era, seeing as how people like Yoda, Sidious, and the Midi-chlorian manipulation had yet to be discovered. But thats just my speculation -Darth Scath

some things

1. Should the Main Image be changed to one of Sabastyn(sp) Shaw in ROTJ seeing as it is most recent?

2. Should Wookieequote and Galleries for Anakin and Vader be merged? Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 11:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

  • what do you mean more "recent"? didn't lucas erase him from canon?
    • 1. No. We use the best and most appropriate image in the infobox, not the most recent. And, as said above, Shaw is no longer canon. I agree with your second point, however, since they should reflect the nature of the merged article - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 11:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I agree with Kwenn. Where is the interest in putting as Main Image some non-canon, bad quality photo where there is TWO characters and not one, when we have a large good quality one where only Anakin is shown, his face plainly visible, and lightsabre in hand? The change was not a GOOD thing, as far as I was concerned, and I was happy it was reversed. Keep the main photo as it is. As for merging the galleries, I agree with the merging. Paercebal 11:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Actualy Shaw is still Canon just not as a ghost. when Luke Takes off the Helmet remember? Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 14:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Good now all that'sneeded is the Wookieequote articals. and i have a comment about useing Bad Quality Images as the Main Image because they are most recent but i'll get banned for it Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 14:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Like I said i have a comment i could make about Horrible Main Images but Jaymech said he'd ban me for life if i said anything about it again Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 15:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Where did he say that? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 15:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • IRC i'ma llso banned from IRC for mentioning it in there Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 15:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Knock y oursellf o ut dude. and while your at it could you ask him to let6 me back in to IRC? Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 15:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I did write, and still believe the image is inadequate, and of bad quality, and NOT because of the presence of Shaw. It's because:
    • it is dark
    • it has low contrast
    • it shows TWO characters, the larger one seen from his back (Luke), and the smaller one being Anakin
    • it show Shaw BEFORE G. Lucas decided his face was not horrible enough (remember that Lucas removed Shaw's eyebrows and added scars as continuity with Episode III)
    • it is very small in the page, while the "young anakin" image's, thanks to its height, seems very very much larger.

These are very real criteria, not a matter of taste. I'm interested, too, in knowing more about your comment about bad quality images... Paercebal 19:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

force ghost

when a force user becomes a ghost do they chose what age they look like or somthing? because when Anakin died he was around 45 years of age and when he became a ghost he looked the same as he did in RotS. also when luke became a ghost he looked the same as he did in RotJ, but when obi-wan and yoda became a ghost they still looked old. 

[[:File:Luke ghost.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Luke Skywalker having become one with the Force.]]
  • The reason Anakin looks younger is because that was the last time he was truely "on the lightside". After he was seduced, Anakin Skywalker ceased to exist. So when he was finally redeemed, his Force ghost was a representation of him when he was in the fullness of the lightside. Jasca Ducato Sith Council Sith Campaign 18:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Possibly, although Luke's appearance seems to imply there's more to it than that. I like to think of it as something similar to the "residual self-image" idea from The Matrix; basically, it's how you see yourself, projected into a context where your appearance can be changed (the Force in this case; the digital world of the Matrix). Some, such as Anakin and Luke, may feel more comfortable with a younger appearance (especially in Anakin's case) whereas Obi-Wan and Yoda accept their appearances at time of death. That's only my interpretation, though it is known at least that a Force ghost does not have to reflect the person's last or "current" appearance - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 18:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

OR it could be that Lucas is compulsively addicted to going back and ruining his GOOD movies. So he Photoshopped in Hayden Christensen where Sebastian Shaw used to be.

  • Listen, movie purist, GL does what GL wants to do. And what GL does is canon. Period. Jorrel Fraajic Wiki-shrinkable 20:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Anon, keep that up, and you'll likely be banned. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
    • And if you don't like canon, anon, don't stay here. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 20:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
      • It would be way more logical to retain the old picture if the explanation is that it shows him when he was good. That phantom looks to be from around Ep III, when Anakin was already well on the way to becoming evil. It now looks, at least to me, as if he hasn't learned anything from his long years of darkness and is ready to walk down the same path again. The last time he was good was when (and right before) Luke unmasked him, and the old version also shows that he has been redeemed in a much better way. But this is just me ranting. As you said, Nebulax, GL owns the franchise, so he can do whatever he wants, regardless of logic and credibility. Evir Daal 10:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
        • We're not a forum. Enough with the opinions on this already. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 11:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
          • I kneel and repent. Evir Daal 14:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
        • I could care less that you're "not a forum". This is a wiki DISCUSSION page, and I'm discussing. Nebulaux, why is it ok for you to dismiss my opinion, but not ok for me to dispute yours? "Movie Purists" are just as legitimate Star Wars fans as you are, and that viewpoint has just as much right to be repesented as yours. Especially since you contribute nothing to the discussion besides parroting the pronouncements of Mad King George. I know this isn't the place for "Lucas Bashing", but it's surely not a place for Lucas apologists ("Lucas Gushers") to preen unopposed. -"Prophet"
          • Except that the discussion page is about Anakin Skywalker, not about how George may or or may not have screwed up Star Wars. And, since "Lucas Gushers" are closer to canon than "Lucas Bashers", their word is usually correct. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 20:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
            • Bull. When you say that "their word is usually correct", you assume that ANYONE can be "correct" about an intertpretation of a fictional work. Since the events in question never actually happened, nobody is free to claim that their version of events is any "truer" than the other (since niether are actually "true"). Even the author of the work has no more control over the truth and falsehood of the work's metaphysical "existence" after he or she releases it into the wild (i.e. publishing or otherwise distributing the work to the masses). Thus, even Lucas himself has no more of a correct opinion than I do. If I construct a blue lightsaber, but I say it's green and you say it's red it's still REALLY blue. Get it? -"Prophet"
  • Please calm down. This is an article about a fictional character. Keep that in mind. No one is making such a claim that is tantamount to declaring falsehoods, so please don't make that comparison. Cull Tremayne 23:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The above that states that Anakin was truly on the light before he was unmasked has a problem with that statement, if this is true wouldn't Sebastian Shaw have been bald with scar marks on his head as Vader was when he was unmasked? -Darth Scath

Recent archiving.

Anyone else having a problem with it? Every time I click on one of them, nothing happens. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 12:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Quote

I'm not too happy with the current quote, to be honest. It's a little bit vague and short, really. Personally, I prefer this one: You were the chosen one! It was said you would bring balance to the force, blah blah blah. That one sums up what he did a bit more. (If there was a vote previously on this quote or something, then sorry, but I can't be bothered to look through masses of archived talk). Unit 8311 15:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Vader

Vader is kind of sad. Listen to this he killed milloins, fought Obi, just for the one he loved to die that is so stupid. —Unsigned comment by Suncec (talk • contribs)

Nazi

If you think about Vader is a nazi. He killed a large group of people and for what? The girl he loved, died he wastined his time. He even has blond hair and blue eyes. He is hitlers prize stundent. The eprop is hitler. —Unsigned comment by Suncec (talk • contribs)

  • "He even has blond hair and blue eyes". So do I. Am I a Nazi? I don't think this kind of comparison is really suitable. Yes, there are parallels, but Vader himself isn't a Nazi, and Palpatine isn't Hitler - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 22:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Unless Lucas specifically says he modeled Vader off of Nazis, he wasn't. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Lucas doesn't say alot about modeling characters after another characters that we seem to notice and put in BTS sections anyway. While being blonde/blue eyes is a stretch, I can see the Nazi connection. After all, the entire Empire was based off the Nazis...--Redemption20pxTalk 02:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
        • Still, not enough to put that in the article. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 02:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
          • I'm not saying to put it in. I'm saying that denying there is a Nazi connection just because the "great lord" hasn't said so is pure ignorance. --Redemption20pxTalk 02:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
            • I don't see any reason why we shouldn't deny it. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 02:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
              • Because it would be ignorant. We have tons of places where we notice a reference yet the creator did not say otherwise. Lucas not saying it doesn't make it any different. --Redemption20pxTalk 02:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                • And I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with Lucas just thinking that they were good actors. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 02:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                  • That just went completely over my head. What do the actors have to do with anything? --Redemption20pxTalk 02:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                    • The actors were the ones who supplied Anakin's blond hair and blue eyes. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 02:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                      • Oh. Like I said, the blond hair and blue eyes is a stretch. I'm saying personality wise. --Redemption20pxTalk 02:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                        • Oh, I understand now. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 02:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                          • But then, that's just based on a wholesale view of Nazi's provided by Hollywood. .... 22:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                            • I've honestly only seen two movies that had Nazis in it. Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade. Any other facts I know about the Nazi regime is all from sitting in a classroom. Hollywood has nothing to do with the connection. --Redemption20pxTalk 22:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • It's a sterotype, that's all. I'm not saying don't put it in there, I'm just saying it's unfair to tar all Nazis with the same brush. .... 23:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Great. We have to be PC to Nazis...whats next? The Ku Klux Klan? --Redemption20pxTalk 01:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Let's face it—basically all Nazis were the same. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 01:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
        • Uh, I do want to seem pro-Nazi or anything (I'm 100% against it) but Hitler was a brunette. Just my two cents. -Solus (Bird of Prey) 01:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
          • Let's face it—basically all Nazis were the same. Oh, yeah, ignorance is bliss, aint it Jack? .... 09:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
            • Yes, clearly Hitler, Goering, Rommel, and Skorzeny are identical and interchangeable. jSarek 10:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
              • You and I both know what he meant. Jasca Ducato Sith Council Sith Campaign 10:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
                • All Nazis were politically the same, then. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 12:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
                  • Uh, no. The Nazi party and state was, in fact, a makeshift construction trying to unite a collection of different branches of the Nazi ideology. Broadly speaking, there was a "right" wing and a "left" wing within the party, with the latter advocating redistribution of land, nationalisation of the big companies, etc, communist-style. The most radical "left-wing" nazis were removed in the infamous "Night of the Long Knives". But we're getting off topic. Anyway, is this discussion relevant at all? Vader wasn't (to my knowledge) a racist, sexist or any such thing connected to nazism. He was authoritarian, yes, but so are a lot of people who aren't nazis. The Emperor is pretty similar to Hitler, though, but that's another story... Evir Daal 12:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Working with the ISB?

Now, according to Wullf Yularen (the article, not the man. Though I'm sure he's quite a pleasant fellow), Yularen was waiting for Tarkin to turn traitor, and possibly turn the Death Star against Imperial Centre. Now, I can't remember where I heard this, but wasn't Vader there for the exact same reason? The question is, was Vader operating alone, directly through the Emperor, or was he working with the ISB? .... 22:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Perhaps Palpatine and the ISB had their own, yet same, suspicions. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 01:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Yeah, that's what I assumed. Just thought it was an interesting point. .... 09:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Dark blond vs. brown

Any chance we can settle this? Recently, there have been people (maybe one person; I'm not sure) adding "/brown" next to every "dark blond" reference for Anakin's hair color. I assume dark blond has been sourced, but could we still get a quote? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 17:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)