Forum:TC:Wampa cave (second nomination)

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Restore, but voter participation is insufficient to overturn the prior TC. 1358 (Talk) 14:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Wampa cave (history - links - logs - delete - protect)

This Trash Compactor (TC) is to restore Wampa cave as an article after its previous deletion via TC here

The argument to delete made by the proposer is essentially that the cave was a temporary domicile that was only notable because of its OOU recognition and deleted by a 16-3 vote.

Regarding the argument to delete, there doesn't seem to be supporting evidence that THIS PARTICULAR cave was temporary, which seems to have been an assumption made—while the article did not indicate it was a permanent residence, it likewise did not indicate it was a temporary shelter. It's IU notability as the location where Luke was dragged by a male wampa before he battled and escaped the female wampa One-Arm, indicating the cave was inhabited by at least those two wampas, was also ignored.

Imperators has graciously advised that prior to deletion, the only appearances/sources noted were:

However, I noticed the Wizards of the Coast The Empire Strikes Back (TCG) card "Wampa Cave" which gives an ID, as generic as it may be. The card may be viewed here

Given the fact that it is ID'd separately in the card game, it's IU notability and it's temporary nature being ambiguous at best, I think that it deserves it's own article. This is contrary to my previous vote which I believe to have been a "follow the leader" type vote.

Restore

  1. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 11:40, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
  2. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 12:17, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
  3. A. I think saying it's a temporary domicile is a weak argument and actually not supported by TESB. The male wampa dragged Luke to this cave, where the female wampa already was present. That doesn't speak to temporary dwelling, but a permanent den. B. Luke had to calm himself before using the Force to call his lightsaber to his hand and then used said lightsaber to free himself from captivity and defended himself against attack from a semi-sentient creature. That is not an insignificant event in Luke's life. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 00:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  4. Seems like enough information to warrant an article. SorcererSupreme21 (talk) 09:37, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  5. Imperators II(Talk) 11:18, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  6. Willing to give this one the benefit of the doubt. OOM 224 11:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  7. Important movie location. Corellian PremierRogue SquadronMTFBWY 13:05, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
  8. Lewisr (talk) 00:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
  9. NanoLuukeCloning facility 12:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
  10. DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:14, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
  11. Rakhsh (talk) 18:03, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep as deleted

  1. I don't really think that it deserves to be restored. Just like how an individual article isn't made for every hallway in the Death Star seen on-screen in Episode IV, it doesn't make sense to make an article for every single tiny, trivial location in Star Wars that doesn't have an actual name. Unless it has an actual name, or is important enough to be included as Unidentified _________, such as the various unidentified planets or moons, I don't think it should be an article.Jarhead002 (talk) 20:22, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
    • Yes, the card names it as "wampa cave". We also have lots of articles on random rooms, which is probably closer in comparison to this. what nakes it important is of course subjective, but this is the place luke wouldve died had he not made use of the force, untrained for the most part at this stage. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Comments

  • If a distinctive subject has a name, it gets an article. While "Wampa Cave" is a descriptor of the location, it's a significant place in-universe, so I'm happy with restoring the article. One issue here though: since the card is one of those sources that capitalise all initials, it should be titled "wampa cave," as Imp said on Discord. but I'm confused as to whether this TC is intending to have it as "wampa cave" or "Wampa Cave." OOM 224 12:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
    • My understanding is that our article names always capitalise the first word, however the article prose would note it as "wampa cave", uncapitalised. Is that correct or am I missing something? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
      • The "W" in "wampa" would have to be capitalised in the title like the wampa article, sure, but what I mean to say here is that if we're wanting to restore the wampa cave article, then shouldn't the TC be at Forum:TC:Wampa cave (second nomination), with the "c" not capitalised? OOM 224 13:24, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
        • Ah yes gotcha, error on my part Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)