This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete orphaned and empty year pages, keep others (or remake them with the information from articles linking to them).—Silly Dan (talk) 03:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Contents
Unused years
All years with no information on them (other than empty sub-headings) and no links (outside of other years, per template). In order:
- 90,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 80,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 70,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 60,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 45,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 34,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 33,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 32,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 31,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 24,100 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 23,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 21,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 16,000 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 5,008 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 5,006 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 5006 BBY)
- 5,005 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 5005 BBY)
- 5,004 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 5004 BBY)
- 5,003 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 5003 BBY)
- 5,001 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 5001 BBY)
- 4,988 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,026 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,025 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,023 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,022 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,016 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,011 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,008 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,007 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,006 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 4,004 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 4004 BBY)
- 3,992 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 3,991 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3991 BBY)
- 3,989 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3989 BBY)
- 3,987 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3987 BBY)
- 3,985 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3985 BBY)
- 3,984 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3984 BBY)
- 3,982 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3982 BBY)
- 3,981 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3981 BBY)
- 3,979 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3979 BBY)
- 3,978 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3978 BBY)
- 3,977 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3977 BBY)
- 3,973 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3973 BBY)
- 3,972 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3972 BBY)
- 3,971 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3971 BBY)
- 3,969 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3968 BBY, yes 3968)
- 3,967 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3967 BBY)
- 3,949 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3949 BBY)
- 3,948 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 3948 BBY)
- 3,070 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 3,020 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 2,021 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 1,050 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 1,025 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 1,015 BBY (history - links - logs) (& redirect 1015 BBY)
- 925 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 777 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 776 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 630 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 619 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 618 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 617 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 616 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 615 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 614 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 613 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 611 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 609 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 608 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 607 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 606 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 605 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 604 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 603 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 602 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 601 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 599 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 598 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 597 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 494 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 493 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 492 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 489 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 488 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 487 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 399 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 398 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 397 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 396 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 394 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 393 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 391 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 390 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 389 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 388 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 387 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 386 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 385 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 384 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 383 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 382 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 381 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 379 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 377 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 376 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 375 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 374 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 373 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 372 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 371 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 370 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 369 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 368 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 367 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 366 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 365 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 364 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 363 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 362 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 361 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 359 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 358 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 357 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 356 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 355 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 354 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 353 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 352 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 351 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 349 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 159 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 158 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 156 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 153 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 152 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 151 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 149 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 148 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 146 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 144 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 143 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 141 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 139 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 138 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 136 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 135 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 134 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 133 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 127 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 126 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 123 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 116 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 115 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 114 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 113 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 111 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 109 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 108 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 107 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 106 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 103 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 101 BBY (history - links - logs)
- 31 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 32 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 42 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 43 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 44 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 45 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 46 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 47 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 48 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 49 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 50 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 51 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 52 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 53 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 54 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 55 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 56 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 57 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 58 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 59 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 60 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 62 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 63 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 64 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 65 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 66 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 67 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 69 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 70 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 71 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 72 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 73 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 74 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 75 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 76 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 77 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 78 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 79 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 80 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 82 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 83 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 84 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 85 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 86 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 87 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 88 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 89 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 93 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 94 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 95 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 96 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 98 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 99 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 100 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 101 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 102 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 103 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 105 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 106 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 107 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 108 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 109 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 110 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 111 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 112 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 113 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 114 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 115 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 118 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 119 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 120 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 121 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 122 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 124 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 125 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 126 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 129 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 131 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 132 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 133 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 134 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 135 ABY (history - links - logs)
- 136 ABY (history - links - logs)
Also of note, the following pages have non-year links to them, but their information has been removed or not placed in:
- 200,000 BBY (history - links - logs) (has many pages linking to it)
- 19,000 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Sith linking to it)
- 11,708 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a few pages linking to it)
- 4,010 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a couple pages linking to it)
- 3,990 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Ada's holocron linking to it)
- 3,983 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Atton Rand linking to it)
- 3,980 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Atton Rand linking to it)
- 3,975 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Old Republic military uniforms linking to it)
- 3,962 BBY (history - links - logs) (has many pages linking to it)
- 3,954 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a couple pages linking to it)
- 3,953 BBY (history - links - logs) (has many pages linking to it)
- 3,100 BBY (history - links - logs) (has many pages linking to it)
- 2,021 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a few pages linking to it)
- 1,013 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a few pages linking to it)
- 830 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a couple pages linking to it)
- 612 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Quadrant Seven linking to it)
- 320 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Timeline of galactic history linking to it)
- 169 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Barosa Warren linking to it)
- 162 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a few pages linking to it)
- 137 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Fist linking to it)
- 131 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Jorus C'baoth linking to it)
- 122 BBY (history - links - logs) (has a couple pages linking to it)
- 117 BBY (history - links - logs) (has Ugloste linking to it)
- 41 ABY (history - links - logs) (has Galactic Federation of Free Alliances linking to it)
- 92 ABY (history - links - logs) (has Tanquilla Beach linking to it)
- 117 ABY (history - links - logs) (has a couple pages linking to it)
- 123 ABY (history - links - logs) (has Borgo Prime linking to it)
These "empty years" are:
- Not necessary with the template. Many of them seem to have been created simply to get rid of redlinks, but changing the bottom years template would fix this issue.
- Slightly "annoying." Clicking on page after page, and finding no information can get tiresome.
- Not indicative of the length of the Chronology. It almost seems like that there's more empty years than years with any information (not true, but it's a good percentage).
- A little bit "encouraging" to new users to up their edit count by making a few of these. Which is probably not a good thing.
Now, obviously these years "existed" in-universe, and undoubtedly something happened with the Sith, or Rakata, or Kol Skywalker or whom/whatever during the empty years. The major argument in keeping them in the past seems to be that "they'll be filled in later." While a good majority of them (and perhaps all) will be expanded upon in the decades to come, there's no need to have an empty page, and we can always recreate, and add to, the page in the future (and even recreate the history if necessary).
Another major support is the fact that they "don't hurt anything" and "Wookieepedia isn't Flimsiplast." The above points, I believe, should indicate that they can, and are, "harmful" to the site.--Tim Thomason 02:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Arguments for keeping
- jSarek, shouldn't your vote be under arguments for deleting, or did I understand what you wrote above? And I say keep any that have any links to them from a page, but the ones listed in the first section above with only other years linking to them... wipe them out. So this is a sorta keep, sorta delete vote. Wildyoda 22:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it should have been, thanks for pointing out my error. jSarek 22:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Wildyoda, I'm sorry I didn't intend to suggest those should be deleted. They were listed as "also of note" and should be expanded/relisted since they currently (for whatever reason) don't have information on them.--Tim Thomason 18:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Arguments for deleting
- I think Mr. Thomason has covered all of the main points quite effectively. These empty years are aggrevating, not helpful. jSarek 06:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. Delete the completely useless years that have nothing linked to them, Keep and Expand those with links. Jorrel
Fraajic 13:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC) - You may fire when ready. Carlitos Moff 18:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Deleting these pages would be a good thing. --Imperialles 23:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, though a "gap page" could possibly be created for the purposes of browsing. Master Aban Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 00:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete.—Darthtyler
Talk 00:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC) - Please. Thefourdotelipsis 07:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Lord Hydronium 07:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Don't need 'em. -- Ozzel 07:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- I've always hated empty or near empty years. But the ones that are linked to should be filled in with whatever the data is that warrants the link. The ones with nothing and no links to them should be deleted. Vagrant Lustoid 11:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete only those pages with no links to them. Furthermore this problem is created largely due to an outdated template that I placed on the pages long ago. Well we need an upgraded template that will allow for more pages to be skipped to rather than just the nearest three, as well as allow us to use with ease when creating a new year page that will be deleted but might be recreated. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Get rid of em. - JMAS 23:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- Per Riff. Unit 8311 19:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- With extreme prejudice. Kill. Atarumaster88
(Talk page) 22:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete only those pages with no links to them. —Xwing328(Talk) 01:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Arguments for merging
Comments
Shouldn't this discussion be in a CT Forum to make certain that it's voted upon? Master Aban Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 00:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps that is wise. I would suggest copying and pasting all current votes into the CT and allow others to add on. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)