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Recently, Kowakian 1 was banned by Kuralyov. According to Ugluk's talk page, Kuralyov banned the former vandal only because he had previously been a vandal. Kowakian's recent contributions show no vandalism, and I ask that a)Kowakian be un-banned and b)Kuralyov be dealt with for this abuse of his powers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 
01:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- While I do agree with Jack about this ban being wrong, I think it was probably just a mistake on Kuralyov's part. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 01:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- A mistake? Kuralyov banned Kowakian for no good reason. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
01:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I don't buy it. Give the guy a chance to make a brand new name and see how it goes. I find it hard to believe that he would honestly attempt to cotribute something of value with a name that is extremley well known for vandalism. If I were him, I would have created a new one and try to create as much difference from the vandaliser-me and the contributer-me. --RedemptionTalk
01:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, he's no longer a vandal. Therefore, he should be un-banned and Kuralyov dealt with for clearly abusing his powers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
01:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- If you were a vandal and wanted to actually contribute something, would you want to use the name that you also used to vandalize? --RedemptionTalk 01:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- That is beside the point, Redemption. This isn't about his choice of user names. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes it is. If the guy was being serious about reforming, then he'd ask for a new account. Start off fresh and new. --RedemptionTalk 01:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Redemption, enough. Kowakian 1 was banned for no good reason by Kuralyov. Please stop trying to change the subject. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm raising a point to you on why he should not be unbanned. This has everything to do with the subject. You're just avoiding what I'm trying to prove. --RedemptionTalk 01:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Redemption, why are you supporting Kuralyov on this? Kowakian 1 created this account to escape his vandalism days under the Crumb user names! He has not done anything bad for a long time! Now he has been banned for no good reason by Kuralyov! This is completely unfair to him! Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- While I will not blatantly accuse him of still being vandal, I remain very suspicious and distrustful of him.--Darth OblivionComlink 01:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- You can have your opinions, but he should be un-banned and Kuralyov dealt with for an abuse of his powers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, Kowakian 1 has not vandalized with that account, and therefore should be unbanned. Perhaps Kuralyov suspected that Kowakian 1 is a sockpuppet of the recent Kowakian/Crumb vandals, and that's why he banned him? --Azizlight 01:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why is this happening now? wouldn't he have banned him 'a Long time ago" as Jack says. This isn't crap, it's bullshit. Kuralyov obviously either wants attention or something for doing this. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) 01:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why is this happening now? wouldn't he have banned him 'a Long time ago" as Jack says. This isn't crap, it's bullshit. Kuralyov obviously either wants attention or something for doing this. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit)
- Look up User: Kowakian. Guy vandalised your page and StarNeptunes in April. Kowakian, Salcious and Crumb names are all under the sock-puppet suspects. And when I say new accounts, I mean BRAND new. Nothing at all connected to Kowakian, Salacious or Crumb. Hell, I'd be okay with "monkey-lizard". And I'm as to curious why you seem hell-bent on getting Kuralyov punished. Kowakian is a suspected sock-puppet name as would Crumb be. I'd do the same in his position. Want a name, then don't use one that'd be on the sock-puppet page. --RedemptionTalk 01:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Redemption, Kowakian 1 has not vandalized any article. Kowakian 1 was created when the original Crumb vandal turned over a new leaf. Now, once again, I ask that Kowakian 1 be un-banned and Kuralyov punsihed for abusing his powers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 02:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- "Turned over a new leaf." We shall see.--Darth OblivionComlink 02:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- "Turned over a new leaf." We shall see.--Darth OblivionComlink
- Redemption, Kowakian 1 has not vandalized any article. Kowakian 1 was created when the original Crumb vandal turned over a new leaf. Now, once again, I ask that Kowakian 1 be un-banned and Kuralyov punsihed for abusing his powers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- As far as I can tell, Kowakian 1 has not vandalized with that account, and therefore should be unbanned. Perhaps Kuralyov suspected that Kowakian 1 is a sockpuppet of the recent Kowakian/Crumb vandals, and that's why he banned him? --Azizlight 01:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- You can have your opinions, but he should be un-banned and Kuralyov dealt with for an abuse of his powers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- While I will not blatantly accuse him of still being vandal, I remain very suspicious and distrustful of him.--Darth OblivionComlink
- Redemption, why are you supporting Kuralyov on this? Kowakian 1 created this account to escape his vandalism days under the Crumb user names! He has not done anything bad for a long time! Now he has been banned for no good reason by Kuralyov! This is completely unfair to him! Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- I'm raising a point to you on why he should not be unbanned. This has everything to do with the subject. You're just avoiding what I'm trying to prove. --RedemptionTalk
- Redemption, enough. Kowakian 1 was banned for no good reason by Kuralyov. Please stop trying to change the subject. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Yes it is. If the guy was being serious about reforming, then he'd ask for a new account. Start off fresh and new. --RedemptionTalk
- That is beside the point, Redemption. This isn't about his choice of user names. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- If you were a vandal and wanted to actually contribute something, would you want to use the name that you also used to vandalize? --RedemptionTalk
- Well, he's no longer a vandal. Therefore, he should be un-banned and Kuralyov dealt with for clearly abusing his powers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- I don't buy it. Give the guy a chance to make a brand new name and see how it goes. I find it hard to believe that he would honestly attempt to cotribute something of value with a name that is extremley well known for vandalism. If I were him, I would have created a new one and try to create as much difference from the vandaliser-me and the contributer-me. --RedemptionTalk
- A mistake? Kuralyov banned Kowakian for no good reason. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Would that be why Dann was banned permanently and without warning for a single fanon edit to Darth Bane? As for Kowakian 1, I'm more dubious of him than I used to be, but he has not only not vandalized for months, he was away for most of the summer, so I'm inclined to assume he has nothing to do with our recent vandals (who seem to have gone on from Salacious Crumb to the Jedi Exile anyway.) —Silly Dan (talk) 02:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Az it was probably an accident. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 02:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe, but he should have checked Kowakian 1's contributions first. Now, please un-ban him. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 02:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- And Darth Oblivion, how much longer should we wait to see if he turned over a new leaf? Another year? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 02:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- If it was entended,He took the time to make the template reason, it still doesn't answer why he waited this long. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) 02:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Let's get Kuralyov over here. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 02:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Good Idea. What would happen if found guilty? -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) 02:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Good Idea. What would happen if found guilty? -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit)
- Let's get Kuralyov over here. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- And Darth Oblivion, how much longer should we wait to see if he turned over a new leaf? Another year? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- But Kowakian (without the 1) has vandalised. Seems like another sock puppet name. And I seriously don't buy this "turned over a new leaf" crap. If some guy in a prison said "Oh, I've turned over a new leaf", you think they are going to just let him out? Don't think so. It takes months of good behavior for that and so far, with his reputation, I don't think he can be trusted as of yet. Plus, it doesn't help that he REMOVED the template from his userpage. Anyone with common sense knows you don't remove unless the charges have been cleared and someone with actually banning powers should remove it. And right now, it's apparant to me that perhaps your intentions of this should be investigated. Especially with your hopes of becoming an admin. Mudslinging at a current admin would put you in a pretty nice spot if he was punished wouldn't it? <--Conspiracy theory. =P And I'd still like to raise the point that anyone would want to create a new account, that wouldn't be suspected of sockpuppetry, to actually contribute something. --RedemptionTalk 02:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Wow a former vandal wants to be unblocked. He's going with "I changed my ways" excuse isn't he? Very interesting ...... -- Jaina Solo(Goddess Stuff) 02:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe, but he should have checked Kowakian 1's contributions first. Now, please un-ban him. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- I agree with Az it was probably an accident. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 02:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Once a vandal, always a vandal. If he wanted to be to taken seriously, he should either have decided not to vandalize so many pages in the past or get a new name, as was decided when Pepsilon (another 'reformed' vandal for you) wanted to be let back. I'm going by precedent established by Silly Dan, what are you goin on Jack? Dann was banned because he vandalized the Bane page during a wave of vandalism. You want to know why these people get banned? Because whenever a wave of vandals strike, it's always me who has to clean it up. Today there were several waves of move vandals and other than a few reverts by SFH, I was the only one dealing with it. And this is when I had hoped to spend time adding more stuff to the wiki, but instead spent over an hour dealing with vandalism. And what do you do? When good contibutors decide to run for admin, they get turned down by votes from our otherwise-nonpresent bureaucrats. When I propose ways to limit vandalism, I get shouted down and outvoted in the name of equality. So where is the equality of helping me deal with vandalism? If you're crying over the fact that I'm overzealous in protecting this wiki, which I remind everyone I am the number one contributor to, then maybe you could all do something to help next time there's a big vandal wave. And Jack, you're not fooling anyone. You're frustrated that you got voted down and that people still don't like you for jumping down noobs. Real classy of you. Kuralyov 02:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- wow. You did do all of that. great job, though I still don't buy it. It gave you no reason to ban him. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) 02:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- begun the edit war has. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 02:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- He had plenty of reason to ban him: suspected sock puppetry. The name was there so he didn't have much of a choice. --RedemptionTalk 02:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- He had plenty of reason to ban him: suspected sock puppetry. The name was there so he didn't have much of a choice. --RedemptionTalk
- begun the edit war has. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 02:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- wow. You did do all of that. great job, though I still don't buy it. It gave you no reason to ban him. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit)
- FWIW, Adamwankenobi is actually a reformed vandal. --Azizlight 02:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Somehow, I doubt that. And even if was, he isn't/wasn't as notorious as Crumb. --RedemptionTalk 02:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Adam used to be a vandal. He was the Darth Incest vandal on the Fanon wiki. Bub 02:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Somehow, I doubt that. And even if was, he isn't/wasn't as notorious as Crumb. --RedemptionTalk
- can we please end this before we piss off the two biggest contributors to the wiki?? also i dont appreciate this washing over onto my talk page. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 02:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- You certainly don't need any more self-aggrandizing users filling up your talk page.--Darth OblivionComlink 02:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly its my page i should be the only one! Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 02:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- You certainly don't need any more self-aggrandizing users filling up your talk page.--Darth OblivionComlink
- Back to Kowakian 1, I reviewed his last fifteen edits, and found nothing vandalous about them. In my opinion, I feel the permaban was unjustified. -- SFH 02:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I say unban him. But I don't think any action against Kuralyov is required in this case. --Azizlight 03:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- If it were entirely up to me, I'd unban him, but advise him to pick an entirely new username to avoid further confusion. As for the premptive banning I've done in the past: I have done this in cases of clear sockpuppetry, or in cases where other users appeared to be trying to impersonate a previously blocked user, but have remained open to unblocking the original username if convinced there won't be further vandalism. In the case of the many Crumb/Kowakians, I've been under the impression that there were two original users: the repentant fanon-writing kid currently using Kowakian 1, and the serial vandal responsible for hundreds of Crumb usernames. Dann doesn't seem to have any connection with either of them, so I suggest unblocking him as well. —Silly Dan (talk) 03:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Oh. Well, I just unblocked him. -- SFH 03:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- And I've unblocked Dann, with an accompanying fanon warning. —Silly Dan (talk) 03:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Then let us put this behind us and move on.--Darth OblivionComlink 04:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'd like to say a few last things here: First of all, Kowakian 1 made his account to escape his vandalism days, which he was sorry for. Kuralyov should have known this before banning him. Going by those standards, Adamwankenobi, a good contributor, would have been banned for a long time. That would have been incredibly unfair. Second of all, Kuralyov has been complained about in the past for his behavior (see User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov). Also, I'm worried about his statements above: First of all, "which I remind everyone I am the number one contributor to", "to" referring to Wookieepedia. It appears that he's using his status as number one edit to justify everything he does. And then, this: "You want to know why these people get banned? Because whenever a wave of vandals strike, it's always me who has to clean it up". Well, there's a solution to that, and it's called getting more administrators so you don't always have to do it, which is not the case, might I add. And finally, this: "And Jack, you're not fooling anyone. You're frustrated that you got voted down and that people still don't like you for jumping down noobs. Real classy of you". I've considered leaving Wookieepedia before, and I'm really close to actually doing it now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 11:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Then why don't you? It'll only be considered a flounce to get attention. Get real. This is the Internet. You can't just "leave" because we are all "horrible, mean and cruel". You want to go "As God as my witness, I'm never returning here again!" then go right ahead. But...like all flouncers you will be back. So I suggest you cool it before you say anything else stupid. You got what you want right? Oh yeah. Kuralyov wasn't "punished". Deal with it. --RedemptionTalk 15:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Redemption, how can you stick up for Kuraylov after all he's done? You're being a real asshole lately. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why does it matter if I do or don't? I personally wouldn't trust Kowakian 1 with that account. That's why. I don't care what Kuraylov. This is the first I've heard about it so it clearly has no effect on me. And if being an asshole means being realistic about you "leaving" Wookiepedia, then so be it. --RedemptionTalk 15:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Jack lets not use personal attacks, you liked Redemption just fine when he was on your side with your little war with me. please end this: it has been handled. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 15:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Kowakian 1 created that account when he stopped vandalizing and to escape his vandalism days. Look at his contributions, Redemption. No vandalism. And if you were the subject of countless vandalism and personal attacks, wouldn't you consider leaving for good? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- And Ugluk, I'm merely defending myself from Kuralyov and Redemption. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- And Ugluk, I'm merely defending myself from Kuralyov and Redemption. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Kowakian 1 created that account when he stopped vandalizing and to escape his vandalism days. Look at his contributions, Redemption. No vandalism. And if you were the subject of countless vandalism and personal attacks, wouldn't you consider leaving for good? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Jack lets not use personal attacks, you liked Redemption just fine when he was on your side with your little war with me. please end this: it has been handled. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 15:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why does it matter if I do or don't? I personally wouldn't trust Kowakian 1 with that account. That's why. I don't care what Kuraylov. This is the first I've heard about it so it clearly has no effect on me. And if being an asshole means being realistic about you "leaving" Wookiepedia, then so be it. --RedemptionTalk
- Redemption, how can you stick up for Kuraylov after all he's done? You're being a real asshole lately. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Then why don't you? It'll only be considered a flounce to get attention. Get real. This is the Internet. You can't just "leave" because we are all "horrible, mean and cruel". You want to go "As God as my witness, I'm never returning here again!" then go right ahead. But...like all flouncers you will be back. So I suggest you cool it before you say anything else stupid. You got what you want right? Oh yeah. Kuralyov wasn't "punished". Deal with it. --RedemptionTalk
- I'd like to say a few last things here: First of all, Kowakian 1 made his account to escape his vandalism days, which he was sorry for. Kuralyov should have known this before banning him. Going by those standards, Adamwankenobi, a good contributor, would have been banned for a long time. That would have been incredibly unfair. Second of all, Kuralyov has been complained about in the past for his behavior (see User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov). Also, I'm worried about his statements above: First of all, "which I remind everyone I am the number one contributor to", "to" referring to Wookieepedia. It appears that he's using his status as number one edit to justify everything he does. And then, this: "You want to know why these people get banned? Because whenever a wave of vandals strike, it's always me who has to clean it up". Well, there's a solution to that, and it's called getting more administrators so you don't always have to do it, which is not the case, might I add. And finally, this: "And Jack, you're not fooling anyone. You're frustrated that you got voted down and that people still don't like you for jumping down noobs. Real classy of you". I've considered leaving Wookieepedia before, and I'm really close to actually doing it now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Then let us put this behind us and move on.--Darth OblivionComlink
- And I've unblocked Dann, with an accompanying fanon warning. —Silly Dan (talk) 03:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- the thing is you really dont need to: redemption tells it like it is and kyuralov did what he thought he had to do just let it go. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 15:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, Ugluk. Kuralyov has done many inappropriate things in the past, and now Redemption is being very rude to me. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- and i thought my 11 year old brother was immature ... Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 15:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ugluk, stay out of this if you think I'm being immature. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Kowakian 1 is far too connected with the original Kowakian. Seems like a sockpuppet name to vandalize. Ban the name but not the IP I say and let him create an accoutn that wouldn't be suspected of Sock Puppetry. Commen sense people...And no I wouldn't consider "leaving". It's like leaving a message board: you can't just leave. It's the internet not some workplace. And I really wouldn't care if I were the subject of countless vandalsim and personal attacks. And you are being immature about this. Get over it. --RedemptionTalk 15:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- The thusandth time you've said that. This is only happening because of a banned former vandel. Everyone is a little edgie right now and are letting off steam. Just because there rude to you now, doesn't mean there rude to you all the time. Sto pthis now before someone gets hurt. Like above. It's just ONE little ban and can be delt with , but your poking nasty comments at each other when it isn't needed. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) 15:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Redemption, now who's being the immature one about it. Saying "Get over it" doesn't mean you're any greater than I am. And while Kowakian 1 may be a sock puppet, he's not using it to vandalize. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not saying I'm greater then you. I think your contributions speak for themselves. Though your attitude here says otherwise. And how do we know that he isn't going to use it to vandalise in the future? He's known for it. And why would he create an account so connected to his old ways to contribute? --RedemptionTalk 16:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I know I'm being an asshole, too. Let's just discuss this like the friends we used to be. Anyway, I just know he won't vandalize in the future. And since he vandalized my page, you would expect I would be waiting for him to do so. But he didn't. I trust him. And anyway, as to his user name, he like Kowakian monkey-lizards. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 16:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!. now lets all Shut up. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) 16:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. One last thing: I suggested to Kowakian 1 about getting a new user name. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 16:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. One last thing: I suggested to Kowakian 1 about getting a new user name. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- I know I'm being an asshole, too. Let's just discuss this like the friends we used to be. Anyway, I just know he won't vandalize in the future. And since he vandalized my page, you would expect I would be waiting for him to do so. But he didn't. I trust him. And anyway, as to his user name, he like Kowakian monkey-lizards. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- I'm not saying I'm greater then you. I think your contributions speak for themselves. Though your attitude here says otherwise. And how do we know that he isn't going to use it to vandalise in the future? He's known for it. And why would he create an account so connected to his old ways to contribute? --RedemptionTalk
- Redemption, now who's being the immature one about it. Saying "Get over it" doesn't mean you're any greater than I am. And while Kowakian 1 may be a sock puppet, he's not using it to vandalize. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- The thusandth time you've said that. This is only happening because of a banned former vandel. Everyone is a little edgie right now and are letting off steam. Just because there rude to you now, doesn't mean there rude to you all the time. Sto pthis now before someone gets hurt. Like above. It's just ONE little ban and can be delt with , but your poking nasty comments at each other when it isn't needed. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit)
- Kowakian 1 is far too connected with the original Kowakian. Seems like a sockpuppet name to vandalize. Ban the name but not the IP I say and let him create an accoutn that wouldn't be suspected of Sock Puppetry. Commen sense people...And no I wouldn't consider "leaving". It's like leaving a message board: you can't just leave. It's the internet not some workplace. And I really wouldn't care if I were the subject of countless vandalsim and personal attacks. And you are being immature about this. Get over it. --RedemptionTalk
- Ugluk, stay out of this if you think I'm being immature. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- and i thought my 11 year old brother was immature ... Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 15:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, Ugluk. Kuralyov has done many inappropriate things in the past, and now Redemption is being very rude to me. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
